RMT: Bulky Salamence and Rhyperior

blasphemy1

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Salamence @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Nature: Jolly (+Spd, -Sp Atk)
EV: 224 HP / 12 Atk / 196 Def / 76 Spd
-Roost
-Dragon Dance
-Earthquake
-Dragon Claw

The core of this team. Aldaron's set. Basically, this switches into choiced Heracross(and other fighters) and massacres them. There is enough speed to beat max speed Adamant ones(Heracross). Obviously, this can sweep, but this team is mainly using it for physical pokes, which is why Roost is so useful and why I am using this over Gyarados.

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Lucario @ Choice Specs
Ability: Steadfast
Nature: Modest (+Sp Atk, -Atk)
EV: 4 Def / 252 Spd / 252 Sp Atk
-Vacuum Wave
-HP Ice
-Shadow Ball
-Aura Sphere

I love smashing SkarmBliss to pieces with something that isn't a mixed sweeper. It is soo appealing. When their fighting resist is gone, this raises hell with Aura Sphere. Vacuum Wave can pick off opponents late game and even helps revenge kill Weavile and Tyranitar.

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Milotic @ Leftovers
Ability: Marvel Scale
Nature: Calm (+Sp Def, -Atk)
EV: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Sp Def
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Ice Beam
-Surf

Absorbs status for the team. This was originally Suicune, but Marvel Scale is such a nice trait to have when you have a 125 base special defense. Sure, Suicune has Pressure and overall higher defenses when not asleep, but I like this more and it is used less. Almost equal defenses here when Marvel Scale is activated.

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Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
Nature: Bold (+Def, -Atk)
EV: 252 HP / 224 Def / 32 Spd
-Recover
-Leech Seed
-HP Ice
-Grass Knot

Gyarados counter and the second best switch into physical dragons on this team. Provides Leech Seed support and completely massacres Blissey, even tho the rest of the team can too.

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Blissey @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
Nature: Calm (+Sp Def, -Atk)
EV: 252 Def / 56 Sp Atk / 200 Sp Def
-Thunder Wave
-Flamethrower
-Softboiled
-Seismic Toss

Special wall. Yes, people can bitch all they want about Blissey, but it is the best special wall there is. Flamethrower hurts incoming steels, Heracross and Weavile, who love switching into this. Seismic Toss is better IMO than Ice Beam for SpecsMence anyways, since they usually switch to something like Heracross or Lucario, where Seismic Toss does more.

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Rhyperior @ Choice Band
Ability: Solid Rock
Nature: Impish (+Def, -Sp Atk)
EV: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
-Ice Fang
-Fire Punch
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake

This thing is awesome. It plays much like CB Tyranitar with a Careful nature and special defense EVs, but on the physical side. Takes hits well and dishes them out nicely. Edgequake does a shitload to most things, but Ice Fang hurts Garchomp more, while Fire Punch beats Bronzong and Skarmory. 474 Attack, 394 Defense, 434 HP and Solid Rock is fucking awesome.



Obviously I have a fighting weak, with only 2 resists and 3 weak, but I can usually outpredict, and the most threatening fighter to this team is Heracross. Speaking of Heracross, Salamence easily switches in, and it can take a Stone Edge, then just switch to Rhyperior to do massive damage and resist it. Other than that, it would seem like there is no weakness, but mixed sweepers give me hell. Being Calm however, Milotic destroys Infernape even if it has Nasty Plotted so don't run in here and say you have a Mix Infernape weak! HP Grass / Ice Punch / Cross Chop / Thunderbolt Electivire is a bit annoying, tho Celebi can usually just Leech Seed it and Recover off the damage. Bulky Mence fills in soo many holes it leads me thinking this team is the best defensively I have made in a while.
 
I see a team so MixApe weak it's not even funny. I'd replace Rhyperior, because it can't switch in to much with it's typing, doesn't seem to be doing much, and is easily walled by decent prediction.
 
1.) Either you are really stupid and don't read full RMTs to see that I said this team isn't Mix Infernape weak due to Milotic taking unboosted Grass Knots easily, while even if they have Nasty Plot she can take them due to Calm nature and max special defense. Salamence beats those versions without HP Ice easily anyways, meaning Milotic doesn't have to take a lot of damage.

2.) You can't judge Rhyperior because you haven't played with him on this team, and you probably don't play choice pokes the same way I do. I am not saying I am better, just saying that you may not know how to use it.

3.) With STAB Edqequake, Rhyperior already hits atleast everything for neutral except Bronzong, maybe another that I don't remember. Well, Fire Punch nails that. Ice Fang adds further type coverage, so I don't see how it could be easy to wall, unless of course, the user is shit.

4.) Without Rhyperior, this team gets absolutely raped by Weavile and Tyranitar. Rhyperior can switch into both all day, even if it is weak to EQ. CB TTar's EQ is a 3HKO at best, while I easily OHKO. CB Weavile's Brick Break is barely a 4HKO, again, I can easily ward it off.

5.) Please give better feedback instead of making assumptions about certain things and trying to annoy people by being dumb, make yourself useful or don't post at all.

6.) Oh yeah, finally, Rhyperior has plenty of useful resists to switch into, among them are: Electric, Normal, Fire, Flying and Rock. Choiced pokemon usually carry this types of moves, and this can switch right into them.
 
Wow, LOL, he told me MY team was mixape weak, and I had Salamence and Milotic as well... what a nub.

Anyways, props for using the REAL man's Lucario; Specs. I'm a personal Specslucario user myself, and it's one of my fave pokemon.
 
Yeah he can sweep teams without set up. That is the only set I run because I find Swords Dance Lucario quite overrated. I don't understand how someone like that could tell someone has a Mixape weak without going through calcs because Infernape doesn't have the highest attacking stats.
 
actually most mixapes docarry hp ice despite what the analysis says. milotic is possibly 2hkod by grass knot, definetely with sr
 
Infernape's CC against Milotic - Damage: 55.33% - 64.97% (Even though this was done on Metalkid, it's an assured 2KO with SR down, and I doubt Metalkid would overshoot it so much that SR is needed).

Even Milotic is 2KOed by the flaming ape.
 
MixNape is just dominant over this team I hope you dont see one. I think Starmie fits in here somewhere maybe over Milotic?

Megahorn over Ice Punch on Rhyperior

Really hope you use starmie so I can rerate it without thinking of your massive nape weak.
 
Cerulean21 said:
How on Earth should Mixape OHKO Salamence, which resists its entire Movepool barring HP (Ice) which the majority do not carry?
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Lol really? Hidden Power Ice is used a LOT more than Nasty Plot since Infernape doesn't have the time to set up with its bad defenses and its relatively 'low' speed. Many pokemon can just switch-in when it Nasty Plots and proceeds to kill, thus wasting a perfectly good turn.

Unless you predict well, Infernape will be done with this team in no time at all. Your only chance against it is prediction and/or revenge kill with Lucario with Vacuum wave once Infernape does a couple of Close Combats.

Perhapes Gyarados over your Salamence? While Gyarados is only a semi-solid counter to Infernape, it does it a lot better than Salamence. Perhaps with the lack of Roost, you can use the Rest Talk set that Gorm uses.

Rhyperior is also better a Rock Polisher or a Swords Dancer simply because it doesn't get walled as easy and allows Rhyperior to sweep more easily too.
 
lol azntrumpet's not a noob. i'm sure he's on the top 50's on shoddy. i haven't looked at this team as closely as i should but i think the lack of speed will be the death of you. i would like to see either some wish support on this bulky team or more paralysis. slap t-wave on celebi perhaps for HP ice.
 
A much bigger problem to this team is a fully special Nasty Plot Infernape...
With a Modest Nature, +2 Focus Blast OHKO's Blissey, Milotic and Rhyperior. Hidden Power [Ice] destroys Salamence and Fire Blast owns the other two members of your team. Also a little Tyranitar weak. I know that Rhyperior can counter it, but it can only switch in safely once, as you said, after that, Choice Band Tyranitar massacres you. I know that Lucario beats it, but prediction could send your Lucario down. I'm also seeing a Swords Dance Outrage Garchomp weakness as it one or two shots (if that for Rhyperior) your whole team after a boost and nothing outspeeds it.
 
Thank you animegai, although I think i may have dropped out of the top 50 and will certainly drop out in the following week because I'm leaving.

Like previously stated, most MixApes now carry HP Ice to take out Garchomp and Salamence and because getting a Nasty Plot is difficult. It's not really a good thing when your best switch-in gets 2HKO'd by 2/4 moves, is it?

I really don't see how Rhyperior can constantly switch in with no recovery or Wish support. Besides CB Weavile does 48.85% - 57.60% with Ice Punch.
 
Prediction beats these things. Sure, LO Infernape can take out a lot of this team, but the majority of the time I completely outpredict them, leading to their own demise by the way of LO recoil. I have all the proper resists for this to work, I can switch Salamence into everything but HP Ice, while Milotic can switch into anything besides Close Combat. Hell, Blissey can even switch into Infernape and take 3/4 of its attacks. Proper prediction ruins non Nasty Plot Infernapes, but I can see why some people that don't know how I play see a Mix Ape weak.

You do understand that even legendary teams like Obi's stall team, with Tentacruel, Skarmory, Hippowdon, Celebi, Blissey and I forget the other one, but anyways, it had a huge CB Heracross weakness. People didn't spam CB Heracross weak in his thread, like mine, and I think it is because people have more respect for him than I. I don't care, and I am a good player, maybe not as good as Obi, but I can definitely outpredict the Noobs who use Infernape expecting Mewtwo sweeping like results.

Again, CB Weavile isn't an issue, as I can just switch to Lucario or Milotic, who resist Ice Punch.

Since you are all being situational and saying this OHKOs this with this, and it does this with Stealth Rock, I am inclined to say that when Milotic is asleep she can counter Mix Infernape.

I am considering Resttalk Gyarados>Salamence and I am also thinking about a Scarfer to make up for the lack of speed. Resttalk Gyarados has overall better defenses than Mence, plus it can take a burn without a problem. I actually don't think I am going to use the standard Impish Gyara, so I will probably make one myself. We will see and thanks for all the advice so far.
 
yeah by that logic i guess a team with blissey heatran and celebi isnt heracross weak right

dude you dont even have sand going. you're not going to outpredict 11 consecutive times lol
 
This team is definitely Infernape weak, but he/she could be able to beat it by letting his Milotic die to 2 Close Combats. This will reduce Infernape to 80% health, plus two defense drops puts it at a pathetic 71 special defense, assuming the standard Naive nature. This allows Lucario, who can "revenge" kill, to switch in and do 122% minimum with Vacuum Wave, which has higher priority than any other of Infernape's moves. In fact, Vacuum Wave does 75% minimum after only a single defense drop, meaning Infernape will only get one more turn to live.

This team definitely appears Infernape weak, but you must consider even the most extreme ways of beating it to find out if it is or not. IMO, this team isn't even that weak, besides people who play the-fire beats grass so my Magmortar beats your 4x weak Parasect game.
 
most smart palyers are aware that luke carries a prioroty move regardless of the set and will switch out .-.

people who play the-fire beats grass so my Magmortar beats your 4x weak Parasect game
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uh what
 
blackflag4ever said:
This team is definitely Infernape weak, but he/she could be able to beat it by letting his Milotic die to 2 Close Combats. This will reduce Infernape to 80% health, plus two defense drops puts it at a pathetic 71 special defense, assuming the standard Naive nature. This allows Lucario, who can "revenge" kill, to switch in and do 122% minimum with Vacuum Wave, which has higher priority than any other of Infernape's moves. In fact, Vacuum Wave does 75% minimum after only a single defense drop, meaning Infernape will only get one more turn to live.

This team definitely appears Infernape weak, but you must consider even the most extreme ways of beating it to find out if it is or not. IMO, this team isn't even that weak, besides people who play the-fire beats grass so my Magmortar beats your 4x weak Parasect game.
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Haha what? Also MixNape can also carry Mach Punch. Anyway it is not like nape is going to be their only pokemon. They have 5 more to use. So simple switching and then bringing in nape to sweep again will do it. And hahaha at the parasect quote, I have no idea what you are talking about but...
 
Yes they will have 5 more pokemon, and when he revenge kills with Lucario he will still have 5, so what was the premise of your last statement, just dumb.

Lol, okay, Mixed Infernape can carry Mach Punch, now Blasphemy doesn't have to worry about Close Combats and he can freely switch in Milotic, who easily takes Grass Knots from unboosted pokes with relatively low special attack w/out Nasty Plot.

KinglerDude, you just ruined their whole point by saying it can have Mach Punch. You are basically saying that if Infernape has Nasty Plot, Close Combat, Mach Punch, Grass Knot, Flamethrower and HP Ice, then it could beat this team. The problem is, pokes can only have 4 moves and you are expecting Blasphemy to cover every single set.

BTW, most teams nowadays are weak to Metagross with Ice Punch, Meteor Mash, Earthquake, Pursuit, ThunderPunch, Grass Knot, Psychic and Explosion. Does that mean we should all try to counter a poke that isn't even possible????

When I say people are playing the "Magmortar beats Parasect game" I am referring to the fucking noobs who run into an RMT and automatically say Infernape weak , even tho they don't do shit for calcs, with the exception of azntrumpet.

Finally, Gormenghast, you probably think your hot shit since you have been here for soo long or atleast posted a lot, but you are wrong when you say people will switch out. I don't think you have much experience, most people on Shoddy Battle are pretty much garbage, with the exception of the Elite few 200 people-I admit I am not because I don't play anymore. Nobody is going to switch out their Infernape thinking a base 40 power priority attack that he isn't weak to is going to OHKO their Infernape. It is sheer surprise, and I could understand Salamence switching out from Mamoswine, but not Infernape from Lucario.

It seems like you guys are trying to argue this team has a huge Mix Infernape weak yet you are telling him nothing, besides getting a Gyarados, who the advice giver already stated is a shaky counter.
 
blasphemy1 said:
Prediction beats these things. Sure, LO Infernape can take out a lot of this team, but the majority of the time I completely outpredict them, leading to their own demise by the way of LO recoil. I have all the proper resists for this to work, I can switch Salamence into everything but HP Ice, while Milotic can switch into anything besides Close Combat. Hell, Blissey can even switch into Infernape and take 3/4 of its attacks. Proper prediction ruins non Nasty Plot Infernapes, but I can see why some people that don't know how I play see a Mix Ape weak.

Okay, what happens if you're up against a player with great prediction (say MOP). Most likely, he is going to outpredict you. That trick takes 10 turns to take down ape (Assuming you have a full team and SR isn't in play, as that would destroy Mence) and intelligent players would begin to predict your frantic switching in, preparing an appropriate attack. You just can't rely on prediction

You do understand that even legendary teams like Obi's stall team, with Tentacruel, Skarmory, Hippowdon, Celebi, Blissey and I forget the other one, but anyways, it had a huge CB Heracross weakness. People didn't spam CB Heracross weak in his thread, like mine, and I think it is because people have more respect for him than I. I don't care, and I am a good player, maybe not as good as Obi, but I can definitely outpredict the Noobs who use Infernape expecting Mewtwo sweeping like results.

An average player can outpredict noobs? Your point?

Again, CB Weavile isn't an issue, as I can just switch to Lucario or Milotic, who resist Ice Punch.

Or he could just predict that and BB but whatever

Since you are all being situational and saying this OHKOs this with this, and it does this with Stealth Rock, I am inclined to say that when Milotic is asleep she can counter Mix Infernape.

I only mentioned Sr because I was unsure of how much Metalkid overshoots. But it is most likely MixApe 2Kos Milotic.

I am considering Resttalk Gyarados>Salamence and I am also thinking about a Scarfer to make up for the lack of speed. Resttalk Gyarados has overall better defenses than Mence, plus it can take a burn without a problem. I actually don't think I am going to use the standard Impish Gyara, so I will probably make one myself. We will see and thanks for all the advice so far.
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Also a well played Mamowine could cause some problems aswell. Not sure on what to do about that though.
 
i happen to be in the top 20 on the shoddy ladder. don't talk to me like i dont have much experience.

anyone who doesnt switch a nape that just cced out of a lue switchin is a retard since the most common set is LO extremespeed. saying people are stupid in general is maybe the worst argument i've ever heard.
 
blackflag4ever said:
Yes they will have 5 more pokemon, and when he revenge kills with Lucario he will still have 5, so what was the premise of your last statement, just dumb.

Are you this retarded? They will switch out to another pokemon to keep infernape alive when they nape sees lucario.

Lol, okay, Mixed Infernape can carry Mach Punch, now Blasphemy doesn't have to worry about Close Combats and he can freely switch in Milotic, who easily takes Grass Knots from unboosted pokes with relatively low special attack w/out Nasty Plot.

I was pointing that out since you seem to think lucario would be the ultimate counter. Most do not carry it but it is just somethign to think about since nape is so versatile

KinglerDude, you just ruined their whole point by saying it can have Mach Punch. You are basically saying that if Infernape has Nasty Plot, Close Combat, Mach Punch, Grass Knot, Flamethrower and HP Ice, then it could beat this team. The problem is, pokes can only have 4 moves and you are expecting Blasphemy to cover every single set.

Again I was just saying that if you bring in Lucario to revenge kill early and do not know it's entire moveset it could suprise you with mach punch and that could screw you up.

BTW, most teams nowadays are weak to Metagross with Ice Punch, Meteor Mash, Earthquake, Pursuit, ThunderPunch, Grass Knot, Psychic and Explosion. Does that mean we should all try to counter a poke that isn't even possible????

Well I should now just disregard every statement you make

When I say people are playing the "Magmortar beats Parasect game" I am referring to the fucking noobs who run into an RMT and automatically say Infernape weak , even tho they don't do shit for calcs, with the exception of azntrumpet.

Yes I am a fuckin noob who has never played before even though he was ranked in the top 15 of shoddy for a while. And by the way I think anyone can see how Nape destroys this team without doing calcs. And the magmorter/Parasect again confuses me and tells me you have no idea what you are talking about.

Finally, Gormenghast, you probably think your hot shit since you have been here for soo long or atleast posted a lot, but you are wrong when you say people will switch out. I don't think you have much experience, most people on Shoddy Battle are pretty much garbage, with the exception of the Elite few 200 people-I admit I am not because I don't play anymore. Nobody is going to switch out their Infernape thinking a base 40 power priority attack that he isn't weak to is going to OHKO their Infernape. It is sheer surprise, and I could understand Salamence switching out from Mamoswine, but not Infernape from Lucario.

Never insult gorm. Gorm is ranked in the top 20 of shoddy now not some trash player. he is a respected vet and is one of the best team raters and constructers around. Why would a Nape with -2 Def and SpD saty in a lucario that is guarenteed to have a priority move

It seems like you guys are trying to argue this team has a huge Mix Infernape weak yet you are telling him nothing, besides getting a Gyarados, who the advice giver already stated is a shaky counter.

Which is why we suggest gyarados >.>
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I think it is clear you have no idea what you are talking about so we will now just ignore every statement you say from here on out.
 
Well the only way to prevent Mamoswine from ripping this team up is adding Cresselia or Bronzong. Bronzong could help your Weavile weak too and set up Stealth Rock.

Weavile doesn't beat Milotic with Brick Break, plus after that he can switch to Mence to set up a possible sweep.

Oh yeah, and I wonder why there are soo few people here. People like you who think your hot shit because your in top 15 of pokemon talk trash to people like me who "don't know what we are talking about."

BTW, I wasn't trying to be disrespectful to you Gormenghast, I was just pointing out that even the best of players can't get everything right.

I am sorry, I will just give you all the respect in the world and I will never criticize anyone in the top 20 anymore because I don't play that much. Get off your pedastool, its a damn game!
 
blackflag4ever said:
Well the only way to prevent Mamoswine from ripping this team up is adding Cresselia or Bronzong. Bronzong could help your Weavile weak too and set up Stealth Rock.

Weavile doesn't beat Milotic with Brick Break, plus after that he can switch to Mence to set up a possible sweep.

Oh yeah, and I wonder why there are soo few people here. People like you who think your hot shit because your in top 15 of pokemon talk trash to people like me who "don't know what we are talking about."

BTW, I wasn't trying to be disrespectful to you Gormenghast, I was just pointing out that even the best of players can't get everything right.

I am sorry, I will just give you all the respect in the world and I will never criticize anyone in the top 20 anymore because I don't play that much. Get off your pedastool, its a damn game!
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CB BB (as will Night Slash) will leave a mark, esp with No def evs. And if we're playing the prediction game, he could also switch to something that can take mence on.
 
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