[RMT]DDTtar and friends

[RMT]DDTtar and friends

This is a team, which i've built 2 month ago. I used it in the ladder and on some tournaments, and now i want to get it rated.
At first i want to say sry for some Englishmistaces, it's only on a schoollevel.


I wanted to build a team around DDTtar. So i made up my mind about his counters. At first i noticed scizor is really not nice against Ttar, because Bulletpunch is doing a nice damage, and Tyranitar is, whithout Firepunch, not able to do an OHKO.
Also Scarmory is not really nice.
So i decided to take a Magnezone into my team.
At first the scarfone came to my mind. Later i decided to take a SubMaggy with HP[Plant] to deal better with Swampert.
The SubMaggy is also nice, because i can choice my attacks bette (lol, this should be clear), an my Maggy becomes more flexible.
Ok, nice. I've a team with Maggy and DDTtar now.

Next guy, who isn't nice to Ttar is Gliscor.
So i decided to take a Vaporeon in my team. Of course Vappy isn't really perfect to deal with Gliscor, but it's an opinion. Only Toxic isn't nice.
Also Vappy can give to me an nice Wishsupport, and it can deal with Infernape and Gyarados.
So Vaporeon got a place in my team.

After that, i decided to search for a sweeping partner, and i rembered for this nice team "Dark Passenger". In this team Gengar is Salamence's Sweepingpartner.
Gengar is nice, so i took it. Only the question how to play it is there.
At first i decided to play a Substitude on Gengar, because this is a good thread against Tyrantitar.
Then of course i took Shadowball for STAB.
And the last places i let free, because i wanted to think later about it. More at Gengars Set.

Great. The team is getting together now.
I noticed, that the team has big Problems with Lucario, and also a littlebit with stall.
Ttar can outspeed Lucario after one or two DDs but i can't bring anything save into him.
Great answer to Stall and Lucario is, of course, Gliscor.
I decide, that i want to use a Maxspeed stallbreaker Gliscor. Really nice.

Ok, the last thing, i needed was a lead.
Sr should be there everytime, and it should also have something against Salamence (It was OU at this time, now it's supect :D).
Scarfjira came to my mind, because i used it often before, and it was always good against Mence (Speedtie :S).

This is my team now:
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Well, we're coming to the Set and there dicription now...


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Collapse (Bronzong) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/86 Atk/80 Def/92 SDef
Sassynature (+SDef, -Spe)
- Stealth Rock
- Gyro Ball
- Eartquake
- Explosion

Function
coming soon

Set
coming soon

Problems

coming soon


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Savior (Gengar) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Energy Ball
- Shadow Ball
- Substitute

Function

Gengar is Tyranitars sweepingpartner. He fixs some problems in this team, and if Gengar can setup a substitude it's dangerous.
It can take Earthquakes from Gliscor and Swampert, and OHKO them with these surprising Moveset.
Shadowball gives a great STAB and can beat Latias or some other guys in the Metagame.
With HP[Ice] Gengar can revenge Salamence, if Mence has no DD.
This Gengar loses the game against Tyranitar, to deal with it, i use substitude.
Gengar also elicit Scizor, and make him do BulletPunch or Pursuit. This likes Maggy really much ;D

Set
The most will be surprised about the set, and some people won't like it, but i need this. If there is another solution i really want to test it.
Energyball ist against Swampert, which would otherwise make big problems. HP[Ice] is against Gliscor and Salamence.

Problems
Gengar has big problems with Tyranitar (especialy with Pursuit). I don't use Focus Blast, and this is dangerous.
To deal with Ttar i use Sub at first, and if it comes in i can switch without danger to get pursuited. Often i switch to jirachi or Gliscor to deal with Ttar.


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Ready to fall (Vaporeon) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Wish
- Protect
- Surf

Function
Vappy is really important for this team. At first it is my Wishsupport. Especially Ttar and Gengar need some Wishes, when the had to leave the field after the setup.
Vappy can also Stall out very much in the Metagame, and it is going great together with Gliscor.
Vaporeon is also my answer to Gyarados an Infernape. Both are really dangerous for my team, and would sweep otherwise.

Set
This is a really standart Vaporeon Set.
Wish+Protect is really annoying, and Surf and [Ele] are important to have something against the threads, which were addressed at "Function".

Problems
Toxic is a problem, this goes to Gengar, Jirachi or Magnezone.
Also Rotom isn't nice. I can switch to Gliscor an taunt him or, i can go to Gengar and set up a sub while rotom switchs out.


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Audience of One (Gliscor) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Roost
- Taunt
- Toxic
- Earthquake

Function
Gliscor is also important. It can take Lucario and Rotom, and is really usefull, because it's one of my main switchins (sometimes also if i don't know what to do xP).
Whith Taunt it can prevent some guys from boosting or set up entry hazards. Toxic ist really great, if i don't know what the opponent will switch in, so i can often poison swampert, Latias or Vaporeon.
Glicor is also my answer to stall, which can be really bad to me otherwise.

Set
The Set is standart, but it's great. MaxSpeed let me outspeed some important guys in the Metagame, also other Glicors if they aren't maxspeed.
I need Taunt really often, to prevent some guys from doing something i don't like.

Problems
Problems are Status, which is annoying on him. I have to be really carefull, when i want to switch Gliscor in othe Gliscors or Rotom. Toxin can go to Gengar, Burn to nobody (:S).
Annoying IceMoves can go to the most members in the team.



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Give it All (Magnezone) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 156 Atk/100 Spd/252 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Flash Cannon
- Thunderbolt
- Explosion

Function
coming soon

Set
coming soon

Problems

coming soon


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Hero of War (Tyranitar) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Earthquake

Function
Tyranitar is the Star of the Team. If his Counters are away, i can sweep.
The Set up is easy, because Tyranitar has some nice resistances and i can bring it into so many things.
After one DD it's dangerous, after 2 it's "GG" at the most times (only if there is no Swampert or Gliscor).

Set
It's Standart.
Only the Item is not clear. At first i had the anti SteelBerry, but then i went to Life Orb. Now i think Leftovers is the best.
What's your meaning?

Problems

No Problem if the other members did good Job.


Of course this team has Problems, but i want to fix them. I need your Help ;D

Now rate pls!
 
The main thing I would recommend is that you lose the Choice Scarf on Jirachi. The way you play it, it sounds like it uses Stealth Rock on the first turn, which means you have to switch out the next. If you use it, I recommend using Trick first then Stealth Rock while they switch or attack or something like that.
 
3 Pokemon weak to Ground? Let's fix that, shall we. TrickLead Jirachi is easily predicted now. I would replace it with Swampert.

Swampert @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP | 252 Defense | 4 Attack/4 Special Attack
Relaxed Nature
Moves:
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake/Waterfall
- Ice Beam
- Roar/Protect

I will edit and explain later, busy now. Good luck with your team.
 
This is a great team and I really like it. The main problem ive found with it is a weakness to salamence and crocune. If jirachi gets trapped, dd mence and crocune will easily sweep the rest of the team. Magnezone + dragon teams will easily beat this team. Ive been thinking bronzong might be a good replacement in the lead slot, the standard wall set-

Bronzong @ Leftovers/Lum Berry
Ability- Levitate
Nature- Sassy
EVs- 252 HP, 86 atk, 80 def, 92 spD
-Stealth Rock
-Gyro Ball
-Earthquake
-Explosion

Bronzong fits extremely well in your team for a lot of reasons- it can sponge the powerful hits of salamence and is not frightened of magnezone thanks to earthquake. It can also leave a massive dent in crocune, but i would personally recommend running specs magnezone to deal with it because explosion is pretty risky. Anyway, most teams these days will not be prepared for a lead bronzong, he can deal with the fast taunt leads like aerodactyl and azelf with gyro ball and set up stealth rock comfortably on most other leads. Vaporeon's wish really helps it out in case of a fire blast from azelf, explosion from metagross etc. and keeping it healthy throughout the match.


For vaporeon, a better ev spread would be 252 HP, 252 def, 4 spD. Vaporeon really needs max defense with the stuff it will need to switch into, like infernape and gyarados. Heres a couple calcs that show the difference-

Physical mixape close combat v. bold 252 hp/252 def- 46.1-54.5%
Physical mixape close combat v. bold 252 hp/176 def- 50.4-59.5%

The extra defense makes it possible for vaporeon to survive two close combats if it needs to and also lets it take on physical attackers it needs to a lot easier. The standard set runs 68 speed evs, but they are for choice band metagross, skarmory, and rhyperior. Metagross can be handled easily enough by zong or maggy if it gets stuck on anything but earthquake, skarmory is obviously taken care of by maggy and rhyperior is uncommon and can be revenged by gengar or maggy.

I would also recommend running choice specs on magnezone-

Magnezone @ Choice Specs
Ability- Magnet Pull (lol)
Nature- Modest
156 HP, 252 spA, 100 spe
-Thunderbolt
-Flash Cannon
-HP Grass
-Explosion

Ive had huge problems myself with crocune and this was my own fix last time. After a calm mind, your maggy cant knock off more than half its health with t-bolt of explosion. This maggy will do 75.7-89.1% to it with a t-bolt after a calm mind, even more than zong can do with explosion. It also ohkos scizor after sr damage. Flash Cannon is mainly for taking out ttar, and really wont do much otherwise but i cant think of anything to replace it with. I actually looked through its movepool and signal beam seems like the only other usable option so i guess flash cannon it is, signal beam will take out celebi but thats it and taking out a scarftar will be a huge help to your own. 100 speed outruns 16 speed skarmory before it sets up more spikes and some lead metagross (you could bump it up a bit if you want because my own metagross lead will still outrun it by a couple points). Explosion is for blissey, and only for blissey.

Again good team overall hope i helped!
 
Thanks for all your rates guys ;D
Ok, i think you all have Problems with the scarfjira lead. I can understand this, and i'll change it of course if the other possibilies are better.
I think they are.
Swampert and Bronzong a good suggestions, and i'll test them both. In the moment i like more this Zongguy, but i have to watch how it works.

Vappy gets another Spread (i asked myself if 252/252 isn't better for Vappy)

Maggy with Specs sounds nice, and nonstandart (i like this).
I watched it again, i have to say the idea is nice.
I'll test it today. And i'll make the changes in the evening

Ok, i mentioned that this works nice.
Ill change in the evining

Thanks for your rate and the praise. ;D
 
Hello there,

Looks like alot of suggestions have been made but I think I could help.

As the others have said, replace your jirachi lead with gliscor seeing that gliscor can reliably set-up rocks bar aerodactyl, azelf and machamps. Replace jirachi with a scarf flygon to help with the ground weakness.

Other than that solid team.
 
Jirachi is Predictable use swampert Then Put stoone egde on gliscor instead of toxic as a constant gliscor user replace toxic it dosent help as much as youd think
 
Gliscor's Toxic is a really imortant Move. I won't replace it.
I'll use Bronzong Lead, it goes nice.

If i let tale the Rocks out by Gliscor i have to replace toxic or taunt, thats not possible.

Ok, I'm ready now.
Rate again pls
 
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