RMT: Team Blitzkrieg (OU)

PChaosWM

After months and months of finding a good team to use competively, I feel like I've gotten as close as I can get to perfection. I really set this team up to be able to use it for official Pokemon tournements (hence, no "legendary" pokemon). In ladders I seem to be winning about as often as I lose, and I'd obviously like to change this.

I present to you, team Blitzkrieg:

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This entire team, with the exception of Metagross, is trained for speed and almost all of them have speed natures. This team is designed to take down teams as fast as possible, hopefully OHKOing everything that stands in its path. I believe my team members work well on their own and contribute to the team.

The main things I want to work on with this team are EV spreads and possible move changes for better type coverage. I believe that the EV spreads are good, but I pretty much threw them together and prayed they would work. And as far as my moves are concerned, I sometimes feel like I have poor type coverage, and whatever changes I make seem to only make things worse.

Here is my team in detail:


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ARCLITE (Metagross) @ Occa Berry
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/6 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Bullet Punch

This is my leader and my stealth rocker. He is only slightly modified from the cookie cutter Leadgross. He seems to work well against other pokemon sent out first, with the exception of those who are ground type and those that use sleep moves right off the bat. I gave him bullet punch instead of meteor mash because I believe it's important to have a few priority moves throughout the team, and it seems to be working out well. I also gave him an Occa Berry to be able to take a fire move and so far (with the exception of criticals) he's never been OHKOed by a fire move.

Even though I like Metagross, I'm wondering if there are any lead pokemon better suited for my team. I'm looking for something better suited for a pokemon built around speed, so any ideas would be great.

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STYX (Gyarados) (M) @ Wacan Berry
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Waterfall
- Ice Fang
- Stone Edge
- Dragon Dance

Gyarados used to be the teams later, before I introduced Metagross to the team. I haven't changed him much since then, so he almost works as a second lead pokemon. He functions well as a Dragon Dancer, as I find I have many opportunities to use it safely and then sweep. Another thing I like about this guy is he acts as a lure to electric moves (taking 4x damage from them). When I expect an electric move is going to be used on him I will switch my Electivire in and hopefully take down several pokemon in the process.

His type coverage seems good, but I'm open to ideas. I'm also trying to decide if his current hold item (Wacan Berry - halves electric moves) should be abandoned for something else.

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BLITZKRIEG (Electivire) (M) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Motor Drive
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Thunderpunch
- Ice Punch
- Earthquake
- Cross Chop

In the past my entire team was built around this guy, but by now my circle of friends knows what they need to do to counter him. He does still serve the purpose of quickly taking down most anything due to his excellent type coverage. I don't really have any complaints about this guy, and I do like the Gyarados/Electivire combo, so I'm not really looking to replace him or majorly modify him.

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PROX (Infernape) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Nasty Plot
- Flamethrower
- Vacuum Wave
- Grass Knot

I tried to fit this guy onto my team because I felt I was lacking special sweepers and fire moves. After thinking a bit I decided that a Special, based Infernape would work pretty well. I sometimes have trouble finding a good time to send him in... but when I do find a time to do it, I try to get in a Nasty Plot before sweeping. I decided to put Vacuum Wave in instead of Close Combat because I really didn't feel like investing EVs in Attack and dealing with the loss of more defenses. I threw in Grass Knot as a surprise counter to rock, ground, and water pokemon that would otherwise be able to slay him.

My main thing with this poke is his fragileness. I'm wondering if I should invest some EVs in Def or Sp. Def.

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ACHERON (Gengar) (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt
- Will-o-wisp
- Destiny Bond

This guy, along with Electivire and Gyarados have been on my team for several months and I feel he works very well with the team in general. I first put him on my team to be my nearly flawless way to take down at least one pokemon. It didn't work as well as I would have liked, but he does preform the role of Destiny Bonder well to an extent. Since I modified him, he's been my other Special attacker and also preforms as my annoyer. Because he his probably the most fragile member of my team, I gave him a Focus Sash.

The main thing I want looked at are his attacking moves. What I've got right now seems to work well but I am open to ideas.

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SATYRE (Gallade) (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Steadfast
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Close Combat
- Night Slash
- Psycho Cut
- X-Scissor

This guy I need the most help with. I've been looking for a poke to serve as a Bander or Scarfer (preferably Scarfer). After some testing I decided to give this guy a shot and he seems to work fairly well. I found I wasn't getting good enough type coverage and basically gave him several moves that would hit for at least neutral damage.

I've tried Banding and Scarfing with this guy and neither seems to be better than the other. I also want to look at his movepool, which I think can be improved on.

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Like I said before, the main things I want looked at are type coverage and EV spreads, but don't stop there if you have any good ideas. Thanks! :D
 
You may want to try the normal MixApe set:

Infernape @ Life Orb
Naive
64 Att / 252 Sp.Att / 192 Spe
-Close Combat
-Nasty Plot
-Flamethrower / Fire Blast
-Grass Knot / HP [Ice] / Vacuum Wave


Sometimes i run 252 Speed and 192 Sp.Att to outrun other Apes, and plus, after a Nasty Plot, your SpA is high enough xD. Main thing is this: Blissey. Close Combat is for Blissey, because she walls Ape like mad like this.



Also, use this spread for Gyarados:

Jolly
88 HP / 252 Att / 168 Spe


With 168 speed, you outrun max speed Jolteon after 1 DD, and max speed Scarfed Latias after 2. Plus, you are more bulkier, since the non-essential EV's go to HP.
 
Bossnine said:
You may want to try the normal MixApe set:

Infernape @ Life Orb
Naive
64 Att / 252 Sp.Att / 192 Spe
-Close Combat
-Nasty Plot
-Flamethrower / Fire Blast
-Grass Knot / HP [Ice] / Vacuum Wave


Sometimes i run 252 Speed and 192 Sp.Att to outrun other Apes, and plus, after a Nasty Plot, your SpA is high enough xD. Main thing is this: Blissey. Close Combat is for Blissey, because she walls Ape like mad like this.
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My main concern with giving Infernape Close Combat is that it also means that I'm losing a priority move. I do have two other pokes that use physical fighting moves. I know that Blissey is a threat and I'm probably doomed if it comes down to just my Infernape and Blissey, but in most cases I still think that the priority helps.

Do you still think that it would be better to abandon Vacuum Wave for Close Combat?
 
Bossnine said:
Also, use this spread for Gyarados:

Jolly
88 HP / 252 Att / 168 Spe


With 168 speed, you outrun max speed Jolteon after 1 DD, and max speed Scarfed Latias after 2. Plus, you are more bulkier, since the non-essential EV's go to HP.
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I would keep max speed. It lets you tie with other Jolly Gyarados and lets you beat Scarf Heatran after 1 Dragon Dance, incase they try to explode on you. Wacan Berry can be surprising but it's only good once. I would just go for Leftovers to improve Gyarados' survivability. Also, move those 6 HP EVs into DEF. This lets Gyarados switch into Stealth Rock 1 extra time.

I'd also remove Focus Sash off of Gengar. If it comes in on Stealth Rock (which it most likely will), Focus Sash will be useless. Give it a Life Orb, and I would also recommend the following Gengar set:
Shadow Ball / Focus Blast / Hidden Power [Fire] / Protect

The reason is because Gengar is CB Scizor bait. Protect lets you scout what their move is. If they use Bullet Punch, you can switch to Gyarados and set up. If they use any other attack, they're going to die to HP: Fire.

Gallade seems really outclassed as a Choice Bander. Scizor, Dragonite, and even Heracross are all better choices. I'd pick either Scizor or Dragonite since they have great priority moves, and then go for the standard MixApe over your current one.
 
I would suggest changing Explosion on Metagross to Meteor Mash, for the power, and durability -(in that you won't be giving up a great tank)

And also changing Occa Berry to Lum Berry, Because even without Occa, Meta will still be able to survive a Fire Blast from Azelf, (It might need more HP / SpD Ev's, im not sure i'll get back to you on that) And Lum gives you the much needed recovery from status, like a Lead Rose. This only leaves you open to Infernape and Heatran, where Gyrados takes care of them.(for the most part)
 
Another thing you could try is SD Lucario over Infernape, and then change Electivire's nature to Jolly. Gliscor is Lucario's #1 counter and Jolly Electivire will surprise most Gliscor by OHKOing with Ice Punch after Stealth Rock. Gyarados also shares similar counters to Lucario so they'll weaken each other's counters. Gengar can take out most Rotom-A for Gyarados/Lucario allowing them to sweep with ease.
 
Bribes said:
Another thing you could try is SD Lucario over Infernape, and then change Electivire's nature to Jolly. Gliscor is Lucario's #1 counter and Jolly Electivire will surprise most Gliscor by OHKOing with Ice Punch after Stealth Rock. Gyarados also shares similar counters to Lucario so they'll weaken each other's counters. Gengar can take out most Rotom-A for Gyarados/Lucario allowing them to sweep with ease.
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I'm confused how that would work. Wouldn't Gliscor just Earthquake to try to kill Lucario, and you switch out to Electivire, and Electivire proceeds to die? Or are we talking about a revenge kill?

Either way, Mixape serves a very different purpose from SD Lucario. By the way, towards the OP, I would highly reccomend putting Close Combat over Vacuum Wave. Lack of priority may be unappealing, but Close Combat is massively useful against a wide variety of pokemon, dealing large amounts of damage with little to no investment in attack.
 
The fastest Pokemon here seems to be Gengar at 350. Many choice scarf users outrun this (let alone the likes of Azelf, Raikou, Starmie, Alakazam...), so if you're going for a speed based team you're gonna want something with at least enough speed to outrun ScarfHeatran (417 iirc).
 
Gallade-
Latais with a scarf seems like it would work better in Gallade's spot simply because the moves that are commonly used to take it down are the same ones that let gyarados and even sometimes infernape set up (examples; pursuit and bullet punch on choice band Scizor or Tyranitar with Pursuit is a common answer to a scarf Latias which then gives you a free turn of set up for either of the aforementioned pokemon). Also, it gives you a switch into opposing infernape which is never a bad thing to have.
SO...
Latias @ Choice Scarf
Timid; (you can do two spreads here) 252 Spe./ 252 Sp. Atk./ 4 Def. or 78 Hp/ 252 Sp. Atk./ 178 Spe.
The second spread is just enough speed to outrun any Salamence after a single DD or any Salamence with a scarf with the rest in HP for a tiny bit more bulk.
Trick/ Thunderbolt/ Draco Meteor/ Ice Beam

Infernape-
I know it may seem impractical, but if you run Focus blast on infernape, you still OHKO physically bulky Swampert after a single NP, and that way you can also take on Blissey as well... I recommend testing it in Grass knots place. (If you use that Latias you have a solid answer for DD gyarados anyway which is the only other reason I can think of to run it)

Gyarados-
I think that since you are running electivire (I prefer jolteon, but you dont want to change it), you could get by with using a bulkier gyarados build. Jolteon doesn't need to be outspeed as much since you are looking to give the speed boost to electivire anyway. Also, if you run latias, even if electivire should already be ko'd, you will have an additional switch in to electric type attacks from the likes of jolteon or other scarf latias. With all of the anti electric hate built into the team waccan berry is over preparing in my opinion.
the ev spread for a bulky gyarados looks something like this (ripped from the analysis if you are wanting to research it):
Gyarados @ Leftovers
Adamant;156 Hp/ 108 Atk./ 100 Def./ 144 Spe.
Taunt/ Dragon Dance/ Waterfall/ Stone Edge

The only other thing is perhaps a change in your Gengar's moveset, but I've already recommended a healthy bit of change. Test some or all of these suggestions out and go from there.
 
I've taken a lot of this into consideration, and I'm doing a bit of tinkering based on your suggestions. I'll let you all know what I come up with when I'm done and have done some testing. Thanks again for the help.
 
If you don't think you'll be reliant on your lead later, Mamoswine makes a great chunky lead.

Hold: Focus Sash
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
- Stealth Rock
- Ice Shard
- Earthquake
- Endeavor

Keeps the trend of Metagross with Stealth Rock, a STAB priority move, and Earthquake, and has a similarly suicidal strategy that can go a long way... I used this Endeavor Swine for a while as my team's lead, and it's great, it's pretty much guaranteed to take down at least one foe... If you can predict properly on your foe's attack, you can Endeavor them down to 1 HP then easily KO with Ice Shard. If they do a lot of switching around (or if you predict the switch properly), you can hit multiple opponents with Endeavor, making them ripe for Ice Shard KOs or doomed to faint from the Rocks. Endeavor aside, those STAB Ice Shards and Earthquakes really hurt, so this is a lead not to be overlooked.

Also, Grass Knot on Infernape won't come as much of a surprise to anyone, it's a staple of any Infernape sets that don't avoid special attacks entirely.
 
Don't use Wacan Berry on Gyarados if you have Electrivire on your team.
Since you can also switch Electrivire into Jolteon, you don't really have to outspeed it. Instead, I'd go for a more powerful Gyarados, with Adamant, LO, 80 HP/252 Att/176 Spe. This lets you outrun max speed positive Starmie and have a chance to OHKO after SR damage with Stone Edge/Earthquake. I'd also change Electrivire to the mixed set, which allows him to have an easier time taking down things that would wall the physical set. Then, for Gallade, personally I think you could try the standard CB Scizor or mabye a Scarfed Heracross. He's a tad faster, and with Jolly, can OHKO and outspeed scarfed Heatran with CC. If Tran isn't so big an issue, just run Adamant.
 
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