Rock Gem Terrakion

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[SET]
name: Rock Gem
move 1: Swords Dance
move 2: Stone Edge
move 3: Close Combat
move 4: X-Scissor/Quick Attack
item: Rock Gem
ability: Justified
nature: Jolly
evs: 4 HP / 252 Att / 252 Spd

Why this deserves to be on-site:
  • Lures and OHKOs Terrakion's Most Common "Counters" (see Damage Calcs)
  • Still preserves excellent type coverage with Dual STAB + Extra Move
  • Utilizes its naturally high base stats to sweep unprepared teams as always
  • Paves the way for other physical attackers to sweep by punching through the tier's most common physical walls.
  • Can effectively bluff a Choiced Set early game to net surprise KOs as well.

Additional Comments:

  • EV Spread is fairly standard - Max Attack and Max Speed as there's no need to run anything else.
  • Adamant nature can be used to solidify some KOs without Stealth Rock, but it is inadvised as you lose out on outspeeding a large portion of the metagame
  • +2 Rock Gem STAB Stone Edge hits like a truck - here are some damage calculations:
  • Jolly +2 Rock Gem Stone Edge vs. 252/184+ Gliscor: 88.98% - 105.08% [100% OHKO with Stealth Rock]
  • Jolly +2 Rock Gem Stone Edge vs. 252/232+ Skarmory: 83.83% - 98.8% [68.75% OHKO with Stealth Rock]
  • Jolly +2 Rock Gem Stone Edge vs. 252/252+ Slowbro: 83.76% - 98.48% [75% OHKO with Stealth Rock]
  • Jolly +2 Rock Gem Stone Edge vs. 252/252+ Reuniclus: 99.29% - 116.98% [93.75% OHKO]
  • Jolly +2 Rock Gem Stone Edge vs. 252/144+ Forretress: 83.9% - 99.15% [75% OHKO with Stealth Rock]
  • Quick Attack is useful as a last ditch priority move, horrendously weak as it is. +2 Jolly Quick Attack does 34.77 - 41.06% to 4/0 Latios, and has a similar damage output on standard Starmie, which can be useful for picking off worn foes.


Teammates and Counters
Pokemon that love the absence of Gliscor, Skarmory, and other common physical walls can easily sweep after Terrakion has punched through these defensive threats. Pokemon like Lucario, Dragonite, and other such pokes have an easier time sweeping.

As always, Terrakion's biggest issues are priority users (Scizor) and faster pokemon like Starmie and Latios, which can stop Terrakion's sweep short (though just about nothing that is commonly used can safely switch in to this Terrakion, unless I'm mistaken). Tyranitar is an excellent partner, as he's able to checkmate Gengar, Starmie, and Latios while bringing sandstorm that boosts Terrakion's SpDef and increases residual damage on opposing foes. Magnezone can also be a useful teammate for its ability to eliminate opposing Scizor, Terrakion's biggest check. With Scizor and physical walls gone, Dragonite also has an easier time setting up and sweeping. Landorus also deserves mention as an excellent partner, as he is able to come in on ground and fighting type attacks that hurt Terrakion, utilizes the same sand to his benefit, and can easily sweep when dedicated physical walls are eliminated by Terrakion.


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Alright, sorry guys, this is my first time posting in these forums. I read through the rules, and hopefully I posted this right, but if I didn't, please let me know what I need to change. I'm just eager to showcase a very potent set that isn't on the site yet.
 
Nice analysis, but I do not think a separate set is needed. Rock Gem can be simply slashed with the Air Balloon / Life Orb in the Double Dance set, with an extra AC description explaining its usefulness.
 
I think that the set plays completely differently from the double dancer, though. While the double dancer is an adaptable set capable of sweeping through various teams, I don't think that this Terrakion plays the same way. It's main goal isn't to sweep, it's to pave the way for another pokemon to sweep by focusing on eliminating the select few physical walls found in the OU metagame. Also, rock polish is almost entirely useless, defeating the whole "double dance" philosophy - Terrakion's speed is more than enough to serve as an effective wallbreaker, and the 3rd slot - underused as it may be - is still open for coverage options like X-Scissor, Quick Attack, or even Earthquake to land a harder hit on Jirachi and Metagross.

For me, the sets are inherently different, and competitively they play very differently. It's hard to bluff a choice item with an air balloon, and while +2 LO Stone Edge is a force to be reckoned with, it doesn't have quite enough power to break through Gliscor. The double dance set would be an effective partner to this set, for example, if species clause didn't exist, but they are not really that similar.
 
unslash adamant because its terrible and you lose speed ties with other terrakions

i don't think this really warrants anything more than ac
 
The problem with this set is that you gain an extra oomph for Stone Edge and nothing else, in addition to that why not just use Life Orb or muscle band? Also this might work better with Adamant natured Terakion and that just means you get outsped by other similar base speed Pokemon who are +ve speed natured. Surely this can bluff once or twice a choice item but apart from that it ain't really doing anything major. Not to mention Stone Edge got horrible pp and misses alot.
 
As infamous as the "Stone miss" accuracy is, it really isn't all that terrible. The whole point of the set is to gain that extra oomph to serve as an effective wallbreaker, paving the way for another physical attacker to sweep. Furthermore, the PP is a moot point - you only need ONE stone edge to smash through a physical wall, as illustrated by damage calculations. It's nice that you have 7 more, but once that wall is gone, your Landorus, Dragonite, or any other Physical Powerhouse can go to town on your opponent's team. Furthermore, Terrakion's natural power and bulk ensure that it isn't setup fodder for ANY other threat in the metagame, which almost ensures that your physical sweeper won't have a tough time coming in after Terrakion bites the dust.

Life Orb and Muscle Band just don't have enough power to break through walls. Almost everyone switches their Gliscor, Skarmory, Slowbro, Tangrowth, etc. directly into Terrakion, as they do an effective job of checking/walling the other Terrakion sets.

+2 Jolly Life Orb Terrakion Stone Edge has about a 30% chance to OHKO standard Gliscor with Stealth Rock. The same Terrakion with a Rock Gem has a 100% chance. Yes, you do lose out on in some power against other select pokemon, but the main goal and point of this Terrakion is to specialize in breaking down walls, a task it does extremely well. It isn't designed to sweep by itself, but to facilitate easier sweeps for another member of your team.
 
Didn't gain any traction here and that was back when the ability to lure Gliscor was far more valuable.

I do think that we, as a site, are sometimes a little dismissive of the potency of the Gems in Singles but I don't feel this set is the one to change that mindset. Life Orb is almost always a better option as you still beat all those physical walls provided you wear them down ever-so-slightly and you also gain the ability to beat stuff like Hippowdon too. And that's without 'handcuffing' yourself like you do with Rock Gem (oh fuck I want to Stone Edge this Gengar switch but then I've no hope of breaking through Slowbro!).

Not hugely opposed to a mention somewhere in the analysis but I don't feel it deserves a set of it's own.
 
Agreeing with Lee, I rather use Life Orb 100% percent of the time due to the consistency and the fact that it boosts all moves.
 
Ah yeah I love this set, he actually kills gliscor, growth, mew and slowbro after +2 and an +0 stone edge rock gem boosted ohkoes landorus. However it shouldnt have its own set since it plays exact the same as the double booster, should be an item option. And yeah, use rock polish > quick attack / x-scissor. also id use adamant on this set since it already outspeeds everything after a rock polish and sd is meant to break walls... you waste your gem with things you couldnt kill with a life orb stone edge like scarf landorus switching on a rock polish. Not to mention this set bluffs choice set with close combat.

You guys should try it out, rock gem is for sure a very fun item to use in Double Dance Terrakion
 
I think this is probably worth a mention in the A/C section of the Double Booster. "It OHKOs Gliscor" just isn't enough to convince me that it deserves its own set.
 
None of the pokemon you listed even counter Swords Dance Terrakion, except Gliscor if Stone Edge misses. A one-use item doesn't seem too useful on a pokemon that's forced out by Scizor every time. The Gems are probably always going to be AC material with the two rare exceptions of Flying Gem + Acrobatics and the Unburden ability.

Also, Quick Attack on Terrakion is just a "joke"/utility move to fill the 4th moveslot on a Choice set because it doesn't really need Earthquake and picking off a 10% mon can be incredibly helpful in the BW metagame. I don't know why you would include it at all on an SD set.

Of course the Rock Gem *could* net you some KOs here and there. The issue isn't "can it work?", the issue is "how reliable is this?" and by the looks of it, not very. There are many better options, so AC a gogo baby
 
yeah i'll just slash this with the SD set and add a few sentences. definitely doesn't need its own set. locking
 
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