Roserade - BW2 Revamp [QC 3/3][GP 2/2] (See Post #51 for details)

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This overview just doesn't cut it for me. It somehow manages to oversell and undersell Roserade in the same paragraph. Mentioning Roserade's lack of a Pursuit weakness barely matters when you consider that it's not even in the same league of physical defense as Celebi, and will probably die to most Pursuits anyway. The first sentence shouldn't be saying "on paper roserade is bad" because if someone reads that first sentence and goes "oh well then lets not use roserade" the whole thing is for naught. In general, the whole overview needs reworking. The rest is solid, and just needs a bit of touchup, but there are fundamental flaws in the overview that I can't overlook.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4514558&postcount=1

Read this for an idea of how to structure the new overview, and let me know when it's ready. If you need a hand, feel free to hit me up on IRC.
 
I've also got a few things that need addressing before this goes up.

Tyranitar and Landorus work well with Roserade. Tyranitar scares off the Lati twins, Espeon, and Xatu; Landorus takes out Tentacruel and Heatran with Sand Force boosted Earthquakes; and Roserade sponges the Water-type attacks that the two fear. Landorus-T can also be used without Tyranitar, as it takes out the same Pokemon while providing Intimidate for a physically defensive partner.</p>

Landorus can't be counted on to switch into Heatran from Roserade (who you risk taking damage and a possible burn from Lava Plume, or heavy damage from a Fire Blast). If you can't think of a replacement, I would remove this mention.

While Roserade's most common role is as a somewhat offensive user of Spikes and Toxic Spikes, it can pull off a surprisingly good offensive set due to its excellent Speed and Special Attack stats.

This is wrong i'm afraid, base 90 Speed is quite mediocre on offensive Pokemon by OU standards.

First and foremost, Roserade's powerful STAB Leaf Storm—running off of its high Special Attack—is the strongest unboosted Grass-type attack in OU. (Exeggutor)

This is both unnecessary and untrue (Exeggutor is crying). It's a good segue into your next sentence, but you can get away with mentioning that Roserade's Leaf Storms are fairly strong, but easily abused. (since grass-type as an offensive STAB is unimpressive in OU)

Heatran needs a much larger mention in the counters section. In fact, it should be listed first (since its the best counter to Roserade; it has nothing to fear except the extremely rare HP ground). I feel like mentioning Lucario in the opening sentence is unnecessary since ExtremeSpeed doesn't come close to OHKOing any of Roserades sets. Your Volcarona mention is a bit vague; are you trying to say that Volcarona can't switch into Sludge Bomb if Stealth Rock is up? On the other hand, there's no need to mention that Dugtrio can trap and kill a weakened Pokemon because it can do that to pretty much every non-flying/levitate user that lack a ground resist in OU.

I know this sounds nitpicky, but I figured now would be the best time to address mistakes before this analysis is uploaded. Don't worry, everything else is peachy ok!
 
It probably isn't worth putting this anywhere in the analyses, but I think it's pretty cool that Roserade can actually resist fire attacks after using Water Sport. Then it double resists them in rain. Kind of turns usual switch-ins into favorable match-ups(it even gets weather ball, 150 BP water attack ftw). Not that you would have any trouble disposing of fire types on a rain team haha
 
Yeah, that isn't something worth putting in the analysis. That's more of an ingame thing. (yes I used Water Sport Roserade in my second run of Diamond)

If you don't mind, SDS, mind if I shoot you a PM with the new overview and PK's changes once everything's done?
 
Yeah, that isn't something worth putting in the analysis. That's more of an ingame thing. (yes I used Water Sport Roserade in my second run of Diamond)

If you don't mind, SDS, mind if I shoot you a PM with the new overview and PK's changes once everything's done?

If you want, though you can just post/edit it here too. It'll need at least 1 gp check.
 
Writing Overview of Roserade for Acticblast:

[box]Once a notorious Toxic Spikes lead in DPP, Roserade struggles to carve a notable niche in BW OU. When it comes to spiking, it must compete with Ferrothorn and Tentacruel, both of which assume this role marvelously. Roserade is also liable to being set-up bait for draconic beings such as Latias, Dragonite with MultiScale, and Kyurem-Black. To top it off, Chlorophyll sweepeers, such as Venusaur, are just more appealing as a special Grass sweeper than Roserade.

Despite losing much of its bluster, Roserade still stands ground in this increasingly hostile metagame. Roserade possess a combination of attributes that allow it to offer some unique service to one's team. For one, Roserade is one of the few mons that possess both Spikes and Toxic Spikes. Combine that with its respectable special defense, ability Natural Cure, and Grass-type resistance to Water and Electric, and you have a hazard-setting specially defensive glue Pokemon that can switch into Volt Switches and Scalds with impunity. Alternatively, it's excellent base 125 SpA and decent base 90 Spe coupled with Sleep Powder and some distinctive coverage moves make for quite a formidable offensive force. Exploit these unique qualities and Roserade would certainly prove itself to be no pushover! [/box]

Approve y/n? We can finally upload this if SDS or PK Gaming can implement this new overview (after grammar check) and PK Gaming's revisions into Arcticblast's analysis.
 
ugh yeah Tornadus-T is banned so a lot of this needs to be reworked...

Pocket's overview is good though.
 
Don't worry about it. Got ya covered. Modify these if you like; I just simply removed Tornadus-T from the analysis entirely.

[SET]
name: Defensive
move 1: Spikes / Toxic Spikes
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Hidden Power Fire / Toxic Spikes
move 4: Rest
item: Black Sludge
ability: Natural Cure
nature: Calm
evs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This is perhaps Roserade's best set in the OU metagame, using its typing and excellent support movepool to its advantage. Roserade's calling card over other Grass-types is its access to both Spikes and Toxic Spikes, a trait only shared with Forretress and Cloyster in OU. Roserade's typing is quite useful for defensive teams, as it lets Roserade absorb Toxic Spikes and resist Water, Fighting, Grass, and Electric. This typing allows it to go toe-to-toe with Keldeo, Rotom-W, and Jellicent, Pokemon that defensive teams have trouble with, and thanks to Natural Cure it can absorb stray status moves and even set up on bulky Water-types without fearing Scald. It does a decent job at breaking VoltTurn as well if it can avoid being battered around too much by U-turn or other physical attacks.</p>

<p>Roserade's most important move on this set is definitely Spikes, its best available entry hazard. Giga Drain allows it to take a chunk out of Water-types and Terrakion, while Hidden Power Fire lets it hammer Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Scizor. Rest lets it heal up to full HP in order to continue its job later in a battle. On most Pokemon, Rest is looked down on, as these Pokemon are stuck asleep for two turns or more. Roserade, however, can heal itself just by switching out thanks to Natural Cure. Roserade is an excellent user of Toxic Spikes as well as Spikes, and can run it over Spikes or Hidden Power Fire. The EV spread listed allows Roserade to take a Choice Band Bullet Punch from Scizor and a Choice Specs Secret Sword from Keldeo.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>As far as alternate options on this set are concerned, Sleep Powder is your best bet, as putting a Pokemon to sleep practically removes it from the game. Unfortunately, you have to forgo Spikes to use it, as the two moves are illegal together. Aromatherapy, Stun Spore, and Leech Seed are also excellent options, but are generally inferior to the ones listed. Sludge Bomb and Hidden Power Ice can be used over Hidden Power Fire to nail Flying-types, Magic Bounce Pokemon, or Dragon-types on the switch. An EV spread of 252 HP / 44 SpA / 152 SpD / 60 Spe can be used with a Timid nature to outspeed and OHKO Scizor with Hidden Power Fire.</p>

<p>Espeon and Xatu are this set's greatest foes, as they can bounce back Roserade's entry hazards, then outspeed and OHKO with their STAB moves. Tentacruel takes Roserade's attacks like a champ while spinning Roserade's hazards away and setting its own. Latios and Latias resist its attacks and hit back hard with Psyshock or Draco Meteor. Heatran is a pain in the neck because it hits Roserade super effectively and doesn't fear anything but a stray Hidden Power Ground or Sleep Powder. Ironically, Heatran is also Roserade's best friend, taking the Fire-type moves Roserade hates. Heatran and Jirachi can also keep Latios and Latias in check, so Roserade doesn't risk eating a Psyshock or being set up on. While Roserade won't like the residual damage from sandstorm, Tyranitar and Landorus work well with Roserade. Tyranitar scares off the Lati twins, Espeon, and Xatu; Landorus takes out Tentacruel and Heatran with Sand Force boosted Earthquakes; and Roserade sponges the Water-type attacks that the two fear. Landorus-T can also be used without Tyranitar, as it takes out the same Pokemon while providing Intimidate for a physically defensive partner.</p>

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Sludge Bomb
move 3: Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ground
move 4: Sleep Powder / Toxic Spikes
item: Life Orb
ability: Natural Cure
nature: Timid
evs: 24 HP / 252 SpA / 232 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>While Roserade's most common role is as a somewhat offensive user of Spikes and Toxic Spikes, it can pull off a surprisingly good offensive set due to its excellent Speed and Special Attack stats. Its typing and ability provide even more benefits not commonly seen in the OU tier. Due to its Poison typing, it is one of the best offensive Toxic Spikes absorbers, and while its ability might seem redundant in conjunction with its immunity to poison, Natural Cure allows it to practically shrug off paralysis and sleep, which would effectively remove any other offensive Pokemon from the match.</p>

<p>First and foremost, Roserade's powerful STAB Leaf Storm—running off of its high Special Attack—is the strongest unboosted Grass-type attack in OU. Leaf Storm's unfortunate side effect often forces Roserade out after one hit, however, so Sludge Bomb provides a powerful secondary STAB attack with the added benefit of hitting Latios, Dragonite, and Salamence on the switch. Hidden Power Fire rounds off Roserade's coverage and allows it to hit Pokemon such as Skarmory and Ferrothorn super effectively. Hidden Power Ground is an alternative that allows Roserade to hit Heatran, which otherwise walls it, and gives a 31 Speed IV. However, it comes at the cost of the ability to hit many of OU's Steel-types. Sleep Powder is an excellent utility move that can remove a problematic Pokemon from the match, while Toxic Spikes provides nice team support rarely seen on an offensive Pokemon.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The set's 232 Speed EVs allow Roserade to reach 300 Speed and outrun neutral base 100 Pokemon by one point as Hidden Power Fire requires a lowered Speed IV, preventing Roserade from Speed tying with other positive natured base 90s. Although mostly barren, Roserade's movepool is surprisingly large for a Grass / Poison type Pokemon, and as such, it has a a couple more options to run in the fourth slot. Shadow Ball provides the best coverage with the given moves, while Weather Ball is an excellent move on weather teams and allows Roserade to run a different Hidden Power. Growth is Roserade's only boosting move, but Roserade is too frail to boost effectively, and Leaf Storm will simply remove the boost; furthermore, it is outclassed by Venusaur in this regard. Hidden Power Ice can be used in the third slot to hit Pokemon such as Dragonite, but this leaves Roserade helpless against Steel-types. Toxic Spikes can replace Sludge Bomb or Hidden Power to allow for Toxic Spikes and Sleep Powder. A Focus Sash can be used over Life Orb to get in a quick Sleep Powder or hit, but the power drop is huge.</p>

<p>Offensive Roserade can be paired with a wide variety of teammates. It loves fast partners with Ground-, Fighting-, or Water-type moves to remove Steel- and Fire-types from the match. Good options for these Pokemon include Starmie, Terrakion, and Dugtrio, the latter of which can also trap grounded Steel- and Fire-types and destroy them with Earthquake. Furthermore, physical walls can soak up attacks aimed at Roserade's awful Defense stat. A special mention goes to Slowbro, which resists all the elemental types Roserade is weak to bar Flying and can switch out and regain health through Regenerator. Heatran resists Flying, is immune to Fire, and can set up Stealth Rock to help Roserade secure some KOs. Finally, Roserade is an excellent partner for any Pokemon that fears status afflictions, such as bulky Water-types or Choice attackers, due to its innate immunity to Toxic and Natural Cure to remove status. Espeon, Starmie, and Volcarona all pose problems, but thankfully, Choice Scarf Terrakion can easily defeat these Pokemon with a quick Stone Edge or Close Combat.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Weather Ball is pretty awesome on weather teams. Rain and sun essentially give Roserade a 150 Base Power Water- or Fire-type move and grant you the ability to use Hidden Power Ice or Hidden Power Ground respectively, although you're really better off using a Chlorophyll sweeper such as Venusaur on Sun teams. Sandstorm gives Roserade a Rock-type Weather Ball, which provides some useful coverage on Flying-type switch-ins. Hail makes Weather Ball Ice-type, which provides amazing coverage with Hidden Power Fire; this compounds your Hail team's weakness to Fire-type moves, however. Extrasensory smacks Infernape as it switches in and hits Poison-types hard, making it wonderful alongside Toxic Spikes. Leech Seed can be used to bug Heatran and sap ridiculous amounts of health from Blissey and Chansey. Aromatherapy is a great support option, but unless you have a very status-weak team, it's probably outclassed by another move.</p>

<p>A set utilizing Choice Scarf is a nice idea; it might surprise faster Pokemon such as Terrakion and Keldeo. An EV spread of 64 HP / 252 SpA / 192 Spe with a Modest nature allows Roserade to outspeed all base 130 Pokemon and OHKO Tornadus-T in any weather with Weather Ball. An offensive set using Technician and Magical Leaf could be used to allow Spikes on an offensive set, but the loss of Natural Cure hurts pretty badly.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Strong priority moves from the likes of Scizor, Mamoswine, and Lucario easily take out Roserade, especially since they target its low Defense stat. SubDisable Gengar resists Roserade's STAB moves, blocks Sleep Powder with Substitute, and can prevent it from using its coverage moves. Most Dragon-types can set up on Roserade, but they are hit hard by Sludge Bomb. Chansey and Blissey wall Roserade all day. Xatu and Espeon reflect its hazards and threaten back with their STAB moves, but must be careful around offensive variants. Heatran is arguably Roserade's best counter, but fears Hidden Power Ground. Latios and Latias take its hits and can use Psyshock to wipe it out. Ferrothorn in the rain is rather annoying as it can set up as many hazards as it wants against Roserade. Most Fire-types can beat Roserade, but if they are outsped, they can be 2HKOed by Sludge Bomb&mdash;even Volcarona can't switch in on that. Tornadus easily outspeeds and destroys Roserade with Hurricane, though it must switch in on a support move or a weakened Hidden Power to safely do so. Gothitelle can't take repeated hits but can easily trap and OHKO Roserade with Psychic. Dugtrio can trap and kill a weakened Roserade. Tentacruel takes Leaf Storm like a champ and spins away Roserade's hazards. Reuniclus doesn't care about entry hazards, takes Roserade's hits relatively well, and KOes in return with its own STAB moves. Fortunately for Roserade, all of its counters (except Magic Bounce users) can be neutered with a well-timed Sleep Powder.</p>
 
I don't like the beginning of the overview being about how bad it is- the overview should be realistic but not undersell, and the first sentence should be gripping and encourage people to read more. Starting with talking about how Roserade struggles is iffy to me.

I'll be home in about... 5 hours? Get in touch with me when I get on IRC, Pocket, and we can polish that overview.
 
Despite finding itself in an increasingly hostile metagame, Roserade still manages to stand tall. Not only is it one of the few Pokemon to possess both Spikes and Toxic Spikes, but it also combines 105 base Special Defense with crucial Water and Electric resistances. Combine this with Natural Cure, and you've got a Pokemon that can switch into Volt Switches, Scalds, and even some Thunders with impunity. To top it off, it's even got an excellent 125 base Special Attack and decent 90 base Speed, giving it the ability to really turn up the heat on opposing teams. Factor in Sleep Powder and the explosive force of STAB Leaf Storm, and Roserade has a lot going for it.

However, not everything is coming up roses for Roserade in OU. Competition from Tentacruel and Ferrothorn cut into its appeal, and its limited coverage can make it a liability against some dangerous Pokemon, such as Latias, Multiscale Dragonite, and Kyurem-Black. Finally, as an offensive force, Chlorophyll users like Venusaur just bring more to the table. Still, with all it brings to the table, Roserade is more than capable of fitting into teams of any stripe.

Uploading with this as the overview.

e: Done.
 
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