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Project SS RU Victim of the Week: Week 31 - NP Alolatales
- Thread starter Oathkeeper
- Start date
Checks: Dog, Agent Raj
Counters: Rotom, Table
Counters: Rotom, Table
the good boi and weezing for checks. steelix and the table for counters
Toge, Aromatisse
Steelix, Avalugg
Steelix, Avalugg
Winners
Checks
Checks
Counters
Honorable mentions:
Since Bewear (check) has Fluffy, it can live any 1 hit from Braviary since they all make physical contact with da bear. Bewear, in return, OHKOs right back with its STAB move of choice due to either a Defense drop from CC or recoil from Brave Bird.
Checks
Boltund - 8
Weezing - 5
Rhydon - 5
Togedemaru - 3
Copperajah - 2
Aromatisse - 1
Counters
Avalugg - 11
Steelix - 6
Sableye - 4
Rotom - 3
Boltund - 8
Weezing - 5
Rhydon - 5
Togedemaru - 3
Copperajah - 2
Aromatisse - 1
Counters
Avalugg - 11
Steelix - 6
Sableye - 4
Rotom - 3
gorex - 9
Katy - 8
Expulso - 8
Mavis - 7
Oathkeepre - 6
MrAldo - 5
xerovis - 5
Coton - 3
Randomnick - 3
SectoniaServant - 3
Sensei Axew - 3
cyanize - 2
Datsplashtho - 2
RahelGamer03 - 2
aVocado - 1
EggsAndPeanuts - 1
HiddenPower23 - 1
Loom - 1
Montage Hustle - 1
Zneon - 1
Katy - 8
Expulso - 8
Mavis - 7
Oathkeepre - 6
MrAldo - 5
xerovis - 5
Coton - 3
Randomnick - 3
SectoniaServant - 3
Sensei Axew - 3
cyanize - 2
Datsplashtho - 2
RahelGamer03 - 2
aVocado - 1
EggsAndPeanuts - 1
HiddenPower23 - 1
Loom - 1
Montage Hustle - 1
Zneon - 1
Alright, with that week finished and 1 left to go, gorex barely holds onto their lead as we enter the final week of this 10-week run. Can they hold on? Or will Katy, Expulso, or perhaps even Mavis come back and tie? Let's find out!!!
Week 10
The final mon to target in this 10-week run is..........
Ninetales @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Fire Blast
- Solarbeam
- Psyshock
Voting begins Wednesday!
Coalossal @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Steam Engine
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Flamethrower
- Rock Blast
- Stealth Rock
- Will-O-Wisp
Quad resists Fire Blast, takes little from Solar Beam and Psyshock, and 2hkoes with rock blast. counter
Ability: Steam Engine
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Flamethrower
- Rock Blast
- Stealth Rock
- Will-O-Wisp
Quad resists Fire Blast, takes little from Solar Beam and Psyshock, and 2hkoes with rock blast. counter
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Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Wish
- Protect
- Heal Bell
Nominating Vaporeon as a check. Although it resists Fire Blast, it dislikes taking a Solar Beam at +2, and Psyshock hurts quite a bit too. Protect helps with stalling out turns for Solar Beam, so you will only really be worried about Psyshock.
+2 252 SpA Ninetales Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Vaporeon: 282-334 (60.7 - 71.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Ninetales Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Vaporeon: 192-226 (41.3 - 48.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
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reserving snorlax as a counter
Snorlax @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 188 HP / 152 Def / 168 SpD
Careful Nature
- Body Slam
- Curse
- Rest
- Darkest Lariat
cuz of thick fat and its high base hp, along with investment in both its defensive stats, every move from ninetales at +2 is a 4hko at best, 5hko at worst. in return, body slam has a chance to 2hko and can even fish for para which would make ninetales less effective throughout the course of the game. spread taken from analysis, could probs be optimised or smth, but w/e too lazy etc etc.
Snorlax @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 188 HP / 152 Def / 168 SpD
Careful Nature
- Body Slam
- Curse
- Rest
- Darkest Lariat
cuz of thick fat and its high base hp, along with investment in both its defensive stats, every move from ninetales at +2 is a 4hko at best, 5hko at worst. in return, body slam has a chance to 2hko and can even fish for para which would make ninetales less effective throughout the course of the game. spread taken from analysis, could probs be optimised or smth, but w/e too lazy etc etc.
+2 252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 188 HP / 168+ SpD Thick Fat Snorlax in Sun: 142-168 (27.9 - 33%) -- 85.9% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Ninetales Solar Beam vs. 188 HP / 168+ SpD Snorlax: 137-162 (26.9 - 31.8%) -- 42.5% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Ninetales Psyshock vs. 188 HP / 152 Def Snorlax: 147-173 (28.9 - 34%) -- 99.3% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Ninetales Solar Beam vs. 188 HP / 168+ SpD Snorlax: 137-162 (26.9 - 31.8%) -- 42.5% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Ninetales Psyshock vs. 188 HP / 152 Def Snorlax: 147-173 (28.9 - 34%) -- 99.3% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Snorlax Body Slam vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ninetales: 127-150 (44.2 - 52.2%) -- 17.6% chance to 2HKO
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Nominating Turtonator as a Counter
Turtonator @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Shell Armor
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Flamethrower
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Will-O-Wisp
Not exactly the most viable pokemon, but it makes its niche through just how hard it counters Ninetales. It's not that good of a spinner, but it's a VERY good check to fire types.
Turtonator can come on Ninetales at any point, and can tank any attack it throws at it with its excellent 4x resist to Ninetales's most powerful attacks. Turtonator can choose to chunk it with an Earthquake, remove hazards, or predict a switch and burn an incoming pokemon.
While Turtonator can certainly be worn down, it should not be run on a team without a cleric, and the ability to switch in on any of Ninetales's moves means it can receive a Wish at low health, letting it check Ninetales for an even longer amount of time.
Turtonator @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Shell Armor
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Flamethrower
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Will-O-Wisp
Not exactly the most viable pokemon, but it makes its niche through just how hard it counters Ninetales. It's not that good of a spinner, but it's a VERY good check to fire types.
+2 252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Turtonator in Sun: 78-92 (24 - 28.3%) -- 97.8% chance to 4HKO
+2 252 SpA Ninetales Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Turtonator: 98-116 (30.2 - 35.8%) -- 37.9% chance to 3HKO
0- Atk Turtonator Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ninetales: 134-158 (46.6 - 55%) -- 62.1% chance to 2HKO
While using a -Atk nature takes away the guaranteed 2HKO, outspeeding base 30s and below is more valuable in my opinion, as you can status or KO a Steelix, Raj, Aromatisse, etc. while still slapping Ninetales incredibly hard
+2 252 SpA Ninetales Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Turtonator: 98-116 (30.2 - 35.8%) -- 37.9% chance to 3HKO
0- Atk Turtonator Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ninetales: 134-158 (46.6 - 55%) -- 62.1% chance to 2HKO
While using a -Atk nature takes away the guaranteed 2HKO, outspeeding base 30s and below is more valuable in my opinion, as you can status or KO a Steelix, Raj, Aromatisse, etc. while still slapping Ninetales incredibly hard
Turtonator can come on Ninetales at any point, and can tank any attack it throws at it with its excellent 4x resist to Ninetales's most powerful attacks. Turtonator can choose to chunk it with an Earthquake, remove hazards, or predict a switch and burn an incoming pokemon.
While Turtonator can certainly be worn down, it should not be run on a team without a cleric, and the ability to switch in on any of Ninetales's moves means it can receive a Wish at low health, letting it check Ninetales for an even longer amount of time.
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Nominating Charizard as a CHECK
Charizard @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 120 HP / 136 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fire Blast
- Roost
- Defog
- Toxic
Charizard has become a staple fire resist in the meta with a good natural bulk (especially if running hp) and reliable recovery in roost. Zard also clocks in at a great natual speed stat of 100, meaning it will be able to get roosts off easily throughout the match. The problem with 100 base speed however, is that it speed ties with Ninetales, which is why it is being ruled as a check, and not a counter.
Zard walls walls Ninetales unboosted easily, as Fire Blast does a measly 34.5 - 40.6% in sun , and can then roost off the damage, or threaten to hit back with sun boosted Fire Blast (37.6 - 44.5%). Ninetales can Nasty Plot up on Zard, but has to worry about being worn down by the repeated Fire Blasts, or Toxic, and then has to worry about the Sun turns being used up, as without the sun, Ninetales is inherently kinda weak.
With this investment, Zard has some hp to be used as a check to many things in the meta with its great defensive typing, and still packing a punch with its special attack. And the best part is, after forcing Tales out, Zard still has the sun in it's favor to Blast things away.
Charizard @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 120 HP / 136 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fire Blast
- Roost
- Defog
- Toxic
Charizard has become a staple fire resist in the meta with a good natural bulk (especially if running hp) and reliable recovery in roost. Zard also clocks in at a great natual speed stat of 100, meaning it will be able to get roosts off easily throughout the match. The problem with 100 base speed however, is that it speed ties with Ninetales, which is why it is being ruled as a check, and not a counter.
Zard walls walls Ninetales unboosted easily, as Fire Blast does a measly 34.5 - 40.6% in sun , and can then roost off the damage, or threaten to hit back with sun boosted Fire Blast (37.6 - 44.5%). Ninetales can Nasty Plot up on Zard, but has to worry about being worn down by the repeated Fire Blasts, or Toxic, and then has to worry about the Sun turns being used up, as without the sun, Ninetales is inherently kinda weak.
With this investment, Zard has some hp to be used as a check to many things in the meta with its great defensive typing, and still packing a punch with its special attack. And the best part is, after forcing Tales out, Zard still has the sun in it's favor to Blast things away.
Katy
Banned deucer.
Drampa @ Leftovers
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 220 HP / 252 SpA / 36 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dragon Pulse
- Flamethrower
- Hyper Voice
- Roost
is a very good check to ninetales because drampa's dragon typing allows it to resist ninetales fire stab in fire blast. drampa Also resists ninetales most common second slot insolar beam and also takes very little damage from psyshock. drampa also doesnt get 3 Ohkoed by ninetales fire blast in the sun while in return drampa can 2 ohko it with hyper voice.
drampa also has access to recovery in roost which allows it to perfectly check ninetales both offensively and defensively. overall drampa is a great offensive check to ninetales.
calcs:
252+ SpA Drampa Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Ninetales: 157-186 (54.7 - 64.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Drampa Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Ninetales in Sun: 83-98 (28.9 - 34.1%) -- 2.9% chance to 3HKO
252+ SpA Drampa Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Ninetales: 166-196 (57.8 - 68.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 220 HP / 0 SpD Drampa in Sun: 106-126 (30.1 - 35.7%) -- 34.9% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Ninetales Solar Beam vs. Sap Sipper Drampa: 0-0 (0 - 0%) -- possibly the worst move ever
252 SpA Ninetales Psyshock vs. 220 HP / 0 Def Drampa: 73-87 (20.7 - 24.7%) -- possible 5HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 220 HP / 0 SpD Drampa in Sun: 212-250 (60.2 - 71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Ninetales Psyshock vs. 220 HP / 0 Def Drampa: 146-172 (41.4 - 48.8%) -- 15.2% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Drampa Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Ninetales in Sun: 83-98 (28.9 - 34.1%) -- 2.9% chance to 3HKO
252+ SpA Drampa Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Ninetales: 166-196 (57.8 - 68.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 220 HP / 0 SpD Drampa in Sun: 106-126 (30.1 - 35.7%) -- 34.9% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Ninetales Solar Beam vs. Sap Sipper Drampa: 0-0 (0 - 0%) -- possibly the worst move ever
252 SpA Ninetales Psyshock vs. 220 HP / 0 Def Drampa: 73-87 (20.7 - 24.7%) -- possible 5HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 220 HP / 0 SpD Drampa in Sun: 212-250 (60.2 - 71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Ninetales Psyshock vs. 220 HP / 0 Def Drampa: 146-172 (41.4 - 48.8%) -- 15.2% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
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Mudsdale @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Heavy Slam
- Earthquake
- Body Press
- Rock Slide
Mudsdale with an Assault Vest is not 2HKOd by Solar Beam or Fire Blast in the Sun and is not OHKOd by +2 of either moves. Mudsdale also OHKOs Ninetales with Earthquake.
This is a CHECK.
252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Mudsdale in Sun: 153-180 (37.8 - 44.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Ability: Stamina
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Heavy Slam
- Earthquake
- Body Press
- Rock Slide
Mudsdale with an Assault Vest is not 2HKOd by Solar Beam or Fire Blast in the Sun and is not OHKOd by +2 of either moves. Mudsdale also OHKOs Ninetales with Earthquake.
This is a CHECK.
252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Mudsdale in Sun: 153-180 (37.8 - 44.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Counter:
Appletun @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Dragon Pulse
- Recover
- Apple Acid
- Earthquake
Thanks to his type + thick fat+ the decent bulk it has , the apple is one of the only mons in the tier that is able to avoid the 2hko from tales attacks at +2 , while thanks to his acess to eq it 2hko's in return , meaning that in a situation in which the apple its at full health its always going to win bar hax vs tales.
Appletun @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Dragon Pulse
- Recover
- Apple Acid
- Earthquake
Thanks to his type + thick fat+ the decent bulk it has , the apple is one of the only mons in the tier that is able to avoid the 2hko from tales attacks at +2 , while thanks to his acess to eq it 2hko's in return , meaning that in a situation in which the apple its at full health its always going to win bar hax vs tales.
+2 252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Thick Fat Appletun in Sun: 163-193 (38.4 - 45.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Appletun Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ninetales: 160-190 (55.7 - 66.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 Atk Appletun Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ninetales: 160-190 (55.7 - 66.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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Nomming spdef Claydol as a check.
Claydol @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
Claydol can't be 2HKO'd by Ninetales by any move when they both come in fresh, while Claydol can 2HKO with Earthquake. Ninetales can plot but still will not gain enough power to OHKO with either solarbeam or fireblast.
Claydol @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
Claydol can't be 2HKO'd by Ninetales by any move when they both come in fresh, while Claydol can 2HKO with Earthquake. Ninetales can plot but still will not gain enough power to OHKO with either solarbeam or fireblast.
4 Atk Claydol Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ninetales: 204-242 (71 - 84.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Ninetales Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Claydol: 122-144 (37.6 - 44.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Claydol in Sun: 126-148 (38.8 - 45.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Claydol in Sun: 249-294 (76.8 - 90.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Ninetales Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Claydol: 242-286 (74.6 - 88.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Ninetales Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Claydol: 122-144 (37.6 - 44.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Claydol in Sun: 126-148 (38.8 - 45.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Claydol in Sun: 249-294 (76.8 - 90.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Ninetales Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Claydol: 242-286 (74.6 - 88.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Passimian @ Choice Band
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Knock Off
- Earthquake
- U-turn
There is not much to say about passimian, it is a great check of ninetals since you can do OHKO with CC or EQ and you can even win romentum with u-turn if the necessary can hold 2 blows of psychock and have more than 70% of taking a hit from fire blast
252 Atk Choice Band Passimian Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ninetales: 352-415 (122.6 - 144.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Passimian Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ninetales: 392-462 (136.5 - 160.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Passimian in Sun: 297-351 (87 - 102.9%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Ninetales Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Passimian: 138-164 (40.4 - 48%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
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Piloswine @ Eviolite
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Icicle Crash
- Ice Shard
Check. Needs to come in safely without question. The reason for this is despite Thicc Fat, it cannot take 2 Fire Blasts in the sun:
252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Eviolite Thick Fat Piloswine in Sun: 200-236 (49.5 - 58.4%) -- 98.4% chance to 2HKO
But should it come in safely w/o taking damage, it easily drops Ninetales with a simple EQ:
252+ Atk Piloswine Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ninetales: 380-450 (132.4 - 156.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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As usual, vote for 2 checks & 2 counters. Voting will end Wednesday.
Checks: Drampa, Vaporeon
Counters: Snorlax, Coalossal
Checks: Drampa, Vaporeon
Counters: Snorlax, Coalossal
