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Pokémon Salamence
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252 Atk Choice Band Mamoswine Ice Shard vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Salamence: 264-312 (67 - 79.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
He can't even be OHKO'd with 4x SE priority.
I feel salamence is better used as a bulky subsetup sweeper
bulky setup set can be something, but 252 hp/252 def is way too much, it needs some speed and some attack investments to creep and hit for good damage even without boosts
I feel like the best sets will probably be mixed, pure offensive, and bulky DD (much like the lando-t bulky doubledance set). In my opinion it doesn't have the typing to go bulky with one attack (2x to rock, fairy, dragon, 4x to ice, all very common types). I also feel like pure special sets are wasting mega slots with m-latias sitting right there.
On the sub set, it does more than 50% to SpD Heatran at +1. Coverage isn't a issue when you're that strong and can set up on almost anything in the tier. You also have team mates, so Mence doesn't really have 4MSS. It's hands down the best (and cheapest) 'mon in OU right now.
Lol. Is there any other reason to choose between the two? Or is it just for Ditto mind-games?
I don't know about you guys but I get a bad feeling when Ditto can't even revenge-kill this guy properly.
What' the consensus on Moxie vs. Intimidate? If you bring Salamence in on weakened target, Moxie can be used to grab a quick kill a la Mega-Pinsir. Other than that it's the same debate as Pinsir, right? Moxie boost vs helpful set-up ability.
I didn't actually make that set, it was in the mega speculation thread but I can't find the post now.
So what do you sugest, other than 216 to speed creep. What is a good bulky ofensive spread?
I was wondering if it would be useful enough to drop Fire Blast for Stone Edge in an All-out attacker set if Salamance is paired with Magnezone and/or Talonflame. What I was thinking is that with a combination of Stone Edge and Draco meteor Mence could take care of Mons like Zapdos, Rotom-W? and Thundurus (just theorizing, i'm on my phone so can't do calcs) while Magnezone takes care of Ferro, Skarmoy and other Mons that would wall mance lacking fire coverage and Talón rounds the Birdspam.
Also, it could be used as middle ground for DD sets with Return and EQ/FB/Dragon move as it hits for at least neutral damage Skarm, Heatran and Rotom.
Also, it could be used as middle ground for DD sets with Return and EQ/FB/Dragon move as it hits for at least neutral damage Skarm, Heatran and Rotom.
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I heard a lot of people saying that Mega Mence would be the return of DPP Mence, and that the best set would end up being Mixmence, despite dumb ladder players who would want to spam DD.
imo, though, DD is just as fucking good, because DD completely wrecks offense/balance, while MixMence wrecks balance/stall.
Honestly, what on offense besides the most telegraphed of HP Ice / Ice Shard can OHKO this thing (...sometimes) without getting killed first? This thing can and will be able to set up on offense 90% of the time. And if it can't... it still wrecks you by making you sac.
Also, Healing Wish -> Mence Round 2 ruins any hope of letting offense outlast it.
This thing is a god.
imo, though, DD is just as fucking good, because DD completely wrecks offense/balance, while MixMence wrecks balance/stall.
Honestly, what on offense besides the most telegraphed of HP Ice / Ice Shard can OHKO this thing (...sometimes) without getting killed first? This thing can and will be able to set up on offense 90% of the time. And if it can't... it still wrecks you by making you sac.
Also, Healing Wish -> Mence Round 2 ruins any hope of letting offense outlast it.
This thing is a god.
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For the physical and sub DD you probably want to use Moxie, because you're mainly using physical moves, for the special attacking set you probably want to use intimidate because an attack boost won't help you too much, and for the MixMence it's really up to you.
EDIT: You might want to run intimidate on Sub DD now that i'm looking at it. Extra DDs are always helpful. Really up to you however.
I feel that intimidate > moxie always. Intimidate prevents you from getting killed by a lot of things like freaking jolly scarf chomp after rocks, and lets you tank hits/cripple mons in general more easily.
Moxie is a) telegraphed (since you can tell it's moxie if you don't get the atk drop), and b) requires you to not mega-evolve, meaning you don't get the speed boost and are more easily outsped by something like, say, Lati.
Intimidate is one of the best abilities in the game, on one of the best megas in the game. Moxie is fun, but objectively less reliable.
Edit: changed revenged to killed. freudian slip, my bad - qways
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By what though? After a DD it's pretty much GG
Unless you run a banded mamoswine on all your teams revenge killing him is extremely difficult.
wat, intimidate doesn't help not being revenge killed, it makes setup easier by forcing the switch or by taking less damage.
a revenge killer is supposed to come in after you killed someone, thus it doesn't get the attack drop from intimidate
I think he's saying that the attack boost can help take out revenge killers with moxie
oh yeah sorry misread :C
All moxie does is give you a +1 to your attack. If a revenge killer it ment to come in and just flat out destroy you than that extra attack won't make a difference. You're better off switching or having a better setup oppertunity with intimidate. Besides, substitute would be better to prevent being revenge killed.
* think the FSD core would work best. DDmence (DE, DMetor, EQ), CSpecs Magnezone and AV Azumarril. Maggy traps steels, Azumarril checks Banded Mamoswine's Ice Shard and can KO with Waterfall or Aqua Jet. Latias can provide Defog support and a second chance for it[Salamence] to sweep with Healing Wish if to much reoil has been taken, Mence has been statused. The only thing I cant nail down is the EV spread, so far enough health to allow 5 switchins into SR, about 40 Attack EVs, 216 speed and rest into Sp.Atk.
A physical attack is obviously going to do a considerable chunk to a pokemon that's not invested in defensive, even if its resisted. If Mence becomes an issue, people will adjust, maybe by using hp ice on rotom or heatran for dragons like they used to do before. And a good team needs to rely on its teammates for it to excel.
Alright, changed
I've actually been loving the offensive DD mega mence. While not as bulky as its fatter brethrens, it hits harder and is faster. the latter, in particular, has been a great asset for me, esp with so many other mega mences running amok. Furthermore, I'v been using the offensive DD set with sub over fie blast/outrage/d claw/hydro pump (lol hyrdro pump). And it's been doing wonders.
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