Okay but in reality, it's going to be banned so let's plan ahead when Sceptile can actually see good use! Also Bug is just kinda bad coverage, so I wouldn't opt for it
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Pokémon Sceptile
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Probably best to stay away from physical moves not named EQ. You have focus miss for fighting coverage anyway.
Also worth pointing out that AV Azu can still survive a M-Scept Leaf Storm if SR is not up, and can play rough+aqua jet for the KO. EDIT: Azu would need at least 160 EVs in SpD and 96 in HP to do this, though.
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I think you're really limiting the scope of Sceptile's viability simply because Salamence exists. Honestly, Sceptile's presence puts pressure on Salamence coming onto the field. Its natural speed gives it the initial edge and STAB Dragon Pulse can OHKO many bulky variants as well, especially with rocks. So Sceptile with rocks on the field makes Salamence's job significantly more difficult than usual. Unless your opponent just plays flawlessly, Sceptile on a HO Volturn team can put in work. I haven't been swept by a Salamence yet.
Also SD Sceptile is simply not a great set. It's done better by so many others and doesn't fully utilize Sceptile's potential. Hit hard and fast and get out. Don't leave yourself vulnerable.
Also SD Sceptile is simply not a great set. It's done better by so many others and doesn't fully utilize Sceptile's potential. Hit hard and fast and get out. Don't leave yourself vulnerable.
Yeah, as said by Jaroda. Sceptile doesn't utilize Swords dance aswell as others do. Garchomp does SD better, there's probably others that I'm not thinking off. You really have to use Sceptile to realise the sheer power that it packs. Almost unresisted coverage and terrifying speed and sp.attack makes Sceptile excellent for destroy HO. I've gone into games predicting something like Rotom-W to lead. And with Rotom-W it's almost always a free substitute. Behind a substitute if your opponent isn't rocking Altaria or Chansey the chances of you getting a kill is immense. I can definitely see Sceptile in A+ or even S rank. It doesn't need a lot of support. SR helps but the ability to gets subs up, outspeed and 2HKO every dragon and almost unresisted coverage makes is a force of nature heh
What set are you running? Just the standard sub + 3 attacks?
Stallbreaker mew does nothing to Sceptile when it's behind a sub, but yeah. Knock off support or trapping in general is great.
Yes sir
252 SpA Sceptile Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 104+ SpD Mew: 109-130 (26.9 - 32.1%) -- 51.8% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
mega sceptile does nothing too and mew can pp stall it with its recovery move
0 Atk Mew Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Sceptile: 60-71 (21.3 - 25.2%) -- 0.1% chance to 4HKO
it's also true that mew has only 0.1% to break the sub but the fact is that it wins the 1v1 because it can taunt and prevent sceptile to get up its sub
It can only use taunt when a sub is broken. And since sceptile out speeds, it'll always get the sub up before mew can prevent it.
We'll see, I think it's going to be really high. It's got a lot going for it.
I agree that A is likely the highest it will go due to his god awful defenses and lack of a special boosting move. Otherwise he does very well at his job. However the increased usage of ice type moves, mainly ice shard, is a huge hindrance to his effectiveness in the present meta game. So at the moment I'm actually going to say he'll start off around B+ rank but once Salamence inevitably goes, ice shard will decrease in usage and consequentially Sceptile will increase in effectiveness.
taunt goes through sub so sceptile will be forced to attack while mew would keep spamming knock off for break it (even tho as i said only max damage would be able to pick it off)
Taunt works on a Pokemon behind a sub, if I'm not mistaken...
Oh my mistake. Giga drain would still provide the recovery needed to beat mew 1 on 1 though, wouldn't it?
no because roost and giga drain have the same pps and since mew has to go for the taunt at least once giga drain would have less pps than roost in few turns
also i dont guess sceptile wanna waste all its gigas for beat a single mon. if sceptile wants to attack with a different move thats fine because it doesnt get its little recovery and mew would spam knock off/roost
Actually Sceptile does beat mew 1v1, the damage that Sceptile deals makes it so mew cannot will-o-wisp it without dying. Since Energy ball does 45% mew would have to roost every other turn to keep up with Sceptile, Sceptile could constantly go for Energy ball and wait for the Sp.Def drop while Mew has to roost constantly.
except energy ball is inferior to giga drain/leaf storm in most other instances so this isn't exactly a realistic/ideal scenario
252 SpA Sceptile Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 104+ SpD Mew: 132-156 (32.6 - 38.6%) -- 2.6% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
that will never be a 2ohko unless sdef drop but yeah most sceptiles do pack giga drain to get back their hp lost for getting up the sub, some variants might not run sub with energy ball but that makes mew's work much easier as it can burn and stall out
that will never be a 2ohko unless sdef drop but yeah most sceptiles do pack giga drain to get back their hp lost for getting up the sub, some variants might not run sub with energy ball but that makes mew's work much easier as it can burn and stall out
Alright, but Mew isn't exactly a counter. Just a hard check, since with the Sp.def drop it can be dealt with. So that still leaves Chansey/Blissey as hard counters
Empoleon makes a great partner with Sceptile, at least in theory. Double resist to ice, resists all of Sceptile's other weaknesses, and has that immunity to poison, which means a safe switch on predicted toxics. In return, Sceptile's lightningrod protects from electric attacks. Empoleon can be used primarily as a pivot with defog/scald/toxic/filler, but because it has no reliable recovery this partnership kind of falls flat. Perhaps with wish passing or Healing Wish Latias this could be more viable, tbh I'm not the greatest teambuilder so I'm not sure how far this core could fly.
i may agree but i dont see many electric users around right now bar like rotom-w and thundurus so i think sceptile's ability is disappointing. a great partner though might be gyarados because it forces electric attacks or twave so you can switch out and get the boost
Emperor has some very weak recovery options, like Aqua Ring+ Protect, coupled with Leftovers. But that eats up half your move slots, and chances are you need Scald and/or Flash Cannon plus Defog in the other slots.
Sceptile's ability comes into play specifically to say that Prankster TWave is worthless which opens your ability to go all out on a Thundurous, Klefki, Ferrothorn, Rotom, or any other mon packing that move.
As a strong special sweeper, he is the new Hydreigon with the added bonus of not being able to be paralyzed or leech seeded. Pairs very well with non Mega Gyarados and Talonflame as a FWG core because the latter two bait the electricity hard.
Sceptile's ability comes into play specifically to say that Prankster TWave is worthless which opens your ability to go all out on a Thundurous, Klefki, Ferrothorn, Rotom, or any other mon packing that move.
As a strong special sweeper, he is the new Hydreigon with the added bonus of not being able to be paralyzed or leech seeded. Pairs very well with non Mega Gyarados and Talonflame as a FWG core because the latter two bait the electricity hard.
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