Scizor (SubLiechi)

MackTheKnife

QC: 0/3
QC Rejected: 2/3






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Set​

name: Sub-Liechi
move 1: Agility
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Bug Bite
move 4: Bullet Punch
item: Liechi Berry
ability: Technician
nature: Jolly / Adamant
EVs: 12 HP /252 Atk /244 Spe


Set Comments:​

  • This set is very similar to Empoleon Sub-Peyata set. Agility on switch, and Substitute until Scizor is low on health. After that, you can use his two STAB moves, that also have that useful Technician boost.
  • You can use Jolly if you feel that you have not enough SPD and enough ATK. On the Other hand, you could use Adamant to boost that already sufficient ATK.
  • 12 HP EVs because then the HP is divisible by 4, and itll take lets turns to set up. 252 Atk because then its able to maximize its sweeping potential. 244 Spd because it outspeed every that isnt scarfed, as well as the majority that is Scarfed, then i can transfer some of it into HP then its easier to set up.

    Teammates and Counters​
  • A counter to this set is Gyarados, as he resists all of Scizors attacks, So Zapdos makes a fine partner because he resists two of the three moves that Gyarados has (well, one is super effective), but I doubt that Gyarados would use Stone Edge to take out a Scizor, so its safe to switch.
  • A specific Pokemon that make a good partner for Scizor is Tyranitar. He can block off any Fire moves, but he has to be wary of Fighting. Any Flying type might make trouble for Scizor, Tyranitar is waiting with his big set of Stone Edges.Another very obvious good partner is Heatran, as he can take in the Fire move and continue on to sweep.

READ:
Pretty fat skeleton, and since i often get confused wth what an analysis is, post it and ill edit :3
 
Scizor doesn't have an analysis yet, I notice that there is an analysis that has been written (see above) The proper procedure is not to claim all the glory by yourself, but to PM the stuff that you have done to the person who has reserved the analysis.

You don't need an overview for a set.

Teammates and Counters should be Additional Comments instead, in which you explain your EV spread and your reason for using that certain spread.

WHICH brings me to my next part in which your AC has to state that Bullet Punch is to be used with Technician and X-scissor with Swarm.

I've also noticed that your EV layout is wrong, it should be: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe, as the order to put them is: HP / Atk / Def / SpA / SpD / Spe...

Actually, your entire layout is wrong, I'll lay it out for you, just copy and paste

name: Sub-Liechi
move 1: Agility
move 2: Substitute
move 3: X-scissor / Bullet Punch
move 4: Reversal
item: Liechi Berry
nature: Jolly / Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

I recommend that you take your 4 SpD EVs away and 8 Speed EVs and put the total of 12 into HP. Therefore, your HP is divisible by 4 and your Liechi berry will activate after 3 subs, not 4.

Which might be necessary for OHKOs
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Do a few calcs yourself, that's your job, not the QCs and certainly not the users. You can do your calcs here: www.smogon.com/calc/

I don't think Bullet Punch is really necessary for this set in terms of speed. If you run 244 speed EVs and Jolly, you hit 498 speed after an agility, sufficient to outspeed all non-Choice Scarf using Pokemon, and the majority of the Choice Scarf using population. In your Teammates and Counters section, you don't need the Hippowdon part mentioning how it can Roar to scout, that's useful on all teams in general. Btw, you don't mention any counters (which fits into AC) therefore, you didn't really mention any successful way to "counter the counters"

I'm not sure if you can still post this set without being infracted, however, the two rejected ones WERE from 4th gen. So this might have a chance of surviving... But I honestly doubt this sets viability, although it resists most priority moves, it still gets KOed due to it's frail defenses... If you're talking about something like a Bullet Punch from CB Scizor or Lucario Extremespeed, you're going to be taking about 25% damage. Completely inferior to Empoleon's 4x resistance to Bullet Punch and ability to survive LO boosted Lucario Extremespeed. Also, the only reason Empoleon really needs the sub-petaya set is because it doesn't have a reliable priority move other than Aqua Jet, which is based on it's inferior attacking stat, whilst Scizor actually has a (extremely) reliable priority move, Bullet Punch, which is capable of 2HKOing most anything that doesn't resist it.

I actually doubt it's ability to survive any fire moves at 25%.... 4x weakness means that if the move was neutral, it would have to take less than 6%.
 
Got it, I didnt notice that. And before editing anything ill research up more rules for next time, and so i wont make these mistakes again, so i guess for the next time ill keep it as a simple skeleton. So what should i do? Should i delete the analysis for this pokemon, edit the adittional comments and put it in the tight format?
 
Then, I completely degrade reversal on this set, you might as well put Bullet Punch and X-scissor together, cause if you have like 1%, a Ratata's Quick Attack will whip you to hell and back. Night Slash is also an option.

If you're going to go with the X-scissor + Bullet Punch, then I'd recommend Bug Bite with Bullet Punch so you can use Technician.
 
just posting to say, you should have suggested it to me, rather than posting it yourself as I run the Scizor analysis. If you're gonna suggest something, drop me a PM and ill think about it. good luck finding some more sets! and a tip, don't look for Scizor sets coz he doesn't have much versatility.
 
Sorry but this isn't viable in the slightest. You plan on OHKOing everything with a +1 Bug Bite / Bullet Punch, meaning not only are you relatively weak, but you're walled by almost every Steel-type, Gyarados, Zapdos, and more.

QC Rejected (1/3)
 
with technician and stab.....but yeah. well....okay. but i have a question, do you think itll be better if i use reversal and change the subs to four to actuvate?
 
No because there are still many things that can wall you at +1 Attack and there's just too much priority in the metagame for this to be effective (Azumarril, Conkeldurr, etc).
 
I could see a Swords Dance Sub Salac set *maybe* working on Scizor. It would need a Fighting move to get past Steel-types though. Basically switch the boosts of this set and you could have something workable. I'd also argue that Swarm could be a useful ability on this set but by the looks of it this won't be open long enough for me to make that argument.

I haven't tested this specific set but I've played against Scizor enough to know that you're not sweeping anything with only +1 attack and the terrible coverage given by Bug+Steel.
 
Yeah, I would say that Scizor's main issue is lack of coverage more so than lack of speed, which Substitute does nothing to remedy.

QC Rejected 2/3
 
I'd agree with this, throughout 4th gen, and my slight experience at 5th gen. I have used Scizor to be a sort of scout or revenge killer using U-turn and Bullet Punch respectively. Sure, a +1 STAB Technician Bullet Punch does a chunk of damage to anything that doesn't resist it, however, I believe CB Scizor does a better job at it.
 
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