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Pokémon Scizor
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I mean, what happens to the power? Does it stay at 65? It'd be pretty ridiculous if it got to stay at 130 because they'd keep having an item.
I...... Don't understand what you are asking me? Last I checked, bear in mind I don't know if knock off has been changed this gen, last I checked, it's power does not increase if you can keep your item, or if you have none.
It does in this gen. That's a viable question, actually, not just for Mega evolutions but also for potentially countering Ghostceus.
252+ SpA Scizor Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD (custom): 76-90 (29.11 - 34.48%) -- 3.54% chance to 3HKO
Changed zors 55 SpA to 65 and the rest is aegislashs base stats. Zor isn't doing shit to aegislash.
He means whether or not Knock Off is boosted to 130 damage every time you hit a mega since they don't lose their stone. I don't know whether or not it is, I believe it would be since they will be holding an item even if hit with Knock Off.
They're referring to Aegislash using it against Scizor.
The transition to 6th gen was more kind to Scizor than harsh. Not resisting Shadow Ball doesn't matter so much when Mega Scizor avoids the 2HKO from Modest Mega Gengar's Shadow Ball:
- 252+ SpA Mega Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mega Scizor: 127-150 (36.91 - 43.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
Although Mega Scizor will rarely use a +SpD nature, Mega Gengar will rarely use a Modest nature too. Mega Scizor can now check physical powerhouses such as Terrakion, Mamoswine, and CB Tyranitar with its amazing 70 / 140 physical bulk, giving it even more utility on a team. Being able to tank a +2 Acrobatics from Talonflame and deal a decent chunk back with Bullet Punch is a nice pro over its fellow priority users too (Breloom, Azumarill, and Mamo die to +2 Acrobatics).
And of course, Mega Scizor will save Ubers from the wrath of Xerneas!
How many Scizor will run 252/252 Special Defensive though? Gengar can still 2HKO without that massive extra boost.
I don't think this gen was either kind or harsh to Scizor. Much like Gen5, it didn't get much of anything, but the game is still in a place where it can shine. And what it did get here is notable - Mega Scizor has some impressive bulk on its great type.
I don't think this gen was either kind or harsh to Scizor. Much like Gen5, it didn't get much of anything, but the game is still in a place where it can shine. And what it did get here is notable - Mega Scizor has some impressive bulk on its great type.
If your team has trouble with Mega Gengar use 252 / 252, simple as that. Even with max SpD investment, Adamant Mega Scizor still hits harder than Adamant Scizor with 40 Atk EVs, so your EV spread on Mega Scizor can be really flexible depending to your team's needs.
It doesn't hit better than a normal Adamant Scizor holding an item, though, which is where the problem sets in.
Though I can see Scizor being used as a Gengar counter if push comes to shove. Not to many of those around - maybe Immunity Snorlax? I dunno.
Though I can see Scizor being used as a Gengar counter if push comes to shove. Not to many of those around - maybe Immunity Snorlax? I dunno.
Specially Defensive SD Scizor was using Leftovers most of the time in 5th gen, so Mega Scizor would still be stronger than this variant.
Oh, well, then that's a fair point. Mega Scizor remains one of the most viable counters to Gengar on a more Offensive team.
You definitely misread what I posted. I said Aegislash can run HP Fire easily, since it has that amazing 150 base Special Attack due to Stance Change.
Ooo, that's a good point actually. It might not learn it in gen 6, but it will be avaible in December
Bug Bite and Superpower for Scizor may turn out like Seismic Toss for Chansey. That is, available in earlier a Gens, but not in later ones. You'll have to wait until December and transfer one from Gen V.
Scizor or its mega....its #1 counter is still a magnet pull/HP Fire Magnezone. Good thing its niche now but may have a comeback of sorts.
Xerneas is probably going to be the most overused pokemon in ubers thanks to the hype of fairy types, geomancy and all the legendary dragons, so anything that counters it effectively, like Mega-Scizor, will be on the fast track to ubers.
On another note, has the whole knock-off being at 65 power and doubling if there is a held item been confirmed? Can't find anything to prove it......
Honestly, between the Mega Evolution making Scizor more able to sweep, Bullet Punch becoming better in regards to offensive typing [Due to Fairy], and the fact... well... Scizor has even more than he did before, when he was dominateing Gen 4 and Gen 5 OU despite not being a direct weather abuser, I wouldn't be shocked if this Gen Scizor goes Uber. After all, Scizor does the exact same thing, except it looks like he does it even better than before.
Unless, of course, the nerf to Steel's resists puts him down enough to make up for the fact his SD set has become even stronger than it was before, and CB Bullet Punch is even BETTER.
But, only time will tell if the resist nerfs to Steel are enough to keep Scizor manageable. We don't know enough about Gen6 yet honestly to say for sure.
Unless, of course, the nerf to Steel's resists puts him down enough to make up for the fact his SD set has become even stronger than it was before, and CB Bullet Punch is even BETTER.
But, only time will tell if the resist nerfs to Steel are enough to keep Scizor manageable. We don't know enough about Gen6 yet honestly to say for sure.
It doesn't matter how good Scizor is in Ubers he won't go there past his own merits in OU being unhealthy for the metagame.
How do you think Defog Scizor/Mega Scizor will do?
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