With SPL becoming a 12 slot tour this year, and the necessity from the community previously for SCL to mirror SPL, it seems only natural for SCL to also move to a 12 slot tour. With all the argument for mirroring SPL and creating a balance between the two tours, there should really be no debate over this I hope? Equal status and symmetry and whatnot.
I think Monotype should be in SCL. Not gonna rehash every argument from the past as they’ve been beat to death in these two threads below. Nothing has changed since with the transition to SV. There's not too much to add here except Mono would be an obvious add, and maybe a 4th OU slot.
(https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/tiers-in-scl.3684908/page-3#post-8869375)
(https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/st-patrick-and-the-casting-out-of-snakes.3674227/#post-8676207)
However, if SCL does does stay at 10 slots, I would like to bring up Monotype over LC or PU. I'm not the most informed on these tiers sure, but I watched plenty of lc last year in scl and slam this year. Speed ties turn 1 deciding games half the time and more. This tier to me is barely Pokemon and I know it’s not exactly a sentiment I am alone in sharing. https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/lc-in-official-tournaments.3694445/ bit old but this kinda says it all. It hasn’t exactly gotten better or more liked since.
Pu is a different case but I think monotype offers more by far at this stage and this post from a while ago covers all that pretty well. https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/tiers-in-scl.3684908/page-2#post-8866523 Adding to this, the only PU suspect this generation got 14 qualified voters. Fourteen. Sure one suspect isn't indicative of the whole story but there’s really no excuse for that number, and that’s really no way to convince anyone that a tier is thriving or people are invested in it or that it deserves a place in a trophy tour. Yeah it’s in slam but at this point should it really be? It’s a dreadful excuse for keeping Monotype out of SCL. Monotype is on the way up and has been for long. PU has gone the opposite direction. The tier last SCL had the highest number of different players play in pu games. Maybe I am reaching but this and the fact that 14 people bothered to get votes for a suspect says that either 1) the ‘mainers’ don’t bring enough to the table 2) there aren’t enough actual pu players 3) the tier is genuinely horseshit (which I really don’t think it is). Or some combination of these. Whatever. Shit apparently a couple of these were apparently from a suspect tour so the number that bothered to get reqs is even smaller? lol anyway this tier is obviously not in a good place and in my opinion doesn’t belong in any tour over monotype, especially scl.
I know this came off hostile and I apologize but ultimately these tiers are either not making tours better or they do not have the active playerbase to warrant a spot in these tours. LC has never been a more competitive tier than Monotype. The singular thing both tiers have over monotype at this point is that they were here first. And sure that counts for something but these situations haven’t improved at all, they just continue to get worse. I know people will be mad over my opinions on LC and PU and I do think expanding to 12 slots makes the most sense. I was pro 10-slot spl but with that changed I think expanding SCL is the obvious choice. I’m hoping I’m not in the minority that sees it that way. However I also think Mono can provide more to the betterment of tournaments than either of these slots if forced to stay at 10. These tiers have had their chances. Plenty of them. Give monotype 1.
I think Monotype should be in SCL. Not gonna rehash every argument from the past as they’ve been beat to death in these two threads below. Nothing has changed since with the transition to SV. There's not too much to add here except Mono would be an obvious add, and maybe a 4th OU slot.
(https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/tiers-in-scl.3684908/page-3#post-8869375)
(https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/st-patrick-and-the-casting-out-of-snakes.3674227/#post-8676207)
However, if SCL does does stay at 10 slots, I would like to bring up Monotype over LC or PU. I'm not the most informed on these tiers sure, but I watched plenty of lc last year in scl and slam this year. Speed ties turn 1 deciding games half the time and more. This tier to me is barely Pokemon and I know it’s not exactly a sentiment I am alone in sharing. https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/lc-in-official-tournaments.3694445/ bit old but this kinda says it all. It hasn’t exactly gotten better or more liked since.
Pu is a different case but I think monotype offers more by far at this stage and this post from a while ago covers all that pretty well. https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/tiers-in-scl.3684908/page-2#post-8866523 Adding to this, the only PU suspect this generation got 14 qualified voters. Fourteen. Sure one suspect isn't indicative of the whole story but there’s really no excuse for that number, and that’s really no way to convince anyone that a tier is thriving or people are invested in it or that it deserves a place in a trophy tour. Yeah it’s in slam but at this point should it really be? It’s a dreadful excuse for keeping Monotype out of SCL. Monotype is on the way up and has been for long. PU has gone the opposite direction. The tier last SCL had the highest number of different players play in pu games. Maybe I am reaching but this and the fact that 14 people bothered to get votes for a suspect says that either 1) the ‘mainers’ don’t bring enough to the table 2) there aren’t enough actual pu players 3) the tier is genuinely horseshit (which I really don’t think it is). Or some combination of these. Whatever. Shit apparently a couple of these were apparently from a suspect tour so the number that bothered to get reqs is even smaller? lol anyway this tier is obviously not in a good place and in my opinion doesn’t belong in any tour over monotype, especially scl.
I know this came off hostile and I apologize but ultimately these tiers are either not making tours better or they do not have the active playerbase to warrant a spot in these tours. LC has never been a more competitive tier than Monotype. The singular thing both tiers have over monotype at this point is that they were here first. And sure that counts for something but these situations haven’t improved at all, they just continue to get worse. I know people will be mad over my opinions on LC and PU and I do think expanding to 12 slots makes the most sense. I was pro 10-slot spl but with that changed I think expanding SCL is the obvious choice. I’m hoping I’m not in the minority that sees it that way. However I also think Mono can provide more to the betterment of tournaments than either of these slots if forced to stay at 10. These tiers have had their chances. Plenty of them. Give monotype 1.
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