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Pokémon Scolipede

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WebBowser said:
Not at all my good friend, not at all. While LO cleaner scolipede is 100% viable, Iron Defense Scolipede is still just as dangerous as before when given even a single free turn. I have been running mono-BP since even before the nerf and have only benefited from the recent changes. Here is a very good replay showing just how powerful scolipede can be given a free swap in.

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/oususpecttest-141292583

Here we have Gengar vs Latios. I win the speed tie and get a light screen up (at least I think it was a speed tie), allowing me to tank the shadow ball easily. I then set up reflect as he subbed. Taking advantage of the light screen, I swap in scolipede, who takes the shadow ball easily. Iron defense and passed to espeon, knowing I needed that light screen to beat gengar. I should've attacked there, but I decided to try to setup. A CM war ensues, but due to a lack of crit, espeon eventually won. Yes, espeon managed to beat stallbreaker gengar with a sub up, despite my earlier misplay. I then go on to kill chomp and got RKed by talonflame. I sent in scarfed terrak to threaten talonflame back out and lure in scizor. After a few turns of goofing off, I convinced his mega scizor to take the bait and kill terrakion, giving my latios a free swap in and duel screens. He tries to setup, but memento allowed latios to get scolipede in on a +0 megazor, who is total setup bait. I get +6 defense and subs and passed to zard-x, the forfeit came shortly after.

His only misplay was a perfectly reasonable prediction with megazor, yet scolipede and latios were able to come in multiple times and setup very dangerous sweepers who bypassed their usual checks. I made a much more serious misplay when I didn't kill gengar immediately with espeon and allowed my screens to wear off.

ID Scolipede is still and always will be a threat as long as he's legal, mark my words.
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Actually, since posting this I have faced a couple of really tough baton pass teams featuring scolipede, espeon and smeargle. Guess I was I wrong on that front. Went one and one against them. I assumed focus sash smeargle for some reason. Derp. Scolipede wrecked the other guy though. One swords dance when his scolipede used protect and his chain was doomed.
 
mac1275 said:
Actually, since posting this I have faced a couple of really tough baton pass teams featuring scolipede, espeon and smeargle. Guess I was I wrong on that front. Went one and one against them. I assumed focus sash smeargle for some reason. Derp. Scolipede wrecked the other guy though. One swords dance when his scolipede used protect and his chain was doomed.
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While obviously I have not seen the replay, the guy who protected in front of your scoli probably misplayed.

252+ Atk Life Orb Scolipede Rock Slide vs. 240 HP / 92 Def Scolipede: 195-231 (60.7 - 71.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Scolipede Rock Slide vs. +2 240 HP / 92 Def Scolipede: 99-117 (30.8 - 36.4%) -- 50.2% chance to 3HKO

Even in relatively bad matchups such as standard EVs vs LO scoli, he can iron defense and pass out with relatively little risk of a 2hko. I personally run fully defensive scolipede, which looks like this.

252+ Atk Life Orb Scolipede Rock Slide vs. 248 HP / 252 Def Scolipede: 166-198 (51.3 - 61.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Scolipede Rock Slide vs. +2 248 HP / 252 Def Scolipede: 86-101 (26.6 - 31.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

And as with any mirror matchup, you run the risk of speed tieing

252+ Atk Life Orb Scolipede Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Scolipede: 216-255 (82.7 - 97.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

So scolipede is really only a soft check to himself at best.

I'm not sure why you would be facing teams with both scolipede and smeargle on them though, thanks to BP clause MK II. Mindgame perhaps?
 
WebBowser said:
While obviously I have not seen the replay, the guy who protected in front of your scoli probably misplayed.

252+ Atk Life Orb Scolipede Rock Slide vs. 240 HP / 92 Def Scolipede: 195-231 (60.7 - 71.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Scolipede Rock Slide vs. +2 240 HP / 92 Def Scolipede: 99-117 (30.8 - 36.4%) -- 50.2% chance to 3HKO

Even in relatively bad matchups such as standard EVs vs LO scoli, he can iron defense and pass out with relatively little risk of a 2hko. I personally run fully defensive scolipede, which looks like this.

252+ Atk Life Orb Scolipede Rock Slide vs. 248 HP / 252 Def Scolipede: 166-198 (51.3 - 61.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Scolipede Rock Slide vs. +2 248 HP / 252 Def Scolipede: 86-101 (26.6 - 31.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

And as with any mirror matchup, you run the risk of speed tieing

252+ Atk Life Orb Scolipede Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Scolipede: 216-255 (82.7 - 97.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

So scolipede is really only a soft check to himself at best.

I'm not sure why you would be facing teams with both scolipede and smeargle on them though, thanks to BP clause MK II. Mindgame perhaps?
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He definitely misplayed. I figured he would go for iron defense, so I used swords dance and was ahead in the boosting shenanigans after his protect. It wasn't just one swords dance that did it. I simply won the mind games. He couldn't get a sub up to pass to espeon and smeargle was already damaged. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

And I got this for my calc with rock slide anyway. +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Scolipede Rock Slide vs. 240 HP / 92 Def Scolipede: 387-458 (120.5 - 142.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
And this is what I did +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Scolipede Earthquake vs. 240 HP / 92 Def Scolipede: 257-304 (80 - 94.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
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I know this has already been touched upon but why isn't Scolipede used more to sweep in OU? Sure, MissHorn and MissSlide can be dicey, but it has reasonable typing, reasonable bulk, a reasonable movepool, reasonable surprise factor, reasonable offensive capabilities AND Speed Boost (which is really fucking reasonable).

I've had great experiences with LO SD sets in the past... tbh I actually think eclipsed what this creepy customer can really do.

#Scol4Sweepz #BooToBPass
 
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JMach said:
Why isn't Scolipede used more to sweep in OU? Sure, MissHorn and MissSlide can be dicey, but it has reasonable typing, reasonable bulk, a reasonable movepool, reasonable surprise factor, reasonable offensive capabilities AND Speed Boost (which is really fucking reasonable).

I've had great experiences with LO SD sets in the past... I actually think Baton Pass eclipsed what this creepy customer can really do.
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I think Scolipede's greatest strength is that he has two exceedingly threatening, yet very different sets in his ID pass and SD sweeper sets. The opponent needs to react extremely quickly when dealing with both of them, but things that answer one don't necessarily stop the other. For example, tflame craps all over SD sets as long as it avoids swapping into rock slide, but fails to stop ID pass sets if scoli is still healthy, and is total setup bait for any recipient of the ID pass. Conversely, megazam completely destroys non megahorn ID sets, but dies immediately to more offensive sets, which always carry megahorn.
 
MegaHydra said:
Whats some good movesets for this centipede
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Depends on if you want to build a team around it or just add it to a team. Either way, this entire thread is filled with them. I like the sweeping sets, but a lot of peoole like the baton passing sets (of which there are a few) and I've even seen some Iinteresting leads.
 
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