Shuckle, Guard Split set (GP 2/2)

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"The foe's Tangrowth used Power Whip!
A critical hit!
Chansey lost 64 HP! (18% of its health)"

[SET]
name: Guard Split
move 1: Guard Split
move 2: Helping Hand
move 3: Toxic
move 4: Protect
item: Mental Herb / Lum Berry
ability: Sturdy
nature: Impish / Careful
evs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Guard Split is the main attraction to this set. Thanks to Shuckle having defensive stats can that reach into the 300's, the recipient of Guard Split has its defensive capabilities boosted through the roof. Shuckle's other moves are mainly for situations where using Guard Split is not favorable, or has already been used. Helping Hand allows Shuckle to strengthen its partner's attacks, while Toxic is used to wear foes down. Lastly, Protect allows Shuckle to scout for the opponent's attacks, and helps stall opposing Pokemon to death when used in tandem with Toxic.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>While the EV spread doesn't do much for Shuckle, it maximizes the effectiveness of Guard Split. Mental Herb prevents the opponent from stopping Shuckle in its tracks with Taunt; however, a Lum Berry can be used instead if you are worried about being afflicted with sleep from moves, such as Spore and Hypnosis.</p>

<p>The best recipient for Guard Split is Chansey, due to Eviolite further boosting the effects of Guard Split. After a Guard Split, even Terrakion's Close Combat will be a 4HKO, and because critical hits do not bypass the effects of Guard Split, Chansey becomes pretty much indestructible. Porygon2, Rhydon, Snorlax, and Blissey are also good recipients of Guard Split, though they are not nearly as hard to defeat as Chansey is after the boost.</p>

<p>Trick Room users, such as Cresselia, Jellicent and Chandelure, are effective at helping Shuckle set up, as Shuckle becomes the fastest Pokemon on the field under Trick Room, making it extremely hard to stop from using Guard Split. On the other hand, hard hitting sweepers, such as Latios, Salamence, and Rotom-A, are also effective partners for Shuckle. By threatening the opponent with powerful moves such as a Dragon Gem-boosted Draco Meteor, it can force the opponent to play defensively, providing an opportunity to switch out Shuckle's attacking partner in order to use Guard Split on the desired Pokemon. Alternatively, Shuckle can use Helping Hand to boost these Pokemon's attacks in an attempt to KO an opposing Pokemon.</p>
 
haha, I've seen this gimmick being used on the GBU before, to amazing effect. Truly annoying if you're not prepared for it.

The only real counter I can think of is just to flinch Shuckle as much as you can (Fake Out if it's leading, Air Slash Togekiss), so I would advise the use of Trick Room a bit more.
 
[qc]1/2[/qc]

Wow this new bbcode for QCing is pretty fantastic, and Guard Split Shuckle is pretty cool as well!
 
Would Power Split be slashable somewhere or ACable?

Anyway, this is a really cool set; have you tried out other mons outside of the 5 you mentioned like (for example) Amoonguss and Gastrodon?
 
Reuniclus and Jellicent for partners maybe? Both have massive HP and boostable defenses.

It could also by used on a light sweeper to give it some kind of buffer, not just on defensive teams, but offensive ones. Maybe.
 
Playing this on the GBU is absolutely maddening, especially when it takes your 15 minutes to win against a stalling Chansey with Double Team, only for the guy with >1000 wins to D/C. In Free Mode.

My complaining aside, this looks good, get it written.
[qc]2/2[/qc]
 
sorry for the delay, was pretty busy these past few days, I've written this up now.

breh said:
Would Power Split be slashable somewhere or ACable?

Anyway, this is a really cool set; have you tried out other mons outside of the 5 you mentioned like (for example) Amoonguss and Gastrodon?
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Power Split Shuckle is the set currently uploaded, so I don't have any reason to mention it on this set.

GatoDelFuego said:
Reuniclus and Jellicent for partners maybe? Both have massive HP and boostable defenses.

It could also by used on a light sweeper to give it some kind of buffer, not just on defensive teams, but offensive ones. Maybe.
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I've found that Guard Splitting onto a frail sweeper doesn't really help as much as one would like. Without an Eviolite, Guard Split will make their defenses roughly around Cresselia's level, though not with Cresselia's high HP bulk. It allows them to take 1 or 2 more hits at most, compared to a defensive Pokemon that becomes nearly indestructable. This is why the focus is on more defensive Pokemon, since execution of the strategy can decide the match there and then if the opponent doen't have an answer.
 
Amateur GP check
REMOVE CHANGE COMMENTS

[SET]
name: Guard Split
move 1: Guard Split
move 2: Helping Hand
move 3: Toxic
move 4: Protect
item: Mental Herb / Lum Berry
ability: Sturdy
nature: Impish / Careful
evs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Guard Split is the main attraction to this set. Due to Shuckle having both its defensive stats in the 300s, the recipient of the Guard Split has its defensive capabilities boosted through the roof. Shuckle's other moves are mainly for situations where using Guard Split is not favorable, or has already been used. Helping Hand allows Shuckle to strengthen its partner's attacks, while Toxic is used to wear foes down. Lastly, Protect allows Shuckle to scout for the opponent's attacks, and helps stall when used in tandem with Toxic.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>While the EV spread is inefficient for Shuckle's own survivability, it maximizes the effectiveness of Guard Split. Mental Herb is used to prevent the opponent from stopping the setup with Taunt, while a Lum Berry can be used instead if you are worried about Sleep (I think?) moves, such as Spore and Hypnosis.</p>

<p>The best recipient for Guard Split is Chansey, due to the Eviolite further boosting the effects of Guard Split. After a Guard Split, even Terrakion's Close Combat will be a 4HKO, and since critical hits do not bypass the effects of Guard Split, Chansey becomes pretty much indestructable. Porygon2, Rhydon, Snorlax, and Blissey are also good recipients of Guard Split, though not nearly as hard to defeat as Chansey is.</p>

<p>Trick Room using partners, such as Cresselia, Reuniclus, Jellicent, and Chandelure, can be good for getting Shuckle to set up, as after getting Trick Room activated, (remove comma) Shuckle will be extremely hard to stop from using Guard Split. On the other hand, hard hitting sweepers, such as Latios, Salamence, and Rotom-A, (add comma) are also effective partners for Shuckle. By threatening the opponent with moves such as Dragon Gem boosted Draco Meteors, it can force the opponent to play defensively, providing and opportunity to switch out the attacker and Shuckle to use Guard Split on the desired Pokemon. Alternatively, Shuckle can use Helping Hand to boost the attack, in an attempt to KO an opposing Pokemon.</p>
 
[SET]
name: Guard Split
move 1: Guard Split
move 2: Helping Hand
move 3: Toxic
move 4: Protect
item: Mental Herb / Lum Berry
ability: Sturdy
nature: Impish / Careful
evs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Guard Split is the main attraction to this set. DueThanks to Shuckle having both of its defensive stats inthat reach into the 300's, the recipient of the Guard Split has its defensive capabilities boosted through the roof. Shuckle's other moves are mainly for situations where using Guard Split is not favorable, or has already been used. Helping Hand allows Shuckle to strengthen its partner's attacks, while Toxic is used to wear foes down. Lastly, Protect allows Shuckle to scout for the opponent's attacks, and helps stall opposing Pokemon to death when used in tandem with Toxic.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>While the EV spread is inefficient for Shuckle's own survivability, it maximizes the effectiveness of Guard Split. Mental Herb is used to prevent the opponent from stopping the setup with Taunt, whiledoesn't do much for Shuckle, it maximizes the effectiveness of Guard Split. Mental Herb prevents your opponent from stopping Shuckle in its tracks with Taunt; however, a Lum Berry can be used instead if you are worried about being afflicted with Sleep from moves, such as Spore and Hypnosis.</p>

<p>The best recipient for Guard Split is Chansey, due to the Eviolite further boosting the effects of Guard Split. After a Guard Split, even Terrakion's Close Combat will be a 4HKO, and since critical hits do not bypass the effects of Guard Split, Chansey becomes pretty much indestructaible. Porygon2, Rhydon, Snorlax, and Blissey are also good recipients of Guard Split, though not nearly as hard to defeat as Chansey is after the boost.</p>

<p>Trick Room using partners, such as Cresselia, Jellicent, and Chandelure, are effective at getthelping Shuckle set up, as Shuckle becomes the fastest Pokemon on the field under Trick Room, making it extremely hard to stop from using Guard Split. On the other hand, hard hitting sweepers, such as Latios, Salamence, and Rotom-A, are also effective partners for Shuckle. By threatening the opponent with powerful moves, such as a Dragon Gem boosted Draco Meteors, it can force the opponent to play defensively, providing and opportunity to switch out the attacker and Shuckle to use Guard Split on the desired Pokemon. Alternatively, Shuckle can use Helping Hand to boost these Pokemon's attacks, in an attempt to KO an opposing Pokemon.</p>
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[SET]
name: Guard Split
move 1: Guard Split
move 2: Helping Hand
move 3: Toxic
move 4: Protect
item: Mental Herb / Lum Berry
ability: Sturdy
nature: Impish / Careful
evs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Guard Split is the main attraction to this set. Thanks to Shuckle having defensive stats that reach into the 300's, the recipient of Guard Split has its defensive capabilities boosted through the roof. Shuckle's other moves are mainly for situations where using Guard Split is not favorable, or has already been used. Helping Hand allows Shuckle to strengthen its partner's attacks, while Toxic is used to wear foes down. Lastly, Protect allows Shuckle to scout for the opponent's attacks, and helps stall opposing Pokemon to death when used in tandem with Toxic.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>While the EV spread doesn't do much for Shuckle, it maximizes the effectiveness of Guard Split. Mental Herb prevents your opponent from stopping Shuckle in its tracks with Taunt; however, a Lum Berry can be used instead if you are worried about being afflicted with Sleep from moves such as Spore and Hypnosis.</p>

<p>The best recipient for Guard Split is Chansey, due to the Eviolite further boosting the effects of Guard Split. After a Guard Split, even Terrakion's Close Combat will be a 4HKO, and since critical hits do not bypass the effects of Guard Split, Chansey becomes pretty much indestructible. Porygon2, Rhydon, Snorlax, and Blissey are also good recipients of Guard Split, though not nearly as hard to defeat as Chansey is after the boost.</p>

<p>Trick Room users, such as Cresselia, Jellicent, and Chandelure, are effective at helping Shuckle set up, as Shuckle becomes the fastest Pokemon on the field under Trick Room, making it extremely hard to stop from using Guard Split. On the other hand, hard hitting sweepers, such as Latios, Salamence, and Rotom-A, are also effective partners for Shuckle. By threatening the opponent with powerful moves, such as a Dragon Gem boosted Draco Meteor, it can force the opponent to play defensively, providing an opportunity to switch out the attacker and Shuckle to use Guard Split on the desired Pokemon. Alternatively, Shuckle can use Helping Hand to boost these Pokemon's attacks, in an attempt to KO an opposing Pokemon.</p>

GP approved 1/2
 
Amateur GP Check

[SET]
name: Guard Split
move 1: Guard Split
move 2: Helping Hand
move 3: Toxic
move 4: Protect
item: Mental Herb / Lum Berry
ability: Sturdy
nature: Impish / Careful
evs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Guard Split is the main attraction to this set. Thanks to Shuckle having defensive stats that reach into the 300's (isn't it 400's?), the recipient of Guard Split has its defensive capabilities boosted through the roof. Shuckle's other moves are mainly for situations where using Guard Split is not favorable, or has already been used. Helping Hand allows Shuckle to strengthen its partner's attacks, while Toxic is used to wear foes down. Lastly, Protect allows Shuckle to scout for the opponent's attacks, and helps stall opposing Pokemon to death when used in tandem with Toxic.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>While the EV spread doesn't do much for Shuckle, it maximizes the effectiveness of Guard Split. Mental Herb prevents the opponent from stopping Shuckle in its tracks with Taunt; however, a Lum Berry can be used instead if you are worried about being afflicted with Ssleep from moves,(remove comma) such as Spore and Hypnosis.</p>

<p>The best recipient for Guard Split is Chansey, due to the Eviolite further boosting the effects of Guard Split. After a Guard Split, even Terrakion's Close Combat will be a 4HKO, and sincbecause critical hits do not bypass the effects of Guard Split, Chansey becomes pretty much indestructible. Porygon2, Rhydon, Snorlax, and Blissey are also good recipients of Guard Split, though they are not nearly as hard to defeat as Chansey is after the boost.</p>

<p>Trick Room users, such as Cresselia, Jellicent,(comma) and Chandelure, are effective at helping Shuckle set up, as Shuckle becomes the fastest Pokemon on the field under Trick Room, making it extremely hard to stop from using Guard Split. On the other hand, hard hitting sweepers, such as Latios, Salamence, and Rotom-A, are also effective partners for Shuckle. By threatening the opponent with powerful moves such as a Dragon Gem -(hyphen)boosted Draco Meteor, it can force the opponent to play defensively, providing an opportunity to switch out the attacker (kinda confusing: are you switching IN the attacker or is the opponent switching their attacker out?) and Shuckle to use Guard Split on the desired Pokemon. Alternatively, Shuckle can use Helping Hand to boost these Pokemon's attacks,(remove comma) in an attempt to KO an opposing Pokemon.</p>
 
Made the changes.

regarding the side notes in the check:

-Shuckle's defense maxes at 310 at level 50 with a boosted nature. So I guess I'll change that to "having defensive stats can reach into the 300's"

-I clarified the line you were concerned with to: "it can force the opponent to play defensively, providing an opportunity to switch out Shuckle's attacking partner in order to use Guard Split on the desired Pokemon."

can I get a check for whether these two changes are okay?
 
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