ZU Simipour

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[OVERVIEW]
Simipour is one of the strongest special wallbreakers in ZU, with high Special Attack, a great Speed tier, and access to Nasty Plot. Backing this up is a good movepool, with an incredibly strong STAB move in Hydro Pump and great coverage moves like Ice Beam and Focus Blast. However, Simipour's power is offset by poor bulk, leaving it easily revenge killed by Choice Scarf users like Sawsbuck and Electivire. In addition, Simipour is generally outclassed as a Water-type wallbreaker by Floatzel; despite the fact that Simipour does have a higher Special Attack stat and access to Nasty Plot, Floatzel has higher Speed and can run Taunt more reliably compared to how unreliably Simipour can set up Substitute. Simipour also struggles with bulky Water-types, namely Silvally-Water and Mareanie, because it doesn't have the tools to deal heavy damage to them, even with Nasty Plot.

[SET]
name: Nasty Plot
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Hydro Pump
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Substitute / Focus Blast
item: Waterium Z
ability: Torrent
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
Ice Beam is the set's main coverage move, hitting Grass-types such as Gourgeist-XL and Dragon-types like Silvally-Dragon and Altaria. Substitute, when used on a forced switch, can allow Simipour to safely set up or start breaking if it already is set up, preventing it from taking damage the next turn. Alternatively, Focus Blast can be run for added coverage, allowing Simipour to hit Normal- and Ice-types like Lickilicky, Komala, Regice, and Abomasnow super-effectively.

Set Details
========
Waterium Z combined with Hydro Pump is incredibly strong, giving Simipour a one-time nuke; at +2, it can OHKO foes like Mareanie, Bronzor, specially defensive Komala, and Lickilicky, (the latter only after Stealth Rock), though you do need to win the mind game of Protect with Komala and Lickilicky. Using Substitute until Simipour is at Torrent range also gives Hydro Pump some additional power. +2 Torrent-boosted Hydro Pump can OHKO Pokemon like Lickilicky, Mareanie, and Komala after Stealth Rock, as well as 2HKO Pyukumuku.

Usage Tips
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It's best to bring in Simipour through either pivots or double switches, to make sure that it takes as little damage as possible so it can set up safely. Setting up should be done on a predicted switch or when Substitute is up so it can wallbreak safely. However, unless there's a clean sweeping path ahead, it's best to wait to set up so you don't have to switch out, and lose the boost from Nasty Plot. Also, using Substitute to get into Torrent range to get some extra power out of Hydro Pump to break more effectively isn't a bad idea. In addition, thanks to Simipour's high Speed stat, it can be used to revenge kill Pokemon without setting up Nasty Plot. Finally, be careful of Protect when using Hydro Vortex. Some notable users of Protect include Komala and Lickilicky. Substitute can be used to scout for Protect, though.

Team Options
========
Since Simipour wants to avoid chip damage for safer setup and wallbreaking, a hazard remover like Rotom-F or Silvally-Dragon is highly appreciated. Similarly, hazard setters like Metang or Gabite are good partners for getting chip damage, allowing Simipour to KO foes more easily. Something that can switch into or beat its checks is also greatly appreciated. For example, Golem, Gourgeist-XL, and Silvally-Ground can switch into Electivire, while Combusken, Rapidash, and Komala can deal with Choice Scarf Abomasnow. Other great partners for Simipour are Pokemon that appreciate its wallbreaking abilities. Examples include Choice Scarf Chatot (for breaking Bronzor) and Monferno (for breaking Swanna). Finally, a slow pivot, such as Komala or Toucannon, that can get Simipour in more safely is appreciated.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
A Life Orb set running Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Knock Off, and Superpower with a 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe spread and a Naive nature can be used for a power boost without having to waste a turn, and the physical coverage makes Simipour's matchup against things like Lickilicky and Misdreavus better, thanks to having physical coverage; however, the Nasty Plot set is generally preferred because it doesn't put Simipour on a timer and Nasty Plot gives a bigger boost than Life Orb. In addition, Life Orb's recoil makes Simipour easier to revenge kill, and mixed variants still suffer competition from Floatzel. Grass Knot can be run for alternative coverage, hitting foes like Silvally-Water, but this comes with the cost of either being walled by threats like Regice and Abomasnow or having a harder time setting up. Taunt can be used to improve Simipour's matchup against stall, rendering answers like Bronzor and Pyukumuku worthless, but this hinders Simipour's matchup against offensive teams. If you choose to run Focus Blast, Fightinium Z can be run to OHKO Lickilicky without Stealth Rock, but Hydro Vortex provides more valuable OHKOes, and Hydro Vortex already OHKOs Lickilicky after Stealth Rock anyway. Hyper Beam with Normalium Z can be run to break bulky Water-types like Silvally-Water, but it's missing out on valuable OHKOs that Hydro Vortex provides, in addition to that, a +2 Hydro Vortex followed by Hydro Pump KOes most of the foes you would use Hyper Beam for, like Silvally-Water and Mareanie. Scald can be used over Hydro Pump for added accuracy and a shot at a burn, but it's much weaker, hindering Simipour's wallbreaking abilities. Salac Berry and Gluttony can be run with Substitute to make Simipour harder to revenge kill, but Simipour misses the one-time nuke that Waterium Z provides.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Faster Offensive Pokemon**: Pokemon like Choice Scarf Chatot, Choice Scarf Electivire, and Simisage can easily KO Simipour thanks to their power and Simipour's lack of bulk.

**Grass-types**: Grass-types like Bellossom and Servine can tank an unboosted Ice Beam and threaten to KO back, or they can pivot into Hydro Pump, although none of them can safely switch into +2 Simipour because a boosted coverage move deals with all of them.

**Bulky Water-types**: Pyukumuku can stall Hydro Pump's PP by repeatedly switching in, but it's shut down by Substitute if Simipour decides to run it. Mareanie and Silvally-Water, while they are 2HKOed by +2 Hydro Pump, can easily threaten Simipour back with Haze and Thunderbolt, respectively. Finally, Lapras walls non-Focus Blast variants of Simipour and can fire back with either Freeze Dry or Perish Song and Whirlpool.

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[OVERVIEW]
- Simipour's high Special Attack and access to Nasty Plot, backed up by a decent 101 speed tier, makes it one of the strongest special wallbreakers in the tier. 101 Speed tier is more than decent for ZU, mention that it outspeeds the 95's (Silvally, Leafeon, Vire) as well as Swanna and Oricorio which are very popular
- A good movepool further adds to this, packing a powerful STAB option, a few great coverage moves, and Taunt. Move this with the first line because it's one of the reason why Simipour is a strong wallbreaker
- However, Simipour is generally outclassed as a Special wallbreaker by Floatzel because the latter is faster. Mention what are the advantage of Simipour over other Water-types (mainly Floatzel, Swanna and to an extent Silvally-W)
- In addition, Simipour's lackluster bulk leaves it easily KOd by faster attckers like Dugtrio or Choice Scarf Electivire.
Mention that Simipour can't singlely handle stall because it has a 4mss which leaves it unable to deal in one set with Pyukumuku, Lickilicky, Mareanie, Gourg....

[SET]
name: Nasty Plot
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Hydro Pump
move 3: Ice Beam / Focus Blast
move 4: Taunt
item: Waterium Z
ability: Torrent
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
- Nasty Plot is the thing that defines Simipour, as it's the only Water-type in ZU that can learn it. It also reliably allows it to break through stall (except for Pyukumuku, but Taunt takes care of that already) Not needed. Also explain what Nasty Plot allows Simipour to break such as Mareanie
- Ice Beam is the set's coverage move, hitting Grass-types, like Tangela and Gourgeist-Super, and Dragon-types, such as Silvally-Dragon and Altaria. Z-Hydro Pump and Focus Blast already deal with Tangela, Leafeon and Shiftry, also Ice Beam doesn't deal with Abo.
Mention what are Focus Blast uses (mainly dealing with Normal-type without the Z and Ice-type such as Abo and Regice)

- Taunt is used to keep stall under control, as it makes stall staples, like Bronzor and Pyukumuku, useless. It allows Simi to set up on Mareanie and Pyukumuku mainly.

Set Details
========
- Waterium Z combined with Hydro Pump is incredibly strong, and combined with a very high Special Attack, it gives Simipour a one-time nuke, and at +2, it can OHKO certain things like Mareanie, Bronzor, Specially Defensive Komala, and more. Fluff, Mention Lickilicky because it's more common in
Talk about Torrent (but don't mention Glutonny)


Usage Tips
========
- Bring Simipour in on a predicted switch or an attack that will deal very little to it, to make sure that it has enough health, to set up Nasty Plot safely
- Set up Nasty Plot on a predicted switch so you have the highest chance of a safe set-up.
- Because Nasty Plot boosts are lost with a switch, its best to at least try to fight back. Only switch out if you're sure you can win.
- Simipour is not the kind of mon that absolutely needs +2 in order to be viable, it still has decent strength at +0, so don't force yourself to set up.

Team Options
========
- A hazard remover like Rotom-Fan or Silvally-Dragon is highly appreciated. Simipour wants to maintain as much health as possible to make sure it can set-up.
- Something that can switch into its checks are greatly appreciated so that Simipour has something to fall back on. Golem, Gourgeist-Super, and Silvally-Dragon can all switch in to both Electivire and Scarf Simisage this is not a set, you can mention Scarf Abo or Rapidash, making them great teammates for Simipour.
- Things that appreciate Simipour's wallbreaking abilities like Golem (for breaking Bronzor) or Chatot (for breaking Probopass) are good partners for Simipour.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
- A Life Orb set containing Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Knock Off, and Superpower with a 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe (Naive) spread can be used for an attack boost without having to waste a turn, but the Nasty Plot set is generally preferred because it doesn't put Simipour on a timer, and Nasty Plot gives you a bigger boost than Life Orb anyway.
- Grass Knot can be run over Taunt for some added coverage, hitting things like Silvally-Water but this comes at the cost of nearly auto-losing to stall because you can't beat Pyukumuku (Hydro Pump deals 21.9% max), which is on nearly every viable stall team. Doesn't warrant a mention imo
- Substitute with Salac Berry and Gluttony can be run over Taunt to fare better against offensive teams, but it comes at the cost of doing worse against stall and bulkier teams.
- Hyper Beam over Taunt with Normalium Z might sound appealing, as it allows Simipour to break bulky Water-types, but a +2 Hydro Pump and even Grass Knot do a better job, because they're not one use, and a normal Hyper Beam is pretty bad on Simipour. Doesn't warrant a mention imo
- Scald can be used over Hydro Pump for more accuracy and a shot a burn, but its much weaker, hindering Simipour's wallbreaking abilities.

Checks and Counters
===================

Roselia can deal with every set, being able to take a +2 Ice Beam and OHKO Simipour with Giga Drain

Normal-type: if no F-Blast (Licki, Bouff, Kek, Komala)

Specially Defensive Pokémon: Muk, Mareanie, Regice, Altaria, Pyukumuku, Gourg (the former is a threat to every Simipour set while the latters are only threats to certain set (none Taunt, none F-Blast, none Ice Beam)

**Faster Offensive Pokemon**: As mentioned in the overview, things like Dugtrio, Scarf Electivire and Simisage it's not faster than Simipour can easily KO Simipour thanks to their strength and Simipour's lack of bulk.

**Grass-types**: Almost every Grass-type in the tier can tank a +0 an unboosted Ice Beam and threaten to KO back, or they can pivot into Hydro Pump. Mention than none can safely switch into Simipour because +2 Focus Blast/Aqua Vortex deal with all of them bar Roselia.

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[OVERVIEW]
- Simipour's high Special Attack and access to Nasty Plot, backed up by a decent 101 speed tier, makes it one of the strongest special wallbreakers in the tier. 101 Speed tier is more than decent for ZU, mention that it outspeeds the 95's (Silvally, Leafeon, Vire) as well as Swanna and Oricorio which are very popular
- A good movepool further adds to this, packing a powerful STAB option, a few great coverage moves, and Taunt. Move this with the first line because it's one of the reason why Simipour is a strong wallbreaker
- However, Simipour is generally outclassed as a Special wallbreaker by Floatzel because the latter is faster. Mention what are the advantage of Simipour over other Water-types (mainly Floatzel, Swanna and to an extent Silvally-W)
- In addition, Simipour's lackluster bulk leaves it easily KOd by faster attckers like Dugtrio or Choice Scarf Electivire.
Mention that Simipour can't singlely handle stall because it has a 4mss which leaves it unable to deal in one set with Pyukumuku, Lickilicky, Mareanie, Gourg....

[SET]
name: Nasty Plot
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Hydro Pump
move 3: Ice Beam / Focus Blast
move 4: Taunt
item: Waterium Z
ability: Torrent
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
- Nasty Plot is the thing that defines Simipour, as it's the only Water-type in ZU that can learn it. It also reliably allows it to break through stall (except for Pyukumuku, but Taunt takes care of that already) Not needed. Also explain what Nasty Plot allows Simipour to break such as Mareanie
- Ice Beam is the set's coverage move, hitting Grass-types, like Tangela and Gourgeist-Super, and Dragon-types, such as Silvally-Dragon and Altaria. Z-Hydro Pump and Focus Blast already deal with Tangela, Leafeon and Shiftry, also Ice Beam doesn't deal with Abo.
Mention what are Focus Blast uses (mainly dealing with Normal-type without the Z and Ice-type such as Abo and Regice)

- Taunt is used to keep stall under control, as it makes stall staples, like Bronzor and Pyukumuku, useless. It allows Simi to set up on Mareanie and Pyukumuku mainly.

Set Details
========
- Waterium Z combined with Hydro Pump is incredibly strong, and combined with a very high Special Attack, it gives Simipour a one-time nuke, and at +2, it can OHKO certain things like Mareanie, Bronzor, Specially Defensive Komala, and more. Fluff, Mention Lickilicky because it's more common in
Talk about Torrent (but don't mention Glutonny)


Usage Tips
========
- Bring Simipour in on a predicted switch or an attack that will deal very little to it, to make sure that it has enough health, to set up Nasty Plot safely
- Set up Nasty Plot on a predicted switch so you have the highest chance of a safe set-up.
- Because Nasty Plot boosts are lost with a switch, its best to at least try to fight back. Only switch out if you're sure you can win.
- Simipour is not the kind of mon that absolutely needs +2 in order to be viable, it still has decent strength at +0, so don't force yourself to set up.

Team Options
========
- A hazard remover like Rotom-Fan or Silvally-Dragon is highly appreciated. Simipour wants to maintain as much health as possible to make sure it can set-up.
- Something that can switch into its checks are greatly appreciated so that Simipour has something to fall back on. Golem, Gourgeist-Super, and Silvally-Dragon can all switch in to both Electivire and Scarf Simisage this is not a set, you can mention Scarf Abo or Rapidash, making them great teammates for Simipour.
- Things that appreciate Simipour's wallbreaking abilities like Golem (for breaking Bronzor) or Chatot (for breaking Probopass) are good partners for Simipour.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
- A Life Orb set containing Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Knock Off, and Superpower with a 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe (Naive) spread can be used for an attack boost without having to waste a turn, but the Nasty Plot set is generally preferred because it doesn't put Simipour on a timer, and Nasty Plot gives you a bigger boost than Life Orb anyway.
- Grass Knot can be run over Taunt for some added coverage, hitting things like Silvally-Water but this comes at the cost of nearly auto-losing to stall because you can't beat Pyukumuku (Hydro Pump deals 21.9% max), which is on nearly every viable stall team. Doesn't warrant a mention imo
- Substitute with Salac Berry and Gluttony can be run over Taunt to fare better against offensive teams, but it comes at the cost of doing worse against stall and bulkier teams.
- Hyper Beam over Taunt with Normalium Z might sound appealing, as it allows Simipour to break bulky Water-types, but a +2 Hydro Pump and even Grass Knot do a better job, because they're not one use, and a normal Hyper Beam is pretty bad on Simipour. Doesn't warrant a mention imo
- Scald can be used over Hydro Pump for more accuracy and a shot a burn, but its much weaker, hindering Simipour's wallbreaking abilities.

Checks and Counters
===================

Roselia can deal with every set, being able to take a +2 Ice Beam and OHKO Simipour with Giga Drain

Normal-type: if no F-Blast (Licki, Bouff, Kek, Komala)

Specially Defensive Pokémon: Muk, Mareanie, Regice, Altaria, Pyukumuku, Gourg (the former is a threat to every Simipour set while the latters are only threats to certain set (none Taunt, none F-Blast, none Ice Beam)

**Faster Offensive Pokemon**: As mentioned in the overview, things like Dugtrio, Scarf Electivire and Simisage it's not faster than Simipour can easily KO Simipour thanks to their strength and Simipour's lack of bulk.

**Grass-types**: Almost every Grass-type in the tier can tank a +0 an unboosted Ice Beam and threaten to KO back, or they can pivot into Hydro Pump. Mention than none can safely switch into Simipour because +2 Focus Blast/Aqua Vortex deal with all of them bar Roselia.

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[/QUOTE]
Overview:
  • Second line shouldn't be moved to first because Nasty Plot is the primary selling point to using Simipour in the current meta. It'd be identical to Float with Taunt/STAB/Ice coverage otherwise. Mixed sets face stiff competition with Floatzel as well and are generally less effective due to natural checks in the meta.
  • Overview doesn't need that much detail, so that shouuld be mentioned in usage tips (b/c PP stall would be big, not the 4mss since Nasty Plor+Taunt+coverage is enough)
Set:
  • Focus Blast shouldn't be slashed after Ice Beam because Simipour never really wants to give up Ice Beam for a few reasons: Non-LO Focus Blast doesn't OHKO Licky after a boost while Z-Hydro can, only really SpD Tangela would switch into Simipour, and while I agree hitting Regice and Aboma is useful, that's more suited for the mixed set with Superpower
Other Options:
  • Grass Knot is worth it because it lets Simipour beat Silvally-Water, a very common counter. Simipour becomes more of a sweeper than a stallbreaker without Taunt.
  • Z-Hyper Beam is also worth it to beat Mareanie, Silvally-Water, Swanna, etc
comments in bold


[OVERVIEW]
- Simipour has a really good movepool, packing a powerful STAB option, a few great coverage moves, and Taunt.
- In addition, Simipour's high Special Attack and access to Nasty Plot, backed up by a really good 101 speed tier, allowing it to outspeed base 95s like Silvally and Leafeon, as well as things like Oricorio, makes Simipour one of the strongest special wallbreakers Should still be the first point. Swap with above one to stay like before. Also, specify that it's a potent stallbreaker instead.
- However, Simipour is generally outclassed as a Special wallbreaker by Floatzel because the latter is faster. Floatzel also has Taunt and boosting options.
- In addition, Simipour's lackluster bulk leaves it easily KOd by faster attckers like Dugtrio or Choice Scarf Electivire.

Should also mention that it faces competition from other stallbreakers such as Shiftry and Pinsir so it mostly differentiates itself through Speed.

[SET]
name: Nasty Plot
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Hydro Pump
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Taunt Substitute / Focus Blast
item: Waterium Z
ability: Torrent
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

QC decided that Sub should go over Taunt as it’s the better option in the current meta. Move Taunt to OO and adjust accordingly please.

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
- Nasty Plot is the thing that defines Simipour, as it's the only Water-type in ZU that can learn it. It also reliably allows it to break through stall (except for Pyukumuku, but Taunt takes care of that already)
- Ice Beam is the set's coverage move, hitting Grass-types, like Gourgeist-Super, and Dragon-types, such as Silvally-Dragon and Altaria.
- Taunt is used to keep stall under control, as it makes stall staples, like Bronzor and Pyukumuku, useless, making them give Simipour a free Nasty Plot.

Set Details
========
- Waterium Z combined with Hydro Pump is incredibly strong, it gives Simipour a one-time nuke, and at +2, it can OHKO certain things like Mareanie, Bronzor, Specially Defensive Komala, Lickilicky, and more.
- Torrent powers up Hydro Pump even more at 33% or less, giving Simipour even more wallbreaking strength. More suited to usage tips. Remove from here and reword it there.

Usage Tips
========
- Bring Simipour in on a predicted switch or an attack that will deal very little to it, to make sure that it has enough health to set up Nasty Plot safely Change this to off of pivots and aggressive double switches
- Set up Nasty Plot on a predicted switch so you have the highest chance of a safe set-up.
- Because Nasty Plot boosts are lost with a switch, its best to at least try to fight back. Only switch out if you're sure you can win. Last part is worded awkwardly and the information isn't really helpful. Should reword it to say that Simipour should only setup if it's going to break through stall or if it has a clear path to sweep.
- Simipour is not the kind of mon that absolutely needs +2 in order to be viable, it still has decent strength at +0, so don't force yourself to set up. Fluff. Would remove this or completely reword it to talk about how Simipour can be used to revenge kill things due to its Speed tier.

Usage tips are kind of bare and should talk more about how Simipour plays outside of NP. For example, give instances on how Sub factors into a sweep (touched on it in moves). Should also talk about when to use Waterium and when not to (i.e avoid being baited by Protect vs stall).

Team Options
========
- A hazard remover like Rotom-Fan or Silvally-Dragon is highly appreciated. Simipour wants to maintain as much health as possible to make sure it can set-up.
- Something that can switch into its checks are greatly appreciated so that Simipour has something to fall back on. Golem, Gourgeist-Super, and Silvally-Dragon can all switch in to Electivire, while Bronzor, Lickilicky, and Komala can switch into Scarf Abomasnow, making them great teammates for Simipour.
- Things that appreciate Simipour's wallbreaking abilities like Golem (for breaking Bronzor) or Chatot (for breaking Probopass) are good partners for Simipour. Not the best examples since Golem appreciates Bronzor being beaten, but it doesn't hinder its effectiveness. Would specify Scarf on Chatot b/c Specs doesn't need the help and Z-Encore isn't used with another Z user. Would add 1 or 2 more examples of late-game cleaners.

Add hazard setters. Add pivots.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
- A Life Orb set containing Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Knock Off, and Superpower with a 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe (Naive) spread can be used for an attack boost without having to waste a turn, but the Nasty Plot set is generally preferred because it doesn't put Simipour on a timer, and Nasty Plot gives you a bigger boost than Life Orb anyway. Would be more accurate to say that LO recoil makes Simipour easier to revenge kill and that mixed variants face stiffer competition with Floatzel and that NP simply breaks more reliably.
- Grass Knot can be run over Taunt for some added coverage, hitting things like Silvally-Water but this comes at the cost of nearly auto-losing to stall because you can't beat Pyukumuku (Hydro Pump deals 21.9% max), which is on nearly every viable stall team.
- Substitute with Salac Berry and Gluttony can be run over Taunt to fare better against offensive teams, but it comes at the cost of doing worse against stall and bulkier teams. Should also mention that Salac Berry boost + Sub makes Simipour more difficult to revenge kill.
- Hyper Beam over Taunt with Normalium Z might sound appealing, as it allows Simipour to break bulky Water-types, but a +2 Hydro Pump and even Grass Knot do a better job, because they're not one use, and a normal Hyper Beam is pretty bad on Simipour. Not really the case because Z-Hyper Beam beats SpD Mareanie after slight chip. More accurate to talk about giving up Taunt or the option of Z-Hydro.
- Scald can be used over Hydro Pump for more accuracy and a shot a burn, but its much weaker, hindering Simipour's wallbreaking abilities.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Faster Offensive Pokemon**: As mentioned in the overview, things like Dugtrio, Electivire and Simisage can easily KO Simipour thanks to their strength and Simipour's lack of bulk.

**Grass-types**: Almost every Grass-type in the tier can tank an unboosted Ice Beam and threaten to KO back, or they can pivot into Hydro Pump, although none of them can safely switch in if its at +2 because Ice Beam/Focus Blast/Hydro Vortex deals with all of them, with the exception of Roselia.

Add bulky Waters (Pokemon like Silvally-Water, Mareanie, and Lapras wall it)



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Overview
  • Stallbreaker =/= wallbreaker. Simipour is very much a wallbreaker, seeing as how Pyukumuku alone causes its stall MU to be decent at best, especially with it also needing Protect 50/50s to break Lickilicky. Definitely replace this wording.
  • In the Floatzel line, mention what Simipour offers over it (higher SpA, Nasty Plot).
  • Mention it being unable to beat bulky Waters, most important Pyukumuku and Silvally-Water.
  • 252 Atk Life Orb Dugtrio Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Simipour: 259-305 (89 - 104.8%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
    Get a different example, something like Choice Scarf Sawsbuck works. Also specify Scarf EVire
Moves
  • Even NP Simipour doesn't break stall very easily due to losing to Pyukumuku. Remove that portion. Actually, just remove the whole Nasty Plot line. People know what it does.
  • Lickilicky is THE most important Normal-type to hit, followed closely by Komala. Switch up your mentions in that last line, especially since Silvally is usually Scarf.
Set Details
  • Mention that you need rocks to OHKO Lickilicky and that you need to win the Protect 50/50 vs Komala and Lickilicky.
Usage Tips
  • Don't mention Dugtrio, it doesn't actually OHKO 100% of the time. Again, different example.
  • Heavily disagree with that last line being as objective as it is, because Hydro Pumping into a Komala because you predicted a Protect can be a death sentence if you guessed the set wrong. Just say you have to be careful around Protect and mention some of its users.
Team Options
  • 252 Atk Electivire Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silvally-Dragon: 166-196 (50.1 - 59.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    Don't mention this as an EVire switch-in. Sure it's a 50/50, but you have better options.
  • Lickilicky and Bronzor generally aren't great on Simipour teams because it wants to be on more offensive builds.
  • Mention EVire > Rotom-S in the last line and Silvally formes in general instead of just Fighting.
Other Options
  • Mention Fightinium Z Focus Blast to more reliably break Lickilicky.
Checks and Counters
  • Don't mention Dugtrio and specify Scarf EVire.
  • Every Pyukumuku runs Z-Spite or Z-Toxic, both of which deal with Taunt Simipour.
QC 2/3
 

Aaronboyer

Something Worth Fighting For
is a Contributor to Smogon

[OVERVIEW]
Simipour is one of the strongest special wallbreakers in ZU, with high Special Attack, Nasty Plot, and great Speed tier. Backing this up is a good movepool, with an incredibly strong STAB move in Hydro Pump, some great coverage moves, and decent utility options like Substitute and Taunt. Why is there a Taunt mention if its not on the main set? And Substitute isn't mutually exclusive to Simpour. In fact 98% of all Pokemon get the move, so I would remove utility options completely. Simipour isn't a utility Pokemon. However, Simipour's power is balanced out by poor bulk, leaving it easily revenge killed by things like Scarf Sawsbuck or Scarf Electivire. In addition, Simipour is generally outclassed as a Water-type wallbreaker by Floatzel. Despite the fact that Simipour does have a higher Special Attack stat and access to Nasty Plot, Floatzel has higher Speed and can run Taunt more reliably. specifically mention "compared to how unreliably Simipour can set up Substitute." Simipour also struggles with bulky Water-types, namely Silvally-Water and Pyukumuku, because Simipour doesn't have the tools to deal heavy damage to them, even with Nasty Plot. Substitute is the first slash on moveslot 4, it definitely has the tools to beat Pyukumuku. Switch this example out with Mareanie. Despite these flaws though, Simipour is still generally a viable wallbreaker in the ZU metagame. This is a fluff sentence and should be removed.

[SET]
name: Nasty Plot
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Hydro Pump
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Substitute / Focus Blast
item: Waterium Z
ability: Torrent
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
Ice Beam is the set's main coverage move, hitting Grass-types such as Gourgeist-Super and Dragon-types like Silvally-Dragon and Altaria, which would normally wall Simipour. How would they otherwise wall Simipour? Simipour always runs Ice Beam. There is no second moveset getting an analysis that lacks Ice Beam. In fact, the mixed set that's listed in OO still has Ice Beam. Substitute, if used on a switch, can allow Simipour to safely set up or start breaking if it already is set up, since it's guaranteed to take no damage the next turn. Alternatively, Focus Blast can be run for added coverage, allowing it to hit Normal- and Ice-types like Lickilicky, Komala, Regice, and Abomasnow.

Set Details
========
Waterium Z combined with Hydro Pump is incredibly strong, giving Simipour a one-time nuke, and at +2, it can OHKO things like Mareanie, Bronzor, Specially Defensive Komala, Lickilicky (after rocks), and more, though you do need to win the 50/50 chance of Protect with Komala and Lickilicky. Specifically mention the purpose of Substituting down within Torrent range and what that boost does for Simipour.

Usage Tips
========
It's best to bring in Simipour on either pivots or double switches, to make sure that it takes as little damage as possible so it can set up safely. Setting up should be done on a predicted switch or when Substitute is up so it can break safely. However, unless there's a clean sweeping path ahead, it's best to wait to set up so you don't have to switch out, therefore losing the boost from Nasty Plot. Also, don't forget about Torrent, which ups Hydro Pump's power even more when Simipour's health is at 33% or less. What is this sentence doing here? This comes off less of a tip and more of a statement. You should talk about scenarios when its beneficial to Substitute down to Torrent range rather than "hey don't forget, Simipour has a situational ability" Finally, be careful for Protect when using Hyrdro Vortex. If you use it when the opponent uses Protect, it'll be much weaker. Some notable users of Protect include Komala and Lickilicky. Mention you can use Substitute to scout for Protect.

Team Options
========
Since Simipour wants to avoid chip damage for safer set-up and breaking, a hazard remover like Rotom-Fan or Silvally-Dragon is highly appreciated. Similarly, hazard setters like Golem or Sandslash are good partners for getting chip damage, allowing Simipour to KO more things. Something that can switch into or beat it's checks is also greatly appreciated. For example, Golem, Gourgeist-Super, and Silvally-Ground can switch into Electivire, while Combuken, Rapidash, and Komala can deal with Scarf Abomasnow. Another great partner for Simipour is something that appreciates it's wallbreaking abilities. Examples include Scarf Chatot (for breaking Probopass) Probopass is irrelevant in the current metagame or Monferno (for breaking Mareanie) You literally said Simipour can struggle in its matchup versus Mareanie. Switch both examples. Finally, a pivot, such as Electivire or Silvally to get Simipour in more safely is appreciated. I would imagine you'd much rather want slow pivots seeing how frail Simipour is and how much health it wants to keep to use Substitute when necessary. The examples you gave aren't really slow pivots.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
A Life Orb set containing Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Knock Off, and Superpower with a 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe (Naive) spread can be used for an attack boost without having to waste a turn, but the Nasty Plot set is generally preferred because it doesn't put Simipour on a timer, and Nasty Plot gives you a bigger boost than Life Orb anyway. In addition, Life Orb's recoil makes Simipour easier to revenge kill, and mixed variants still suffer competition from Floatzel. This doesn't mention any of the benefits of having physical coverage moves in Knock Off or Superpower. With these moves,Simipour's matchup against Pokemon such as Misdreavus, Mareanie, and Lickilicky becomes way better. Grass Knot can be run for alternative coverage, hitting things like Silvally-Water, but this comes with the cost of either being walled by things like Regice and Abomasnow or making it harder for Simipour to set up. Taunt can be used to improve Simipour's matchup against stall, rendering things like Bronzor and Pyukumuku worthless, but this hinders Simipour's matchup against offensive teams. If you choose to run Focus Blast, Fightinium Z can be run to OHKO Lickilicky without rocks, but Hydro Vortex provides more valuable OHKOs, and Hydro Vortex already OHKOs Lickilicky after rocks anyway. Hyper Beam with Normalium Z can be run to break bulky Water-types like Silvally-Water, but it's missing out on valuable OHKO's that Hydro Vortex provides, in addition to +2 Hydro Vortex 2HKOs Hydro Vortex 2HKOes... It's a Z-Move most of the things you would use Hyper Beam for such as?. Scald can be used over Hydro Pump for added accuracy and a shot at a burn, but it's much weaker, hindering Simipour's wallbreaking abilities. Salac Berry and Gluttony can be run with Substitute to make Simipour harder to revenge kill, but Simipour misses the one-time nuke that Waterium Z provides.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Faster Offensive Pokemon**: As mentioned in the overview, things like Scarf Chtot Chatot, Scarf Electivire and Simisage can easily KO Simipour thanks to their strength and Simipour's lack of bulk.

**Grass-types**: Almost every Grass-type in the tier can tank an unboosted Ice Beam and threaten to KO back, or they can pivot into Hydro Pump, although none of them can safely switch in if its at +2 because Ice Beam/Focus Blast/Hydro Vortex deals with all of them. This entire section needs reworded. Not only did you not specifically mention any Grass-types by name, quite a few of Grass-types such as Leafeon and Jumpluff can't switch into Ice Beam. Also change "Ice Beam/Focus Blast/Hydro Vortex" to something like "coverage options"

**Bulky Water-types**: Unless Simipour is running Focus Blast (which will 2HKO or OHKO depending on the set), Lapras can wall Simipour with Whirlpool and Perish Song, and there's nothing Simipour can do about it. Even Specs takes no more than 12.2% damage from Ice Beam. Mareanie and Silvally-Water, while they are 2HKO'd by +2 Hydro Pump, can easily threaten Simipour back with Haze and Thunderbolt, respectively. Finally, Pyukumuku can stall Hydro Pump's PP by repeatedly switching in, but it's shut down by Taunt if Simipour decides to run it. It's shut down by Substitute. Taunt is no longer on the main set anymore. You should talk about Pyuku first, then Silvally-Water/Mareanie, then Lapras. Lapras is nearly completely irrelevant in the current metagame.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[JdRDMS, 451154]]
- Quality checked by: [[5gen, 296755], [Xayah, 167012], [, ]]
- Grammar checked by: [[, ], [, ]]
This is actually quite a lot to implement for an analysis already 2 QC checks in, so I'm going to hold off stamping for now, and then you can tag me again once you've implemented this so I can give it one more look over.
 

Aaronboyer

Something Worth Fighting For
is a Contributor to Smogon

[OVERVIEW]
Simipour is one of the strongest special wallbreakers in ZU, with high Special Attack, Nasty Plot, and great Speed tier. Backing this up is a good movepool, with an incredibly strong STAB move in Hydro Pump and some some great coverage moves like Ice Beam and Focus Blast.. However, Simipour's power is balanced out by poor bulk, leaving it easily revenge killed by things like Scarf Sawsbuck or Scarf Electivire. In addition, Simipour is generally outclassed as a Water-type wallbreaker by Floatzel. Despite the fact that Simipour does have a higher Special Attack stat and access to Nasty Plot, Floatzel has higher Speed and can run Taunt more reliably compared to how unreliably Simipour can set up Substitute. Simipour also struggles with bulky Water-types, namely Silvally-Water and Mareanie, because Simipour doesn't have the tools to deal heavy damage to them, even with Nasty Plot.

[SET]
name: Nasty Plot
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Hydro Pump
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Substitute / Focus Blast
item: Waterium Z
ability: Torrent
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
Ice Beam is the set's main coverage move, hitting Grass-types such as Gourgeist-Super and Dragon-types like Silvally-Dragon and Altaria. Substitute, if used on a switch, can allow Simipour to safely set up or start breaking if it already is set up, since it's guaranteed to take no damage the next turn. Alternatively, Focus Blast can be run for added coverage, allowing it to hit Normal- and Ice-types like Lickilicky, Komala, Regice, and Abomasnow.

Set Details
========
Waterium Z combined with Hydro Pump is incredibly strong, giving Simipour a one-time nuke, and at +2, it can OHKO things like Mareanie, Bronzor, Specially Defensive Komala, Lickilicky (after rocks), and more, though you do need to win the 50/50 chance of Protect with Komala and Lickilicky. Substituting down to Torrent range also gives Hydro Pump some additional power. +2 Torrent Hydro Pump can OHKO things Lickilicky, Mareanie, and Komala after rocks, and it also 2HKOs Pyukumuku.

Usage Tips
========
It's best to bring in Simipour on either pivots or double switches, to make sure that it takes as little damage as possible so it can set up safely. Setting up should be done on a predicted switch or when Substitute is up so it can break safely. However, unless there's a clean sweeping path ahead, it's best to wait to set up so you don't have to switch out, therefore losing the boost from Nasty Plot. Also, as mentioned in Set Details, Substituting down to Torrent range can be used to get some extra power out of Hydro Pump to break more effectively. In addition, thanks to Simipour's high speed stat, it can be used to revenge kill things without Nasty Plot. Finally, be careful for Protect when using Hyrdro Vortex. If you use it when the opponent uses Protect, it'll be much weaker. Some notable users of Protect include Komala and Lickilicky. Substitute can be used to hunt scout for Protect, though.

Team Options
========
Since Simipour wants to avoid chip damage for safer set-up and breaking, a hazard remover like Rotom-Fan or Silvally-Dragon is highly appreciated. Similarly, hazard setters like Golem or Sandslash perhaps mention a non-Grass weak SR setter such as Metang, Gabite, Kecleon, or Crustle are good partners for getting chip damage, allowing Simipour to KO more things. Something that can switch into or beat it's checks is also greatly appreciated. For example, Golem, Gourgeist-Super, and Silvally-Ground can switch into Electivire, while Combuken, Rapidash, and Komala can deal with Scarf Abomasnow. Another great partner for Simipour is something that appreciates it's wallbreaking abilities. Examples include Scarf Chatot (for breaking Bronzor) or Monferno (for breaking Swanna). Finally, a slow pivot, such as Komala or Toucannon to get Simipour in more safely is appreciated.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
A Life Orb set containing Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Knock Off, and Superpower with a 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe (Naive) just because this is worded this way in the mini analyses we have on the ZU VR doesnt mean they should be like this here. rework this like you did in Set Details spread can be used for an attack boost without having to waste a turn, and it makes Simipour's match-up against things like Lickilicky and Misdreavus better, thanks to having physical coverage, but the Nasty Plot set is generally preferred because it doesn't put Simipour on a timer, and Nasty Plot gives you a bigger boost than Life Orb anyway. In addition, Life Orb's recoil makes Simipour easier to revenge kill, and mixed variants still suffer competition from Floatzel. Grass Knot can be run for alternative coverage, hitting things like Silvally-Water, but this comes with the cost of either being walled by things like Regice and Abomasnow or making it harder for Simipour to set up. Taunt can be used to improve Simipour's matchup against stall, rendering things like Bronzor and Pyukumuku worthless, but this hinders Simipour's matchup against offensive teams. If you choose to run Focus Blast, Fightinium Z can be run to OHKO Lickilicky without rocks, but Hydro Vortex provides more valuable OHKOs, and Hydro Vortex already OHKOs Lickilicky after rocks anyway. Hyper Beam with Normalium Z can be run to break bulky Water-types like Silvally-Water, but it's missing out on valuable OHKO's that Hydro Vortex provides, in addition to that, +2 Hydro Vortex 2HKOs You didn't implement this part from last time. Hydro Vortex cannot 2HKO anything. It's a Z-Move. It's one-time use. most of the things you would use Hyper Beam for, like Silvally-Water and Mareanie. Scald can be used over Hydro Pump for added accuracy and a shot at a burn, but it's much weaker, hindering Simipour's wallbreaking abilities. Salac Berry and Gluttony can be run with Substitute to make Simipour harder to revenge kill, but Simipour misses the one-time nuke that Waterium Z provides.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Faster Offensive Pokemon**: As mentioned in the overview, things like Scarf Chatot, Scarf Electivire and Simisage can easily KO Simipour thanks to their strength and Simipour's lack of bulk.

**Grass-types**: Grass-types like Bellossom and Servine can tank an unboosted Ice Beam and threaten to KO back, or they can pivot into Hydro Pump, although none of them can safely switch in if its at +2 because boosted coverage deals with all of them.

**Bulky Water-types**: Pyukumuku can stall Hydro Pump's PP by repeatedly switching in, but it's shut down by Substitute if Simipour decides to run it. random line split, fix this
Mareanie and Silvally-Water, while they are 2HKO'd by +2 Hydro Pump, can easily threaten Simipour back with Haze and Thunderbolt, respectively.
Finally, Unless Simipour is running Focus Blast (which will 2HKO or OHKO depending on the set), Lapras can wall Simipour with Whirlpool and Perish Song, and there's nothing Simipour can do about it. Even Specs takes no more than 12.2% damage from Ice Beam.
252 SpA Simipour Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Lapras: 224-264 (55.8 - 65.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Simipour Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Lapras: 160-190 (34.5 - 41%) -- 2.3% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
It's a 2HKO / 3HKO, not a OHKO / 2HKO Just generalize that Lapras beats non-Focus Blast variants of Simipour, while Lapras can either fire back with Freeze Dry or Perishtrap Simipour.


[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[JdRDMS, 451154]]
- Quality checked by: [[5gen, 296755], [Xayah, 167012], [, ]]
- Grammar checked by: [[, ], [, ]]
This is a major improvement from Silvally-Grass, I'm really proud of you. QC 3/3
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[OVERVIEW]
Simipour is one of the strongest special wallbreakers in ZU, with high Special Attack, a great Speed tier, and access to Nasty Plot. (RC, add period) and great Speed tier. (feels more tidy by arranging it by stats first, then moves) Backing this up is a good movepool, with an incredibly strong STAB move in Hydro Pump and some some great coverage moves like Ice Beam and Focus Blast. (remove extra period) However, Simipour's power is balanced out held back by poor bulk, leaving it easily revenge killed by things Pokemon like Choice Scarf Sawsbuck or Choice Scarf Electivire. In addition, Simipour is generally outclassed as a Water-type wallbreaker by Floatzel. Despite the fact that Simipour does have a higher Special Attack stat and access to Nasty Plot, Floatzel has higher Speed and can run Taunt more reliably compared to how unreliably Simipour can set up Substitute. Simipour also struggles with bulky Water-types, namely Silvally-Water and Mareanie, because Simipour doesn't have the tools to deal heavy damage to them, even with Nasty Plot.

[SET]
name: Nasty Plot
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Hydro Pump
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Substitute / Focus Blast
item: Waterium Z
ability: Torrent
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
Ice Beam is the set's main coverage move, hitting Grass-types such as Gourgeist-Super Gourgeist-XL and Dragon-types like Silvally-Dragon and Altaria. Substitute, if when used on a forced switch, can allow Simipour to safely set up or start breaking if it already is set up, since it's guaranteed to take no Substitute prevents Simipour from taking damage the next turn. Alternatively, Focus Blast can be run for added coverage, allowing it to hit Normal- and Ice-types like Lickilicky, Komala, Regice, and Abomasnow for super effective damage.

Set Details
========
Waterium Z combined with Hydro Pump is incredibly strong, giving Simipour a one-time nuke, and at +2, it can even OHKO things Pokemon like Mareanie, Bronzor, Specially Defensive Komala, Lickilicky (after Stealth Rocks), and more, though you do need to win the 50/50 chance of Protect with Komala and Lickilicky. Substituting down to Using Substitute until Simipour is at Torrent range also gives Hydro Pump some additional power. +2 Torrent Hydro Pump can OHKO things Pokemon like Lickilicky, Mareanie, and Komala after Stealth Rocks, and it also 2HKOs Pyukumuku.

Usage Tips
========
It's best to bring in Simipour on by either pivots or double switches, to make sure that it takes as little damage as possible so it can set up safely. Setting up should be done on a predicted switch or when Substitute is up so it can break safely. However, unless there's a clean sweeping path ahead, it's best to wait to set up so you don't have to switch out, therefore losing the boost from Nasty Plot. Also, as mentioned in Set Details, Substituting down using Substitute to Torrent range can be used to get some extra power out of Hydro Pump to break more effectively. In addition, thanks to Simipour's high Speed stat, it can be used to revenge kill things Pokemon without setting up Nasty Plot. Finally, be careful for of Protect when using Hyrdro Vortex. If you use it when the opponent uses Protect, it'll be much weaker. Some notable users of Protect include Komala and Lickilicky. Substitute can be used to scout for Protect, though.

Team Options
========
Since Simipour wants to avoid chip damage for safer set-up and breaking, a hazard remover like Rotom-Fan or Silvally-Dragon is highly appreciated. Similarly, hazard setters like Metang or Gabite are good partners for getting chip damage, allowing Simipour to KO more things Pokemon. Something that can switch into or beat its (remove apostrophe) checks is also greatly appreciated. For example, Golem, Gourgeist-Super, and Silvally-Ground can switch into Electivire, while Combuken, Rapidash, and Komala can deal with Scarf Abomasnow. Another great partner for Simipour is something are Pokemon that appreciates its (remove apostrophe) wallbreaking abilities. Examples include Choice Scarf Chatot (for breaking Bronzor) or Monferno (for breaking Swanna). Finally, a slow pivot, such as Komala or Toucannon, (AC) to that can get Simipour in more safely is appreciated.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
A Life Orb set containing Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Knock Off, and Superpower with a 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe spread with a Naive nature can be used for an attack boost without having to waste use a turn to set up, and it makes improves Simipour's matchup (remove hyphen) against things Pokemon like Lickilicky and Misdreavus better, thanks to having physical coverage, but the Nasty Plot set is generally preferred because it doesn't put Simipour on a timer, and Nasty Plot gives you a bigger boost than Life Orb anyway. In addition, Life Orb's recoil makes Simipour easier to revenge kill, and mixed variants still suffer competition from Floatzel. Grass Knot can be run for alternative coverage, hitting things Pokemon like Silvally-Water, but this comes with the cost of either being walled by things Pokemon like Regice and Abomasnow or making it harder for Simipour to set up. Taunt can be used to improve Simipour's matchup against stall, rendering things like Bronzor and Pyukumuku worthless, but this hinders Simipour's matchup against offensive teams. If you choose to run Focus Blast, Fightinium Z can be run to OHKO Lickilicky without rocks, but Hydro Vortex provides more valuable OHKOs, and Hydro Vortex already OHKOs Lickilicky after Stealth Rocks anyway. Hyper Beam with Normalium Z can be run to break bulky Water-types like Silvally-Water, but it's missing misses out on valuable OHKO's that Hydro Vortex provides, in addition to that, a +2 Hydro Vortex after Hydro Pump combo KOes most of the things Pokemon you would use Hyper Beam for, like Silvally-Water and Mareanie. Scald can be used over Hydro Pump for added accuracy and a shot at a burn, but it's much weaker, hindering Simipour's wallbreaking abilities. Salac Berry and Gluttony can be run with Substitute to make Simipour harder to revenge kill, but Simipour misses the one-time nuke that Waterium Z provides.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Faster Offensive Pokemon**: As mentioned in the Overview, things Pokemon like Choice Scarf Chatot, Choice Scarf Electivire, (AC) and Simisage can easily KO Simipour thanks to their strength power and Simipour's lack of bulk.

**Grass-types**: Grass-types like Bellossom and Servine can tank an unboosted Ice Beam and threaten to KO back, or they can pivot into Hydro Pump, although none of them can safely switch in if it's (add apostrophe) at +2 because a boosted coverage move deals with all of them.

**Bulky Water-types**: Pyukumuku can stall Hydro Pump's PP by repeatedly switching in, but it's shut down by Substitute if Simipour decides to run it. Mareanie and Silvally-Water, while they are 2HKOed (remove apostrophe) by +2 Hydro Pump (RC) and can easily threaten Simipour back with Haze and Thunderbolt, respectively. (remove paragraphing) Finally, Lapras walls non-Focus Blast variants of Simipour (RC) and Lapras can fire back with either Freeze Dry or Perish Song and Whirlpool.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[JdRDMS, 451154]]
- Quality checked by: [[5gen, 296755], [Xayah, 167012], [Aaronboyer, 239454]]
- Grammar checked by: [[, ], [, ]]
 

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[OVERVIEW]
Simipour is one of the strongest special wallbreakers in ZU, with high Special Attack, a great Speed tier, and access to Nasty Plot. Backing this up is a good movepool, with an incredibly strong STAB move in Hydro Pump and great coverage moves like Ice Beam and Focus Blast. However, Simipour's power is held back offset by poor bulk, leaving it easily revenge killed by Pokemon Choice Scarf users (don't make this change if it messes with accuracy) like Choice Scarf Sawsbuck or Choice Scarf and Electivire. In addition, Simipour is generally outclassed as a Water-type wallbreaker by Floatzel; (SC) despite the fact that Simipour does have a higher Special Attack stat and access to Nasty Plot, Floatzel has higher Speed and can run Taunt more reliably compared to how unreliably Simipour can set up Substitute. Simipour also struggles with bulky Water-types, namely Silvally-Water and Mareanie, because Simipour it doesn't have the tools to deal heavy damage to them, even with Nasty Plot.

[SET]
name: Nasty Plot
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Hydro Pump
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Substitute / Focus Blast
item: Waterium Z
ability: Torrent
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
Ice Beam is the set's main coverage move, hitting Grass-types such as Gourgeist-XL and Dragon-types like Silvally-Dragon and Altaria. Substitute, when used on a forced switch, can allow Simipour to safely set up or start breaking if it already is set up, since Substitute prevents Simipour preventing it from taking damage the next turn. Alternatively, Focus Blast can be run for added coverage, allowing it Simipour to hit Normal- and Ice-types like Lickilicky, Komala, Regice, and Abomasnow super effectively. (RH)

Set Details
========
Waterium Z combined with Hydro Pump is incredibly strong, giving Simipour a one-time nuke; (SC) and at +2, it can OHKO things foes like Mareanie, Bronzor, specially defensive Komala, and Lickilicky after Stealth Rock, (make this "the latter after Stealth Rock" if necessary to resolve ambiguity) and more, though you do need to win the 50/50 chance mind game of Protect with Komala and Lickilicky. Using Substitute until Simipour is at Torrent range also gives Hydro Pump some additional power; (SC) +2 Torrent-boosted Hydro Pump can OHKO Pokemon like Lickilicky, Mareanie, and Komala after Stealth Rock, and it also 2HKOs as well as 2HKO Pyukumuku.

Usage Tips
========
It's best to bring in Simipour by though either pivots or double switches, to make sure that it takes as little damage as possible so it can set up safely. Setting up should be done on a predicted switch or when Substitute is up so it can wallbreak safely. However, unless there's a clean sweeping path ahead, it's best to wait to set up so you don't have to switch out, therefore losing and lose the boost from Nasty Plot. Also, as mentioned in Set Details, using Substitute to get into Torrent range can be used to get some extra power out of Hydro Pump to break more effectively isn't a bad idea. In addition, thanks to Simipour's high Speed stat, it can be used to revenge kill Pokemon without setting up Nasty Plot. Finally, be careful of Protect when using Hyrdro Hydro Vortex. If you use it when the opponent uses Protect, it'll be much weaker. Some notable users of Protect include Komala and Lickilicky. Substitute can be used to scout for Protect, though.

Team Options
========
Since Simipour wants to avoid chip damage for safer set-up setup and wallbreaking, an entry hazard remover like Rotom-Fan or Silvally-Dragon is highly appreciated. Similarly, hazard setters like Metang or Gabite are good partners for getting chip damage, allowing Simipour to KO foes more things easily. Something that can switch into or beat its checks is also greatly appreciated. For example, Golem, Gourgeist-Super, Gourgeist-XL, and Silvally-Ground can switch into Electivire, while Combuken Combusken, Rapidash, and Komala can deal with Choice Scarf Abomasnow. Other great partners for Simipour are Pokemon that appreciate its wallbreaking abilities. Examples include Choice Scarf Chatot (for breaking Bronzor) or and Monferno (for breaking Swanna). Finally, a slow pivot, such as Komala or Toucannon, that can get Simipour in more safely is appreciated.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
A Life Orb set containing running Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Knock Off, and Superpower with a 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe spread with and a Naive nature can be used for an attack a power boost without having to waste a turn, and it the physical coverage makes Simipour's match-up matchup against things like Lickilicky and Misdreavus better, thanks to having physical coverage; (SC) but however, the Nasty Plot set is generally preferred because it doesn't put Simipour on a timer (RC) and Nasty Plot gives you a bigger boost than Life Orb anyway. In addition, Life Orb's recoil makes Simipour easier to revenge kill, and mixed variants still suffer competition from Floatzel. Grass Knot can be run for alternative coverage, hitting things foes like Silvally-Water, but this comes with the cost of Simipour either being walled by things threats like Regice and Abomasnow or making it having a harder for Simipour to set time setting up. Taunt can be used to improve Simipour's matchup against stall, rendering things answers like Bronzor and Pyukumuku worthless, but this hinders Simipour's matchup against offensive teams. If you choose to run Focus Blast, Fightinium Z can be run to OHKO Lickilicky without rocks Stealth Rock, but Hydro Vortex provides more valuable OHKOs, and Hydro Vortex already OHKOs OHKOes Lickilicky after rocks Stealth Rock anyway. Hyper Beam with Normalium Z can be run to break bulky Water-types like Silvally-Water, but it's missing out on valuable OHKO's OHKOs that Hydro Vortex provides; (SC) in addition to that, a +2 Hydro Vortex/Hydro Pump combo KOs followed by Hydro Pump KOes most of the things foes you would use Hyper Beam for, like Silvally-Water and Mareanie. Scald can be used over Hydro Pump for added accuracy and a shot at a burn, but it's much weaker, hindering Simipour's wallbreaking abilities. Salac Berry and Gluttony can be run with Substitute to make Simipour harder to revenge kill, but Simipour misses the one-time nuke that Waterium Z provides.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Faster Offensive Pokemon**: As mentioned in the Overview, Pokemon like Choice Scarf Chatot, Choice Scarf Electivire, and Simisage can easily KO Simipour thanks to their power and Simipour's lack of bulk.

**Grass-types**: Grass-types like Bellossom and Servine can tank an unboosted Ice Beam and threaten to KO back, or they can pivot into Hydro Pump, although none of them can safely switch into +2 Simipour if it's at +2 because a boosted coverage move deals with all of them.

**Bulky Water-types**: Pyukumuku can stall Hydro Pump's PP by repeatedly switching in, but it's shut down by Substitute if Simipour decides to run it. Mareanie and Silvally-Water, while they are 2HKOed by +2 Hydro Pump, (AC) and can easily threaten Simipour back with Haze and Thunderbolt, respectively. Finally, Lapras walls non-Focus Blast variants of Simipour and can fire back with either Freeze Dry or Perish Song and Whirlpool.

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[OVERVIEW]
Simipour is one of the strongest special wallbreakers in ZU, with high Special Attack, a great Speed tier, and access to Nasty Plot. Backing this up is a good movepool, with an incredibly strong STAB move in Hydro Pump and great coverage moves like Ice Beam and Focus Blast. However, Simipour's power is offset by poor bulk, leaving it easily revenge killed by Choice Scarf users like Sawsbuck and Electivire. In addition, Simipour is generally outclassed as a Water-type wallbreaker by Floatzel; despite the fact that Simipour does have a higher Special Attack stat and access to Nasty Plot, Floatzel has higher Speed and can run Taunt more reliably compared to how unreliably Simipour can set up Substitute. Simipour also struggles with bulky Water-types, namely Silvally-Water and Mareanie, because it doesn't have the tools to deal heavy damage to them, even with Nasty Plot.

[SET]
name: Nasty Plot
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Hydro Pump
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Substitute / Focus Blast
item: Waterium Z
ability: Torrent
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
Ice Beam is the set's main coverage move, hitting Grass-types such as Gourgeist-XL and Dragon-types like Silvally-Dragon and Altaria. Substitute, when used on a forced switch, can allow Simipour to safely set up or start breaking if it already is set up, preventing it from taking damage the next turn. Alternatively, Focus Blast can be run for added coverage, allowing Simipour to hit Normal- and Ice-types like Lickilicky, Komala, Regice, and Abomasnow super-effectively.

Set Details
========
Waterium Z combined with Hydro Pump is incredibly strong, giving Simipour a one-time nuke; at +2, it can OHKO foes like Mareanie, Bronzor, specially defensive Komala, and Lickilicky, (the latter only after Stealth Rock), though you do need to win the mind game of Protect with Komala and Lickilicky. Using Substitute until Simipour is at Torrent range also gives Hydro Pump some additional power. +2 Torrent-boosted Hydro Pump can OHKO Pokemon like Lickilicky, Mareanie, and Komala after Stealth Rock, as well as 2HKO Pyukumuku.

Usage Tips
========
It's best to bring in Simipour through either pivots or double switches, to make sure that it takes as little damage as possible so it can set up safely. Setting up should be done on a predicted switch or when Substitute is up so it can wallbreak safely. However, unless there's a clean sweeping path ahead, it's best to wait to set up so you don't have to switch out, and lose the boost from Nasty Plot. Also, using Substitute to get into Torrent range to get some extra power out of Hydro Pump to break more effectively isn't a bad idea. In addition, thanks to Simipour's high Speed stat, it can be used to revenge kill Pokemon without setting up Nasty Plot. Finally, be careful of Protect when using Hydro Vortex. Some notable users of Protect include Komala and Lickilicky. Substitute can be used to scout for Protect, though.

Team Options
========
Since Simipour wants to avoid chip damage for safer setup and wallbreaking, a hazard remover like Rotom-F or Silvally-Dragon is highly appreciated. Similarly, hazard setters like Metang or Gabite are good partners for getting chip damage, allowing Simipour to KO foes more easily. Something that can switch into or beat its checks is also greatly appreciated. For example, Golem, Gourgeist-XL, and Silvally-Ground can switch into Electivire, while Combusken, Rapidash, and Komala can deal with Choice Scarf Abomasnow. Other great partners for Simipour are Pokemon that appreciate its wallbreaking abilities. Examples include Choice Scarf Chatot (for breaking Bronzor) and Monferno (for breaking Swanna). Finally, a slow pivot, such as Komala or Toucannon, that can get Simipour in more safely is appreciated.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
A Life Orb set running Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Knock Off, and Superpower with a 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe spread with and a Naive nature can be used for a power boost without having to waste a turn, and the physical coverage makes Simipour's matchup against things like Lickilicky and Misdreavus better, thanks to having physical coverage; however, the Nasty Plot set is generally preferred because it doesn't put Simipour on a timer and Nasty Plot gives a bigger boost than Life Orb. In addition, Life Orb's recoil makes Simipour easier to revenge kill, and mixed variants still suffer competition from Floatzel. Grass Knot can be run for alternative coverage, hitting foes like Silvally-Water, but this comes with the cost of either being walled by threats like Regice and Abomasnow or having a harder time setting up. Taunt can be used to improve Simipour's matchup against stall, rendering answers like Bronzor and Pyukumuku worthless, but this hinders Simipour's matchup against offensive teams. If you choose to run Focus Blast, Fightinium Z can be run to OHKO Lickilicky without Stealth Rock, but Hydro Vortex provides more valuable OHKOes OHKOs, and Hydro Vortex already OHKOes Lickilicky after Stealth Rock anyway. Hyper Beam with Normalium Z can be run to break bulky Water-types like Silvally-Water, but it's missing out on valuable OHKOs that Hydro Vortex provides, in addition to that, a +2 Hydro Vortex followed by Hydro Pump KOs KOes most of the foes you would use Hyper Beam for, like Silvally-Water and Mareanie. Scald can be used over Hydro Pump for added accuracy and a shot at a burn, but it's much weaker, hindering Simipour's wallbreaking abilities. Salac Berry and Gluttony can be run with Substitute to make Simipour harder to revenge kill, but Simipour misses the one-time nuke that Waterium Z provides.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Faster Offensive Pokemon**: Pokemon like Choice Scarf Chatot, Choice Scarf Electivire, and Simisage can easily KO Simipour thanks to their power and Simipour's lack of bulk.

**Grass-types**: Grass-types like Bellossom and Servine can tank an unboosted Ice Beam and threaten to KO back, or they can pivot into Hydro Pump, although none of them can safely switch into +2 Simipour because a boosted coverage move deals with all of them.

**Bulky Water-types**: Pyukumuku can stall Hydro Pump's PP by repeatedly switching in, but it's shut down by Substitute if Simipour decides to run it. Mareanie and Silvally-Water, while they are 2HKOed by +2 Hydro Pump, can easily threaten Simipour back with Haze and Thunderbolt, respectively. Finally, Lapras walls non-Focus Blast variants of Simipour and can fire back with either Freeze Dry or Perish Song and Whirlpool.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[JdRDMS, 451154]]
- Quality checked by: [[5gen, 296755], [Xayah, 167012], [Aaronboyer, 239454]]
- Grammar checked by: [[The Dutch Plumberjack, 232216], [, ]]

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