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Lord Xen III said:
Is there a particular spread?
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Excadrill @ Focus Sash
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Rock Tomb / Steel Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock

Mew @ Red Card / Mental Herb
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Taunt
- Spikes
- Explosion
- Stealth Rock

These is usually what you would see. On Excadrill, you have spin to deny opposing hazards and rock tomb so that faster mons will be slowed down. Excadrill is usually the type where 'either you kill me or set rocks but you can't do both'. I guess steel beam could also be used if you want to kill yourself or something

On Mew the gameplan is simple. You don't die in one hit so you don't need the sash and you have double hazards. This thing really fuels hazard stacking teams with Bisharp or Galarian Zapdos
 
can jirachi fit on stall? i've been building a stall and rachi looks interesting to pair with pex as it blocks fsight hard and also has a 60% chance to paralyze with body slam for speed control, if ever the opponent can't be poisoned, which opens a path for a wincon like hydreigon to break/sweep
 
looking at the pokemon tier lists on the website, i see that most of them have a second section that says "Other pokemon with strategies"

What exactly does that mean? for example I see aerodactyl listed in that section under ubers, and he has an uber suggested capitolizing on his fast stealth rock set on his strategy page, and then a NU and RU suggestion that lacks stealth rock, but does that imply that an Aerodactyl with stealth rock is banned from OU and under?
 
Tibryn said:
looking at the pokemon tier lists on the website, i see that most of them have a second section that says "Other pokemon with strategies"

What exactly does that mean? for example I see aerodactyl listed in that section under ubers, and he has an uber suggested capitolizing on his fast stealth rock set on his strategy page, and then a NU and RU suggestion that lacks stealth rock, but does that imply that an Aerodactyl with stealth rock is banned from OU and under?
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Hello! To answer your question - no, of course not. There aren't any banned moves, excluding Baton Pass. Some low tiered Pokemon, like Shuckle, for instance, have a page for Ubers and AG because they fulfill a niche in higher tiers. Taking from the last example, Shuckle is occasionally used in tiers much higher than it, even Ubers, because it learns a very useful move, Sticky Web, which not a lot of other 'mons learn.

Even though they fulfill a niche in higher tiers, they're not necessarily good, though.
 
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Tibryn said:
looking at the pokemon tier lists on the website, i see that most of them have a second section that says "Other pokemon with strategies"

What exactly does that mean? for example I see aerodactyl listed in that section under ubers, and he has an uber suggested capitolizing on his fast stealth rock set on his strategy page, and then a NU and RU suggestion that lacks stealth rock, but does that imply that an Aerodactyl with stealth rock is banned from OU and under?
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Yeah, to add to the above, the sets that are shown are all sets that are considered viable for that pokemon for the given tier. If multiple sets are listed, the "best" set is listed first. Aerodactyl's only real potential niche in Ubers is as a Stealth Rock suicide lead, because it's outclassed as a fast attacker there (there are Pokemon there that pose a much greater threat while hitting similar or even higher speed– look at Calyrex-Shadow). Whereas Aerodactyl has less competition as a fast attacker in NU and RU, so those sets are much more viable.
 
With Jolly, a single boost lands Bisharp at 524 Speed. This lets it outspeed Dragapult and Zera after one boost.

Sadly, this falls just short of the mark of outspeeding 110 Base Speed scarfers, who have a boosted speed of 525. The threshold of Base 110 Scarfers is important for speed-boosted Pokemon to pass, as 110 Base Speed Pokemon, like Gengar, are commonly scarfed. Although this threshold may be a bit outdated since Gengar is rarely used in the current meta, it's still applicable for outspeeding Scarf Kart, Blace, Lando, Zarude, and others. With 524, Bisharp barely outspeeds Scarfed Kart, Blace, and slower scarfers, but is speed crept by opposing speed-boosted Pokemon who also try to surpass the 110 scarf mark. Was that confusing? Sorry.

Anyway - it is an interesting set. Definitely viable, but dropping Band and/or SD shows a noticeable loss in breaking power and lessens Bisharp's effectiveness as a breaker. It makes Bisharp more of a setup sweeper/cleaner.

In addition, you could run Double Dance - both Rock Polish and Swords Dance, but you'll have limited options for attacking.
 
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hozuuu said:
With Timid, a single boost lands Bisharp at 524 Speed. With this, it can outspeed Dragapult and Zera after one boost.

Sadly, this falls just short of the mark of outspeeding 110 Base Speed scarfers, who have a boosted speed of 525. The threshold of Base 110 Scarfers is important for speed-boosted Pokemon to outspeed, as 110 Base Speed Pokemon, like Gengar, are commonly Scarfed. Although this threshold may be a bit outdated since Gengar is rarely used in the current meta, it's still somewhat applicable for outspeeding Scarfed Kart and Blace. With 524, Bisharp ties with Scarfed Kart and barely outspeeds Scarfed Blace and the rarer Scarfed Zarude.

Anyway - it is an interesting set. Definitely viable, but dropping Band and/or SD shows a noticeable loss in breaking power and lessens Bisharp's effectiveness as a breaker. It makes Bisharp more of a setup sweeper/cleaner.
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I saw them drop sucker punch for it. And when I think about, it, sucker punch is outsped by most priority users in the tier and also doesn't work against revenge kill Tapu Lele. but with Rock polish as purely a cleaner role has its benefits and don't have to worry as much about someone playing around sucker punch. Never tried it before but seems like a gem lol.
 
made some edits btw, +2 bisharp does outspeed scarf kart. i also meant jolly not timid lol
Lord Xen III said:
I saw them drop sucker punch for it. And when I think about, it, sucker punch is outsped by most priority users in the tier and also doesn't work against revenge kill Tapu Lele. but with Rock polish as purely a cleaner role has its benefits and don't have to worry as much about someone playing around sucker punch. Never tried it before but seems like a gem lol.
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yeah, completely agree. i didn't even know bisharp learned rock polish lol :row:
 
hozuuu said:
can jirachi fit on stall? i've been building a stall and rachi looks interesting to pair with pex as it blocks fsight hard and also has a 60% chance to paralyze with body slam for speed control, if ever the opponent can't be poisoned, which opens a path for a wincon like hydreigon to break/sweep
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Yes it can.
Its main niche is to counter Lele.
In addition, it helps to block Future Sight (not paired with Urshifu though), checks Clefable, demon Mew, (rare) Togekiss, spreads paralysis and wishes.
However, that's pretty much it.

Protect / Wish / Body Slam / Iron Head should be its best moveset in this regard.

Aegislash and Shedinja are good options, I think they share the same niche as Jirachi, but have more utility.
 
do madness finis prefer to run scald/surf to check heatran or whirlpool? most the time I don't need pool, but against pex and bro I sometimes do.
 
BeardedDrakon said:
do madness finis prefer to run scald/surf to check heatran or whirlpool? most the time I don't need pool, but against pex and bro I sometimes do.
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It depends on the team. Whirlpool + Nature's Madness can easily do the trick with the right conditions, but Scald or Surf can do the trick as well. There are a lot of possible variations of Tapu Fini overall.
 
Finchinator said:
Urshifu-Rapid, Scarf Tapu Fini, Melmetal, Bisharp, Scizor, Blaziken, and even Ninetales-Alola can work.
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I've gotten mixed reviews on Choice mons on HO, as I was advised against it since they can cause you to lose momentum, but they also solve some issues like giving you immediate breaking power. I realized this when using Weavile, it became hard to fit the coverage i wanted on SD sets. And I think scarf mons can help a lot too, like Fini, but I've been putting myself in a box by not considering them I feel.

I did consider ninetails and Blaziken and Bisharp, but not the others you listed !
 
Lord Xen III said:
I've gotten mixed reviews on Choice mons on HO, as I was advised against it since they can cause you to lose momentum, but they also solve some issues like giving you immediate breaking power. I realized this when using Weavile, it became hard to fit the coverage i wanted on SD sets. And I think scarf mons can help a lot too, like Fini, but I've been putting myself in a box by not considering them I feel.

I did consider ninetails and Blaziken and Bisharp, but not the others you listed !
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Tapu Fini clicks trick and can RK things like Weavile and Dragapult -- it's a very viable role compression option. In general, choiced Pokemon with trick or the ability to snowball are ok on HO so long as you have some priority to patch things up as well/in case Tapu Fini gives a free turn.

Either way, it's your call and good luck.
 
Finchinator said:
Tapu Fini clicks trick and can RK things like Weavile and Dragapult -- it's a very viable role compression option. In general, choiced Pokemon with trick or the ability to snowball are ok on HO so long as you have some priority to patch things up as well/in case Tapu Fini gives a free turn.
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Ah I see! I did not know that.
 
I was just checking pikalytics and saw that haxorus has over 54% usage for choice band, can someone explain this, also outrage had higher usage than scale shot Rivalry also had almost as much usage as mold breaker, are people using it the kill lando or something? (Yes this was for ssou)
 
RedDiamond1024 said:
I was just checking pikalytics and saw that haxorus has over 54% usage for choice band, can someone explain this, also outrage had higher usage than scale shot Rivalry also had almost as much usage as mold breaker, are people using it the kill lando or something? (Yes this was for ssou)
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I don't know where you saw this and it seems pretty surprising. Checked on Officer Jenny and Choice Band, Outrage and Rivalry all seem to be very uncommon (even though it's not the most up to date data, I don't think it changed this much in a few weeks/months).

Now an explanation of why these options which seem suboptimal have non negligible usage is that Haxorus is very uncommon on its own and as only a few people use it, if some of them use suboptimal sets it's gonna show up in the usage stat. In this particular case I think that Choice Band Haxorus is not completely stupid, even though setup sets remain better, and Rilvary can make sense to boost its damage output against some answers because there's not that much Unaware Clefable you need to beat with Mold Breaker and the few Choice Band sets don't run a boosting move. Outrage is probably used on the Choice Band set, even though it's a move rather hard to use in the current SS OU metagame with all the Tapus.

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ironwater said:
I don't know where you saw this and it seems pretty surprising. Checked on Officer Jenny and Choice Band, Outrage and Rivalry all seem to be very uncommon (even though it's not the most up to date data, I don't think it changed this much in a few weeks/months).

Now an explanation of why these options which seem suboptimal have non negligible usage is that Haxorus is very uncommon on its own and as only a few people use it, if some of them use suboptimal sets it's gonna show up in the usage stat. In this particular case I think that Choice Band Haxorus is not completely stupid, even though setup sets remain better, and Rilvary can make sense to boost its damage output against some answers because there's not that much Unaware Clefable you need to beat with Mold Breaker and the few Choice Band sets don't run a boosting move. Outrage is probably used on the Choice Band set, even though it's a move rather hard to use in the current SS OU metagame with all the Tapus.

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Thanks for responding, the only thing I have to say is that those are the usage stats for December 2021, idk if pikalytics has more up to date stats, and if not can you tell me where I could find the most up to date usage stats?
 
Finchinator said:
Tapu Fini clicks trick and can RK things like Weavile and Dragapult -- it's a very viable role compression option. In general, choiced Pokemon with trick or the ability to snowball are ok on HO so long as you have some priority to patch things up as well/in case Tapu Fini gives a free turn.

Either way, it's your call and good luck.
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what spread would you recommend for scarf Fini on HO ? im trying to decide between max health or max Spa
 
Lord Xen III said:
what spread would you recommend for scarf Fini on HO ? im trying to decide between max health or max Spa
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Tapu Fini @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Misty Surge
EVs: 184 HP / 112 SpA / 212 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Surf
- Trick
- Defog / Whatever you need

Spread takes two cb surging strikes and two specs shadowball from full hp, 2/3 of the time even with rocks up, and spatk ohkos pult, shifu and weavile with just one round of rocks/helmet. Speed is for pult, zera and +1 bulkarona.
For info, ohkoing weavile requires 228 spatk EVs, ohkoing pult requires 244.
 
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