Skarmory (RestTalk)

[Tomahawk]

Status: Waiting for QC Approval

[SET]
name: RestTalk
move 1: Rest
move 2: Sleep Talk
move 3: Spikes
move 4: Whirlwind
item: Leftovers / Shed Shell
nature: Careful
evs: 240 HP, 136 SpD, 132 Spe

Why this set deserves to be on-site:

• Sleep Talk negates the negative priority of Whirlwind
• Skarmory isn't bothered by status
• Can easily stack 3 layers of Spikes

Additional Comments:

• These evs let Skarmory outspeed 4 Speed Suicune, one of the fastest tanks. The other evs give Skarmory the best Defenses all around.
• 240 HP and 136 Defense evs with an Impish nature if you solely want to wall physical.
• 252 HP / 248 SpD / 8 Spe with a Careful nature or 252 HP / 248 Def / 8 Spe with an Impish nature if the Speed is not that important to you.

Teammates:

• This set works extraordinary well on a stall team as it forces switches with physical bulk and Whirlwind.
• Good teammates for Skarmory are Toxic Spikers. The best include Nidoqueen and Tentacruel.
• Blissey can sponge the special hits thrown at Skarmory and can also use Heal Bell or Aromatherapy to cure Skarmory of its sleep status.
• Hippowdon and Tyranitar can get up a Sandstorm to inflict more damage to the opponent.

 

[Tomahawk]

Note: It can outspeed other tanks so it can Sleep Talk before they attack (hopefully selecting Whirlwind).

 

[shrang]

... Why use RestTalk when you can use Roost and something else (Taunt, Torment, Brave Bird, etc)?? Yes, you get virtual status immunity, but it's not like Skarm would really have gotten that crippled by Will-O-Wisp and being immune to Toxic anyway.

 

[Tomahawk]

It's mainly for stall teams. Sleep Talk removes the negative priority whirlwind, you restore from status, you restore more so 3 layers is almost always up.

 

[Rayquaza2233]

Should probably mention how Taunt completely shuts you down. Also, this set was more helpful when Skarmory didn't have reliable recovery, I personally think it's kind of obsolete now.

 

[Eggbert]

I'd rather run roost and another slot for brave bird or taunt. Skarmory doesn't really care about any status but sleep. Without taunt, this is 100% settup fodder for the last poke. without brave bird you can't beat down stuff like breloom or machamp. I don't really see how it gets up layers easier than roost anyway.

 

[Faladran]

It looks like a pretty interesting set, but Skarmory does have some better move choices (as outlined by others). Roost is probably the most notable; good RestTalkers are typically bulky Pokemon that don't have access to recovery. Since this isn't the case with Skarmory, however, Rest may be unnecessary.

 

[SOMALIA]

Sherlock, explain how Skarmory will almost always get up 3 layers of spikes due to whirlwind not having negative priority while its asleep. You make no sense and this set performs exactly the same as Roost sets. It gets dismantled by opposing Taunters such as Gliscor and faster Skarmory. The only positive that Rest has it that it cures Paralysis but since you don't even bloody have Taunt I don't see why curing Paralysis is a major pro. Also incase you havent noticed almost everyone uses 252 Sp.A/ 252 Spe Timid Suicune.

It's mainly for stall teams. Sleep Talk removes the negative priority whirlwind, you restore from status, you restore more so 3 layers is almost always up.

Absolute garbage, Stall teams usually have a cleric and if they don't its usually because status does not bother the team so much. This set invites all sorts of sweepers as your relying on that 33% chance to execute a move while asleep.

 

[Demoness]

It's mainly for stall teams. Sleep Talk removes the negative priority whirlwind, you restore from status, you restore more so 3 layers is almost always up.

Uh, when your sleeping, you only have a 33% precent chance of chosing Whirlwind if you already got Spikes up ( and thats a big if), and honestly, Skarmyory gets Roost, so whats the point of getting rid of reliable recovery just for a non negative priorty Whirlwind? Status is taken care of by a cleric and as others said, without Taunt, slower set up pokes can switch in and set up while you have to hope Sleep Talk selects Whirlwind. And what if you Phaze and in comes a Magnezone/Infernape/Starmie/Heatran/ or anything else that threatens Skarmory? Switching out lets the opponet do what they want. All in all, this set is too unreliable, gets shut down by Taunt, is forced out way too easily, and is completely unesscessary because Skarmory gets Roost, which frees a moveslot for other things, like Taunt and Brave Bird.

Constantly posting sets in hopes that one of them will be good enough to pass QC is never a good idea. You need to make sure you playtested the set extensively and that it's not a gimmick that only works once and than it's pretty much worthless.

 

[Megan_Fox]

Uh, when your sleeping, you only have a 33% precent chance of chosing Whirlwind if you already got Spikes up ( and thats a big if), and honestly, Skarmyory gets Roost, so whats the point of getting rid of reliable recovery just for a non negative priorty Whirlwind? Status is taken care of by a cleric and as others said, without Taunt, slower set up pokes can switch in and set up while you have to hope Sleep Talk selects Whirlwind. And what if you Phaze and in comes a Magnezone/Infernape/Starmie/Heatran/ or anything else that threatens Skarmory? Switching out resets the Sleep counter and lets the opponet do what they want. All in all, this set is too unreliable, gets shut down by Taunt, is forced out way too easily, and is completely unesscessary because Skarmory gets Roost, which frees a moveslot for other things, like Taunt and Brave Bird.

Constantly posting sets in hopes that one of them will be good enough to pass QC is never a good idea. You need to make sure you playtested the set extensively and that it's not a gimmick that only works once and than it's pretty much worthless.

This post reflects my thoughts pretty accurately although in gen 4, the sleep counters do not reset upon switching out. As for this set, it seems like it can work but skarmory doesn't really suffer too much from status in general (Sleep and Burn can be cause some trouble) and considering that it already has a four move syndrome, I can't see much reason to use this over Roost unless you desperately need both a Pokemon that can switch into a sleep inducing move and a Spiker. Sorry but I'm going to have to reject this.

QC REJECTED (1/3)

 

[Curtains]

The idea of skarmory is to set up spikes as fast as you can and then wall stuff. Like other said the only status that really hurts you is paralysis and the only thing giving you paralysis that fails to kill you outright is blissey and you can set up on blissey if it lacks flamethrower so rest talk is a pretty lame gimmick.Not to mention brave bird or taunt or even stealth rock is a much better choice.With roost you can outstall a Lo metagross thunderpunch. Also stall out that LO suicune that wants to kill you. Roost is a better option.

 

[deinosaur]

Personally, I would not use this set. Sure it is surprise factor but really???

Skarmory used Rest!
Rotom-Whatever Forme switches in!
Skarmory used Sleep Talk!
Skarmory used Rest!
But it failed!
OHH CRAP
Rotom beats the heck outta you with Thunderbolt!

 

[Chillarmy]

I have a very hard time believing that the above "benefits" of running Rest + Sleep Talk are reason enough to use this over the sets already on-site.

Skarmory isn't bothered by status

With an immunity to Toxic, I highly doubt that Skarmory will really benefit from removing status. Paralysis is annoying, granted, but avoiding Earthquake from Swampert / Hippowdon and a SE Dynamicpunch from Machamp is actually pretty great. Burns aren't really that much of a problem given that Skarm is running Leftovers, or Taunt > Brave Bird for that matter.

Can easily stack 3 layers of Spikes

Uh, so Skarmory doesn't already "easily" stack 3 layers of Spikes with access to Roost along with Steel / Flying typing, a base 140 Defense, and Taunt? If that's the case, then we've been doing something wrong...

 

[NightShadow]

... Why use RestTalk when you can use Roost and something else (Taunt, Torment, Brave Bird, etc)?? Yes, you get virtual status immunity, but it's not like Skarm would really have gotten that crippled by Will-O-Wisp and being immune to Toxic anyway.

I'd rather run roost and another slot for brave bird or taunt. Skarmory doesn't really care about any status but sleep. Without taunt, this is 100% settup fodder for the last poke. without brave bird you can't beat down stuff like breloom or machamp. I don't really see how it gets up layers easier than roost anyway.

It looks like a pretty interesting set, but Skarmory does have some better move choices (as outlined by others). Roost is probably the most notable; good RestTalkers are typically bulky Pokemon that don't have access to recovery. Since this isn't the case with Skarmory, however, Rest may be unnecessary.

Uh, when your sleeping, you only have a 33% precent chance of chosing Whirlwind if you already got Spikes up ( and thats a big if), and honestly, Skarmyory gets Roost, so whats the point of getting rid of reliable recovery just for a non negative priorty Whirlwind? Status is taken care of by a cleric and as others said, without Taunt, slower set up pokes can switch in and set up while you have to hope Sleep Talk selects Whirlwind. And what if you Phaze and in comes a Magnezone/Infernape/Starmie/Heatran/ or anything else that threatens Skarmory? Switching out lets the opponet do what they want. All in all, this set is too unreliable, gets shut down by Taunt, is forced out way too easily, and is completely unesscessary because Skarmory gets Roost, which frees a moveslot for other things, like Taunt and Brave Bird.

Constantly posting sets in hopes that one of them will be good enough to pass QC is never a good idea. You need to make sure you playtested the set extensively and that it's not a gimmick that only works once and than it's pretty much worthless.

Shrang, Eggbert, Faladran and Berserker Lord basically summed up what I had to say. Skarm has much more notable moves like ROOST. Hell even ChestoRest would be better than RestTalk.

It's mainly for stall teams. Sleep Talk removes the negative priority whirlwind, you restore from status, you restore more so 3 layers is almost always up.

That doesn't help. I'd rather have a negative priority whirlwind than a 66.66% chance of using a useful move and a 33.33% chance of using an absolutely useless move. And who cares about negative priority? Skarmory is almost always slower than the opposing Poke.

 

[Kevin Garrett]

It's good to be able to control what moves you use. Skarmory is one of those Pokemon where it's sometimes crucial to lay Spikes, Whirlwind, or have timely recovery with Roost. RestTalk works for things like Rotom-A, Gyarados, etc. because 1) they don't have a more reliable form of recovery and 2) they have useful moves to use from Sleep Talk. Gyarados has Waterfall and Rotom-A has either dual STAB or Will-o-Wisp, making a switch in have only a 1/3 chance of coming in on what the best outcome. Skarmory only has one move to worry about, which is Whirlwind. You say this is good for stall because it can absorb status and have a fast Whirlwind, but there are other Pokemon that can do both of those better. And then you lessen your ability to effectively set up Spikes. It's just not optimal.

 

[More Cowbell]

RestTalk could work I think, but only very situational. As just about everybody before me pointed out, Roost is better than Rest + Sleep Talk, and the extra movespot can be used for something more useful.

I'm not a great Skarmory-user anyways, but if I would be, this wouldn't be the set I'd be running.

 

[smashlloyd20]

It's good to be able to control what moves you use. Skarmory is one of those Pokemon where it's sometimes crucial to lay Spikes, Whirlwind, or have timely recovery with Roost. RestTalk works for things like Rotom-A, Gyarados, etc. because 1) they don't have a more reliable form of recovery and 2) they have useful moves to use from Sleep Talk. Gyarados has Waterfall and Rotom-A has either dual STAB or Will-o-Wisp, making a switch in have only a 1/3 chance of coming in on what the best outcome. Skarmory only has one move to worry about, which is Whirlwind. You say this is good for stall because it can absorb status and have a fast Whirlwind, but there are other Pokemon that can do both of those better. And then you lessen your ability to effectively set up Spikes. It's just not optimal.

Although many people have said this, I just really agree with them. This set would be so much better if Skarm didn't get Roost, but since it does this set is totally outclassed. Sorry for being one of the 1000000 people to bash this set, but there are better options.

 

[Seven Deadly Sins]

I... just can't really back this set at all. There are a number of major issues with this set.

1: Roost is awesome. Like, incredible. It prevents slower Tyranitar from just muscling through with Stone Edge, it heals more on average per turn than Rest, and it's just generally great.
2: As KG pointed out, Skarmory really needs to be one of those Pokemon that has complete control over its actions at any given time. It needs to be able to lay down Spikes when it gets the chance, Whirlwind out lethal opponents, and even attack with Brave Bird or Drill Peck when the need arises. With this, you're actually giving up the ability to defeat nasty opponents like CBTar (which easily 2HKOs with Stone Edge), offensive DD Gyarados (if you don't WW against it, it *will* maul you flat out), and other things which Skarmory would have been able to beat otherwise.
3: It's complete Taunt bait. No questions asked.
4: Delay-free Whirlwind is pretty cool, but not when you have uninvested base 70 Speed. If something is slower than you, you're better off being awake and having the chance to either Spike on them for free or Roost up on them for free than you are having the 33% chance to Whirlwind them out.

In short, this set gives up some of Skarmory's most prominent advantages for a dubious advantage in the form of priority-free Whirlwind, and that's just not enough.

QC REJECTED (2/3)

 

[panamaxis]

Basically agreeing with all the stuff that's already been mentioned, thanks for trying though!

QC "better luck next time" (3/3)

 

[Tomahawk]

Thanks for commenting.

 

[Setsuna]

Later ;)