Slaying the Dragon

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It's no question that Dragon-types just about rule the roost in OU right now. Characteristically high base stats, notably in Attack and Speed; great typing on all fronts; and massive movepools set them apart from the pack as powerful Pokemon capable of sweeping teams at their leisure. Time and time again, they have proven themselves as monsters on the field of battle.
Dragon as a type
Dragons in the Top 100 (source)
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 | Rank | Pokemon         | Usage  | Percent | KOs/b     | Turns/b   | 
 + ---- + --------------- + ------ + ------- + --------- + --------- + 
 | 1    | Dragonite       | 92954  | 24.102% | 0.92±1.10 | 4.98±4.50 | 
 | 10   | Latios          | 48078  | 12.466% | 0.89±0.99 | 4.06±2.86 | 
 | 19   | Haxorus         | 35168  |  9.119% | 1.03±1.12 | 3.66±2.26 | 
 | 31   | Salamence       | 24277  |  6.295% | 0.78±0.97 | 3.67±2.72 | 
 | 35   | Latias          | 20467  |  5.307% | 0.72±1.04 | 6.09±5.61 | 
 | 37   | Hydreigon       | 19412  |  5.033% | 0.89±1.02 | 4.10±2.77 | 
 | 68   | Kingdra         | 8528   |  2.211% | 0.89±1.07 | 4.33±2.95 | 
 | 88   | Flygon          | 4396   |  1.140% | 0.62±0.88 | 3.54±2.54 |
 | 91   | Kyurem          | 4200   |  1.089% | 1.07±1.10 | 3.87±2.60 |
That's nine. Count 'em, NINE. There are only eleven fully evolved non-Uber Dragons (the missing two here are Altaria and Druddigon). And that's leaving out Zwelious, who boasts the strongest Outrage in the game.

So here's the question:
How do we beat them?

If you look through the movepool of a Dragon, chances are you'll find that it has a move for every situation. Dragonite and Salamence can go special, Latios can carry Psyshock or Calm Mind, and Haxorus pretty much rapes everything with 147 Attack. Many have high defenses. You could go so far as to say that some are uncounterable - an example is Dragonite. Great bulk compounded by Multiscale, high Attack, and Dragon Dance or Extremespeed to fix its own slowness are only part of the problem, as its special movepool is also incredibly vast and powerful. It has no definite counters. Even when you know the set, countering it is hard due to its sheer power. This is true with almost every Dragon - your "counter" is taking a ton of damage, rendering it almost useless later on. So what can we do to save ourselves from being ravaged by a Dragon?

From what I can see, there are two options.
Hit Them Where It Hurts

This may seem obvious, but surprisingly it can be quite hard. Whether they're blindingly fast or incredibly bulky, they seem invincible. But, just like any other Pokemon, they can be taken down.

Brute Force
A classic way of shoving through just about everything, it works here too - although you may have to force some switches to get it to work. By focusing primarily on neutral or super effective attacks, many high-power Pokemon can simply muscle their way through. Some of these include Haxorus, Scizor, Conkeldurr, Gyarados and Kyurem. All of these have weaknesses of their own that can be exploited by your opponent, however, so play wisely.

Freeze 'Em To Death
No, I'm not saying "RUN HP ICE ON EVERYTHING GAIZ." I'm not saying that you should all run Ice moves whenever you can. I'm basically telling you to flip Stealth Rock the bird and run an Ice-type Pokemon. "But Arcticblast, Stealth Rock makes all Ice-types worthless! They take extra damage when they switch in!" So do Dragonite, Ninetails, Cloyster, Gyarados, Salamence, and particularly Volcarona - all common OU Pokemon. Hell, we banned Thundurus - yet another Pokemon weak to Stealth Rock. Weakness to Stealth Rock is not a death sentence. Several Ice-types fare well in OU today, particularly Cloyster, Mamoswine (who is SR-neutral!), Kyurem, and my personal favorite Weavile. Cloyster can take a hit, Shell Smash, and KO with Icicle Spear. Mamoswine can use Icicle Crash for the KO. Kyurem is an excellent Scarfer who can use both of its STABs to annihilate opposing Dragons. And Weavile's lightning Speed and high Attack makes it an excellent dragon killer with Ice Punch.

Cripple Them

With the advent of Prankster and the fall of Deoxys-Speed, there have been a few good "annoyers," or support Pokemon that help the team by crippling and enraging the opponent. We're not just talking about plain old Rocks, either. Deoxys, with his truly supersonic Speed stat, can lay down hazards and KO with Ice Beam. Onto the pranksters. Whimsicott can Seed and paralyze. Tornadus... uhh... Murkrow can Perish Trap, and Sableye can burn. Simply crippling a Dragon can help to take it down.

Questions for discussion:
  • Can Dragons be stopped?
  • Are there ways to beat Dragons that don't cost you a Pokemon?
  • Despite the presence of Stealth Rock, are Ice-types worth using to beat Dragons?
  • How do YOU beat Dragons?
 
I think that you should at least metion a STEEL. The are better than ice types at killing dragons because they can switch into the dragon type moves. I think it is REALLY strange that you don't mention that. There is Scizor, Ferrothorn, Heatran, Jirachi, and Skarmory all in the top 15 usage statistics because they can switch into dragons with out loosing a pokemon. Ice types usually arn't worth int because they CAN'T SWITCH IN. They only tend to be good on hyper offense teams.
 
  • Can Dragons be stopped?
    [*]Are there ways to beat Dragons that don't cost you a Pokemon?
    [*]How do YOU beat Dragons?


Slowbro @ Leftovers

Bold, Regenerator

252 HP/252 Def/4 Sp Att

Yawn
Ice Beam
Scald
Flamethrower

Comes in on a dragon as soon as it appears and Yawns. Semi-phazes the dragon as some players elect to keep the Dragon in. Usually I'll go for Scald hoping for a burn, then spam Ice Beam until my dragon problem goes away.
 
Yeah, Steel types really are your best bet. The best way to deal with Dragons is to force em to use Outrage (by putting in a Pokemon that can threaten it and won't be OHKO'd by coverage moves) and switching in the Steel, who can then proceed to do whatever the hell it wants until Outrage runs out.

Another nifty trick I have is my Hydration Rest Vaporeon (yes I'm plugging it again. It is relevant).

Vaporeon (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Hydration
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Scald
- Toxic
- Haze
- Rest

This set works particularly well against Boosting dragons, who lack the power to bust through her without boosts but can't get any boosts thanks to haze. Scald is extremely useful for burning dragons on the switch, and Toxic can deal with Roosting variants quite well. It has more trouble with life orb or banded variants of the dragons though, as switching in against them is not an option and they do enough damage to 2HKO, meaning that while you can stall for a while with Rest, all it takes is one crit to screw you over and you never get any opportunities to strike back.

But yeah, Steels are usually your best bet. Scizor is of particular note, being able to switch into most Outrages and usually OHKO or at worst 2HKO with bullet punch.

What really makes Dragons so formidable though is their versatility. If you guess wrong as to what set your opponent is using, it could cost you the match. I don't know how many times I've had opponents waste time trying to burn my Special based Dragonite, or had their Skarmory OHKO'd by a surprise Thunder. Even Haxorus, which has all of 3 sets and a grand total of five common attacks (3 of which are dragon type) manages to be unpredictable, since if you try to deal with CB Haxorus the same way you deal with SD Haxorus, you're in a boat load of trouble. So yes, they can be stopped... but you have to be very careful how you go about it.
 
Deoxys, with his truly supersonic Speed stat, can lay down hazards and KO with Ice Shard
...right.

You might want to keep Stealth Rock on the field as it helps with identifying the set. For example, when Dragonite comes in taking SR damage, you can scout for lefties and determine the set more easily. Team Preview actually already tells you what kind of set it's running.
If present on a rain team, it's probably either Mixed or fully Special.
In a weatherless team this is harder to do, but think logically.
If the team is more stall based, it's probably a shuffler.
On Bulky Offense, obviously a high chance for a Bulky DDnite encounter.
And then there's the Offensive DDnite of course, present in HO teams.

And when it comes to the other Dragons...yeah, most of them aren't exactly known for using many sets, with besides Dragonite, only Salamence can boast being entirely unpredictable due to it's many sets.
Latios and Hydreigon are seldom seen using a mixed / physical set, Haxorus is Haxorus and will always run physical. And while Latias is a bit more unpredictable than her brother, (Sub)CM or shufflers are seen a lot, the other ones...not so much.

As to how I take care of them...
JUST HIT THEM. HARD.
No, just do.
If you're really desperate, use Shell Smash Cloyster and make Dragons weep.
 
"Crippling" is my personal favorite method. Although I play mostly GBU, I can say that Dragons still run rampant there and so I often bring at least two solid Dragon killers. Regigigas (don't you judge :P) takes the Cresselia approach of taking neutral damage to their attacks, tanking Outrages, and Thunder Waving them in return so a teammate can potentially set up. Scarf Tyranitar does well at handling the Lati@s and unboosted Salamence, and I've had success against Dragonite with it too.

Hydreigon always throws me for a loop. "No, this one probably doesn't have OH IT DOES HAVE TAUNT!" Things like that. Very annoying.
 
  • Can Dragons be stopped? Yes, by Steel pokémon. Go-to-attack Outrage locks them in place for you to toxic them with Ferrothorn.
  • Are there ways to beat Dragons that don't cost you a Pokemon? Switching in a Steel pokémon at the right time. Get them while they're setting up. Phazing them away.
  • Despite the presence of Stealth Rock, are Ice-types worth using to beat Dragons? No, but seeing as Ice Beam is learned by everyone and their dog, there's no reason to use a dedicated Ice pokémon. They don't even resist. Notable pokémon you'd use anyway and can use Ice Beam on: Gastrodon, Dragonite, Starmie, Slowbro, Kyurem, Jellicent and Deoxys. Special mention to Bastiodon, as it is the only Steel+Ice Beam pokémon. There's also Avalanche and Ice Shard, but they are not as splashable.
  • How do YOU beat Dragons? On my Sunny Day team I have a Chlorophyll HP Ice Venusaur that's just baller. I have a Claydol that can take a +1 Outrage from Dragonite with Toxic and Ice Beam and a Scarftran with Dragonpulse. Add Stealth Rock and you have no problems.
I find it baffling that you think Dragons are an issue. Sure, they're there. But there's 9 of them. Which means there's 91 that are not dragons. Of those 9 Dragons, the botom 3 don't even make up 5% usage. That Dragonite is the absolute number 1 right now is undisputable. That'll either settle or action will be taken, but I personally don't think Dragons as a whole are an issue.


For instance, there's only 2 Dragons in the top 10, but 3 Steel types. There's 4 Water types in the Top 20, against only 3 Dragons. Numbers don't mean a thing on their own.



Just make sure you have a general counter to them, just as you do any other type or specific pokémon. I do feel Dragonite is a force that should always be in the back of your mind, but everything else is just another pokémon.
 
  • Can Dragons be stopped? Yes, I find bulky waters the most effective at stopping dragons seeing as almost all of them run Ice Beam and if not they have Toxic which cripples LO dragons. I don't think you can just say "Switch in a steel problem solved" because unless you know it's running a choiced set you could potentially be KOd by the Fire attack and they're still going to be taking a lot of damage from a +1 Outrage. Ferrothorn in rain can cripple dragons with Thunder Wave and can live at least one fire type attack even if it isn't specially invested.
  • Are there ways to beat Dragons that don't cost you a Pokemon? The key is knowing the set, which isn't always easy but as Ningildo said by seeing what the rest of the team is you can have a good idea at what the most likely set is going to be. I also find Prankster pokémon can really screw over Dragons by locking them into Dragon Dance with Encore or by WOW'ing them. Although you have to watch out with Substitute sets because if they sub when you go for the status move they have a free turn to attack or DD up. I think the most effective way of stopping DDSub dragons is Perish Song Politoed.
  • Despite the presence of Stealth Rock, are Ice-types worth using to beat Dragons? I think the only Ice type pokémon OU worthy is Mamoswine because of it's potential of end game sweeping especially once Skarmory is out of the way and because it's a good pokémon on it's own anyway.
  • How do YOU beat Dragons? Usually I send in my steels and try to cripple with Thunder Wave or send out my bulky water to take the attacks.
 
Yeah, Steel types really are your best bet. The best way to deal with Dragons is to force em to use Outrage (by putting in a Pokemon that can threaten it and won't be OHKO'd by coverage moves) and switching in the Steel, who can then proceed to do whatever the hell it wants until Outrage runs out.

Another nifty trick I have is my Hydration Rest Vaporeon (yes I'm plugging it again. It is relevant).

Vaporeon (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Hydration
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Scald
- Toxic
- Haze
- Rest

This set works particularly well against Boosting dragons, who lack the power to bust through her without boosts but can't get any boosts thanks to haze. Scald is extremely useful for burning dragons on the switch, and Toxic can deal with Roosting variants quite well. It has more trouble with life orb or banded variants of the dragons though, as switching in against them is not an option and they do enough damage to 2HKO, meaning that while you can stall for a while with Rest, all it takes is one crit to screw you over and you never get any opportunities to strike back.

But yeah, Steels are usually your best bet. Scizor is of particular note, being able to switch into most Outrages and usually OHKO or at worst 2HKO with bullet punch.

What really makes Dragons so formidable though is their versatility. If you guess wrong as to what set your opponent is using, it could cost you the match. I don't know how many times I've had opponents waste time trying to burn my Special based Dragonite, or had their Skarmory OHKO'd by a surprise Thunder. Even Haxorus, which has all of 3 sets and a grand total of five common attacks (3 of which are dragon type) manages to be unpredictable, since if you try to deal with CB Haxorus the same way you deal with SD Haxorus, you're in a boat load of trouble. So yes, they can be stopped... but you have to be very careful how you go about it.

This set can't switch into a single one of those threats because it gets flat out 2HKOed by every single boosting Dragon in the metagame. Dragon Dance Haxorus, Salamence and Dragonite all 2HKO with Outrage, even after the haze drop. Your set only works if they attempt set up on Vaporeon, but smart players won't do that.

A good way to deal with Dragon types in general is run a rain team + steel types. (This is one of the main reason why Rain is so good, it neuters the best coverage moves for dragon types) I'm a fan of rain + physically defensive bronzong to check almost all variants of Dragonite.

Good dragon killers

Mamoswine: Self explanatory really, has a ridiculously powerful ice stab move in icicle drop (which can actually break through Dragonites Multiscale) the strongest priority ice user in the game AND Stealth Rock which nerfs Dragonite & Salamence.

Choice Scarf Haxorus: This will catch a lot of players off guard when used properly. What makes scarf hax so good is the ability to OHKO +1 Multiscale boosted Dragonite with Outrage, something no other scarfer can boast (not even Mamoswine can do that with scarf icicle drop) it also OHKOes all of the other non-boosted Dragon types.

Weavile: If you aren't a complete scrub (which sadly the majority of weavile users are) then Weavile is pretty damn useful. It lacks a good stab move (fuck not having an ice move thats stronger than Ice Punch) but its pretty damn fast and can Pursuit the Lati twins. Difficult to use, and you're usually better off using Mamoswine. It not "bad" though.

Physically defensive Porygon2: Good luck taking this down. On top of having a strong Ice Beam, it even comes equip with Thunder Wave which makes it one of the best checks to physical Dragon types out there.

This thread's got potential, but I fear people will end up substituting "what works" with "their favorites."
 
Slowbro @ Leftovers
Bold, Regenerator
252 HP/252 Def/4 Sp Att
Yawn
Ice Beam
Scald
Flamethrower

Vaporeon (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Hydration
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Scald
- Toxic
- Haze
- Rest
I might test these i would run damage calc but i'm abit bogged down in work ATM. Last gen i used empoleon as a dragon check it worked well, but i'm not sure this generation though
 
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