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NOC Smalltown Hotel Mafia - Game Thread (MAFIA WINS)

Celever said:
Also that is an atrocious scum pool hal and Tommy have possibly the most negative scumbud equity in the game rn and the other 2 are just the other EoD wagon and the person you’ve had an unbridled hatred toward for the entire game
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if dusk is scum then hal is clear. if dusk isnt, hal next. dont assume things. i dont hate u. but ur iso is shit

vote duskfall
 
M24 said:
yeah sure, was told by eli I believe to switch one of eli, psy and some other person (basically strong townleans with good roles) with one person i shouldn't disclose

The thought process was pretty much just that killing the forum mafia newbie would not be the play as maf
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FWIW what I was getting at with the targets being odd is you protected a p uni-townread by redirecting them onto a.... p uni-townread haha. The idea of baiting the kill is to move it to someone you personally scumread so it didn't make much sense :worrycargo:
 
Celever said:
Votecount reminded me realiti is in the game LMAO. Their entrance was theoretically fine they can be a minor townlean

AG minor scumlean for the AI posting they've done since, does feel somewhat contrived and like he's just trying to throw anything into a threadstate he doesn't care to understand much. Which is like, valid bc that's his own analysis of his POV rn but he also has no real issue drawing quick conclusions from searches when prompted. Which feels a little like he knows more than is letting on yk
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Hey so I saw the M24 is poisoned, and of the wagons D1, that only leaves myself and Dusk, so going over Dusk's posts, I saw this while looking. I'd just like to note, I'm adept at searching and a fast reader to boot - Give me a full afternoon, and I can down an entire novel in just that one sitting (modulo a meal, and my attention now being more able to drift from focusing on it). The sheer amount of fluff posts make skipping to the meat relatively easy.
 
Just in case anything I post here could be construed as a vote, there's an unvote at the end.

A preface to this ISO: I perceived the primary wagons as HH, M24, me, and Duskfall. HH is voted out, one of them is me, and M24 is poisoned (or so realiti claimed), so I decided to look into the last member of that list. Yeah, I'm looking at Duskfall.

He's one of our more active posters, so this was a bit of a slog. There's a couple of key moments here: Page 63, where he had no posts but where Nuxl did the "is weird" post, pushing that post as a townread then claiming the push was a joke, and the botched re-arrange list. Also he was on the HH wagon. Depending on how M24 flips, if he flips, then most of the game will have been wrong so that won't be Alignment-indicative I guess.

My full summary is below with pages cited, but here's some highlights:
Reads as Town: Psy, Celever, M24, LS
Feels wishy-washy: Nuxl and apricity. Odd because of Nuxl's post.
Scumreads: realiti
Is called out by: Nuxl (page 63), skipper (re: reaction to page 63).
The bad re-arrange list.
The wrong wagon.

If Duskfall is scum, then these people aren't: realiti, Nuxl, skipper. And then I want to take a look at Celever, LS, and apricity to make sure he didn't try to hide any scum in his not-evil lists.
And given the highlights other than his reads are all scum-leaning stuff...
I'm having my doubts now.

Duskfall98 ISO:
Page 4: Says he'll reassign the whole game D1 (later tries and fails). Remarks on Psy being coherently agianst one person (himself)
Page 5: votes apricity. RVS? Argues with Psy, saying if he's scum then giving good roles to his team would be a way to out the entire team. Re-iterates a D1 role reassign, specifies EOD for reads. Actually holds to EOD for trying.
Page 6-7: Theorizes on danger of roles. Some arguing with Psy saying he shouldn't spam so many posts.
Page 8: Says he's trying to be nice but Psy is making it hard. Getting flashbacks to my Matrices performance where I said similar things and only killed Psy when I thought he was a power role that could out me.
Page 9-13: Not much, arguing with Psy. At the end of page 13, futilely tries to get something definitive out of Psy.
Page 14: Townreads Psy. Some joking about Psy's erratic behavior.
Page 15: I'm noticing a trend of not caring if Psy scumreads him.
Pages 16-17: not much.
Page 18: Calls out the "if X doesn't die, vote them tomorrow" mindset... of Psy. FTR, I agree with that up to a point (the breaking point involving actual solves)
Pages 19-28: not much. Nothing after page 20.
Page 29: more Psy argument, then responding to JALMONT's megapost. Unfortunately, it's just a how-to-cabinet-shuffle post. Bolded because it's the first major non-Psy interaction of his.
Pages 30-37: not much. Nothing from 31.
Page 38: Returns to the thread, Says Nuxl hasn't been very obv town. Mentions a crosspost, but a quick search tells me the Duskfall is Weird post by Nuxl is not until page 63
Page 39: Lots of posts. Mostly asking people what they want him to rearrange stuff as. Gives another few posts that could be construed as Townreading Psy, and not townreading Nuxl and apricity (but not being against them either)
Page 40: Seems mostly joking about who he'll give the BPV to. Definitely not liking his tone.
Page 41: Excuses lack of reads as being because of Psy. I sympathise, but I gave like 5 reads during the day, and he's maybe done 3 by this point and is able to be a lot more active?
Page 42: Okay, another read. Reads skippergamez towny. Nothing on 43.
Page 44: Suggests making realiti poison during N1, then claim who or get voted Note realiti claimed in a brief post later who, on page 106. Asks Celever and JALMONT for reads, though Celever already posted a list. I recall having seen that list, though I don't recall what was on it. Despite the brain drain from D1-we-know-why
Page 45: Finds the list, asks if it's still current. Calls out Celever's M24 progression but nothing else, then votes realiti (I unbolded so it doesn't count). Backtracks when Celelver explains. Laughs off apricity voting him.
Page 46: Suggests shooting a counterwagon with poisoner. Within the me/M24/HH/Duskfall list of people who had major wagons, this is exactly what happened. That said, I have some trouble arguing with the logic.
Page 47: Wants more content from realiti. Townreads Celever
Page 48-53: Explains to Psy, including the townread of Celever. Lot of arguing with Psy. Tells Celever we're not voting out Psy. Bunch of banter. Nothing on 52 or 54-61
Page 62: Lot of banter, says he lost a lot of Internet connectivity. Nothing on 63.

Page 63, or: when Nuxl says Duskfall is being weird.. Special cutoff because gut tells me this is important

Page 64: Rebuts the "weird post" point of engaging people, saying that's NAI for him. Also suggests skipper read the post.
Page 65: Banter that ...on reflection, given him saying the "weird post" was a towncase, then IIRC saying it was a joke later, this feels like a smokescreen to make us forget that post that felt scum-lean.
Page 66: Argues with realiti and not in the dealing-with-Psy kind of way. A bit more on claiming that "weird" post was a townlean.
Page 67: Townreads Nuxl for so much effort into a read on himself Nothing on 68.
Page 69: Ignores Psy. Says that if I'm mafia, I'll mess up really badly, though he didn't read Matrices. I learned from that one, Duskfall! Got it to final 3 in Matrices! Townreads M24 and LS
Page 70-71: Does what feels like casting shade on JALMONT, pushing away Nuxl's townread of him. Lots of discussion with Nuxl. Nothing on 72.
Page 73: Despite 7 posts, feels like fluff mostly. This late in the game, too, and not dealing with problems.

Page 74: The page Skippers calls out milking a townread out of page 63 and Duskfall passes off his attempt as a joke.

Page 75: Indicates a use of his power to save himself by re-arranging the doublevoter.
Page 76: Ah, Duskfall is the one who said the self-preservation reasoning that I cited for my own EOD. And discussion of how to use the re-arrange. It is less than 3.5 hours until DL at this point.
Page 77: Look to my summary of page 18. Though for Poisoner, an "if they don't claim who they do it to, then vote them" isn't the same, ... I've had some time for the past pages to sink in, and ... I don't like it. Something feels wrong. Scrumreads realiti, argues against M24's no vote idea. I agree with the latter, no read on realiti for me, though. Yet.
Page 78: Mostly filler, but least townie to him are "ag/skipper/hydro/oden"
Page 79-84: Mostly talk about re-arranging roles. Another reference to the page 63 is a townread joke. Some banter as well. Pro-psy, Pro-Nuxl.
Pages 85-86: Not much that's AI.
Page 87: Says he would gladiate realiti if he could. Nothing on 88.
Page 89-90: Banter, more re-arrange discussion, and discussion on poisoner targets.
Page 91: A full re-arrange list that doesn't include the double poison I recall being called out. Pro-Celever
Pages 92-93: Not much of importance that hasn't been said.
Page 94: Calls realiti an "easy sell". 95 is just administrative commentary.
Page 96: Pins the vote on himself dissipating on me voting him to save myself.
Pages 97-101: Not much. Does some summarizing of gamestate and the wagons.
Page 102: Another list. Again, without the double poison. Votes HH.
Page 103: Tries to verify HH as vote target. Given his own role, that's an excuse, I guess.
Page 104: The botched list with double poison. Deadline called.

Unvote as promised.
 
Um, I wrote up the draft in notepad and used the code-version of bolding. I appear to have missed an unbold tag. Presumably ending the page 74 thing. In the bold stuff, look for Page 87 and 94. Pretty sure he and realiti can't be scum together, and realiti is looking good by comparison.

Unvote just in case. Though after that ISO, I might be persuadable if we don't have a better target.
 
I'm going to be real with you guys, that was horrible end of day, and sure you can blame me because i was watching on my phone, but how we ended up on a guy who came out of nowhere and more importantly WASN'T EVEN AROUND is absolutely mindblowing to me.

very interested to hear tommy's big gambit i know for sure he's either 1. mafia or 2. tried to make some big brained play. or he's trolling. pretty sure it's 1 though

i ain't trying to hammer anyone but consider this a vote for DUSK
 
from the host:
Tracker - Tracker gets their results
Fruit Vendor & Motivator - Their targets are told they were visited
Absorber - Learns who visited them via absorption
Gladiator & Role Swapper - The whole thread is alerted when either of these are used
Doublevoter - constant feedback in the votecount

tracker - tracked hal, went nowhere
bus driver - swapped psy and skipper
kill delayer - refuses to claim
poisoner - poisoned m24 the bus driver
1-shot gladiator - went nowhere, claims to have tried to gladiate dusk end of day

Aura Guardian Lady Salamence who did you both target
 
I have the mafia in the group of dusk/m24/apricity/skipper

I mean am I crazy or does it just feel that mafia dusk and mafia m24 just went sengoku mode to try and get a ML off because they knew that had really strong roles to end the game quickly off any kind of poison misplay? That kind of indicates to me that maybe AG is mafia too because that role is so bonkers. But that just seems extremely risky, I mean what's the play, they sac 2 and have a deep wolf mayor in mr. oden?

M24 targets are horrible right? Why would you pick skipper and not...the BPV??????????????????????? I'm not sure I buy into the theory that mafia can really control a day 1 vote very well because I've been the only one really thinking about roles, but technically pushing redirector is great for them IF they don't have the children and can thus be redirected into themselves.

we know dusk is purposefully screwed the role swap because he would've just c/p'd the list from before if he was serious where I did have redirector. I just don't get what his end goal is. Bringing up wanting to swap everyone right when the game opened just seems so brazen and unnecessary. Does that mean they didn't like their beginning roles? I mean if it really was role swap/tracker/bus driver, that's a pretty terrible set for the mafia team to get so...it feels like dusk is kind of just getting sacrificed here. And then he'll stealth the swap so we have no time to discuss hm.
 
but still at my friends, give me time to post a bit before you knock me out please

ftr the fuck off part 1 was not my fault because I specifically asked what I had to do to make the submission valid

fuck up part two was kind of my fault but also I last second was changing poison in a panic because psy had the awful list, that in turn with people not clearly committing tow ho was flipping, idk that doesn't feel like my fault 100% and just the whole thread, but obv I was the one who submitted but you're all underestimating the time pressure a bit in general
 
Aura Guardian said:
Just in case anything I post here could be construed as a vote, there's an unvote at the end.

A preface to this ISO: I perceived the primary wagons as HH, M24, me, and Duskfall. HH is voted out, one of them is me, and M24 is poisoned (or so realiti claimed), so I decided to look into the last member of that list. Yeah, I'm looking at Duskfall.

He's one of our more active posters, so this was a bit of a slog. There's a couple of key moments here: Page 63, where he had no posts but where Nuxl did the "is weird" post, pushing that post as a townread then claiming the push was a joke, and the botched re-arrange list. Also he was on the HH wagon. Depending on how M24 flips, if he flips, then most of the game will have been wrong so that won't be Alignment-indicative I guess.

My full summary is below with pages cited, but here's some highlights:
Reads as Town: Psy, Celever, M24, LS
Feels wishy-washy: Nuxl and apricity. Odd because of Nuxl's post.
Scumreads: realiti
Is called out by: Nuxl (page 63), skipper (re: reaction to page 63).
The bad re-arrange list.
The wrong wagon.

If Duskfall is scum, then these people aren't: realiti, Nuxl, skipper. And then I want to take a look at Celever, LS, and apricity to make sure he didn't try to hide any scum in his not-evil lists.
And given the highlights other than his reads are all scum-leaning stuff...
I'm having my doubts now.

Duskfall98 ISO:
Page 4: Says he'll reassign the whole game D1 (later tries and fails). Remarks on Psy being coherently agianst one person (himself)
Page 5: votes apricity. RVS? Argues with Psy, saying if he's scum then giving good roles to his team would be a way to out the entire team. Re-iterates a D1 role reassign, specifies EOD for reads. Actually holds to EOD for trying.
Page 6-7: Theorizes on danger of roles. Some arguing with Psy saying he shouldn't spam so many posts.
Page 8: Says he's trying to be nice but Psy is making it hard. Getting flashbacks to my Matrices performance where I said similar things and only killed Psy when I thought he was a power role that could out me.
Page 9-13: Not much, arguing with Psy. At the end of page 13, futilely tries to get something definitive out of Psy.
Page 14: Townreads Psy. Some joking about Psy's erratic behavior.
Page 15: I'm noticing a trend of not caring if Psy scumreads him.
Pages 16-17: not much.
Page 18: Calls out the "if X doesn't die, vote them tomorrow" mindset... of Psy. FTR, I agree with that up to a point (the breaking point involving actual solves)
Pages 19-28: not much. Nothing after page 20.
Page 29: more Psy argument, then responding to JALMONT's megapost. Unfortunately, it's just a how-to-cabinet-shuffle post. Bolded because it's the first major non-Psy interaction of his.
Pages 30-37: not much. Nothing from 31.
Page 38: Returns to the thread, Says Nuxl hasn't been very obv town. Mentions a crosspost, but a quick search tells me the Duskfall is Weird post by Nuxl is not until page 63
Page 39: Lots of posts. Mostly asking people what they want him to rearrange stuff as. Gives another few posts that could be construed as Townreading Psy, and not townreading Nuxl and apricity (but not being against them either)
Page 40: Seems mostly joking about who he'll give the BPV to. Definitely not liking his tone.
Page 41: Excuses lack of reads as being because of Psy. I sympathise, but I gave like 5 reads during the day, and he's maybe done 3 by this point and is able to be a lot more active?
Page 42: Okay, another read. Reads skippergamez towny. Nothing on 43.
Page 44: Suggests making realiti poison during N1, then claim who or get voted Note realiti claimed in a brief post later who, on page 106. Asks Celever and JALMONT for reads, though Celever already posted a list. I recall having seen that list, though I don't recall what was on it. Despite the brain drain from D1-we-know-why
Page 45: Finds the list, asks if it's still current. Calls out Celever's M24 progression but nothing else, then votes realiti (I unbolded so it doesn't count). Backtracks when Celelver explains. Laughs off apricity voting him.
Page 46: Suggests shooting a counterwagon with poisoner. Within the me/M24/HH/Duskfall list of people who had major wagons, this is exactly what happened. That said, I have some trouble arguing with the logic.
Page 47: Wants more content from realiti. Townreads Celever
Page 48-53: Explains to Psy, including the townread of Celever. Lot of arguing with Psy. Tells Celever we're not voting out Psy. Bunch of banter. Nothing on 52 or 54-61
Page 62: Lot of banter, says he lost a lot of Internet connectivity. Nothing on 63.

Page 63, or: when Nuxl says Duskfall is being weird.. Special cutoff because gut tells me this is important

Page 64: Rebuts the "weird post" point of engaging people, saying that's NAI for him. Also suggests skipper read the post.
Page 65: Banter that ...on reflection, given him saying the "weird post" was a towncase, then IIRC saying it was a joke later, this feels like a smokescreen to make us forget that post that felt scum-lean.
Page 66: Argues with realiti and not in the dealing-with-Psy kind of way. A bit more on claiming that "weird" post was a townlean.
Page 67: Townreads Nuxl for so much effort into a read on himself Nothing on 68.
Page 69: Ignores Psy. Says that if I'm mafia, I'll mess up really badly, though he didn't read Matrices. I learned from that one, Duskfall! Got it to final 3 in Matrices! Townreads M24 and LS
Page 70-71: Does what feels like casting shade on JALMONT, pushing away Nuxl's townread of him. Lots of discussion with Nuxl. Nothing on 72.
Page 73: Despite 7 posts, feels like fluff mostly. This late in the game, too, and not dealing with problems.

Page 74: The page Skippers calls out milking a townread out of page 63 and Duskfall passes off his attempt as a joke.

Page 75: Indicates a use of his power to save himself by re-arranging the doublevoter.
Page 76: Ah, Duskfall is the one who said the self-preservation reasoning that I cited for my own EOD. And discussion of how to use the re-arrange. It is less than 3.5 hours until DL at this point.
Page 77: Look to my summary of page 18. Though for Poisoner, an "if they don't claim who they do it to, then vote them" isn't the same, ... I've had some time for the past pages to sink in, and ... I don't like it. Something feels wrong. Scrumreads realiti, argues against M24's no vote idea. I agree with the latter, no read on realiti for me, though. Yet.
Page 78: Mostly filler, but least townie to him are "ag/skipper/hydro/oden"
Page 79-84: Mostly talk about re-arranging roles. Another reference to the page 63 is a townread joke. Some banter as well. Pro-psy, Pro-Nuxl.
Pages 85-86: Not much that's AI.
Page 87: Says he would gladiate realiti if he could. Nothing on 88.
Page 89-90: Banter, more re-arrange discussion, and discussion on poisoner targets.
Page 91: A full re-arrange list that doesn't include the double poison I recall being called out. Pro-Celever
Pages 92-93: Not much of importance that hasn't been said.
Page 94: Calls realiti an "easy sell". 95 is just administrative commentary.
Page 96: Pins the vote on himself dissipating on me voting him to save myself.
Pages 97-101: Not much. Does some summarizing of gamestate and the wagons.
Page 102: Another list. Again, without the double poison. Votes HH.
Page 103: Tries to verify HH as vote target. Given his own role, that's an excuse, I guess.
Page 104: The botched list with double poison. Deadline called.

Unvote as promised.
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this journal article is basically a summary of what ive done and I'm struggling to find any actual take or opinion on my play in it
 
Duskfall98 said:
I do think it's game is not that hard fmpov, but people probably need to have a cooldown and not just take me as a vote for granted and consider other options today
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uh can i ask where you wanna go if the game isn’t “that hard” cos you seemed less secure about that yesterday

i guess everyone coming into today wanting to vote you doesn’t help
 
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