Smashing Pumpkins RMT

[tonighttonight]

Well this is my second RMT, but I feel like this is a much stronger team than the prior RMT that I had posted.

At a glance:

Introduction: Each of these pokemon are fairly self sufficient when it comes to sweeping the other team. Vaporeon and Rotom-h play as the tanks for the team, tanking large hits and providing general synergy to the playstyle of my team.

In Depth:

Gliscor @ leftovers
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Defense / 216 Speed
-Earthquake
-Stealth Rock
-Roost
-U-Turn
Analysis: Gliscor does get beaten out by more leads than Heatran, BUT it plays an exclusive role. It almost always gets Stealthrock set up, and can provide a lot of support late game. As Class put it, he makes up for what Vaporeon and Rotom-h can't really tank. It's also extremely nice to absorb thunder waves with him, as thunder wave tends to plague several members of this team.

Scizor @ Choice Band
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Speed / 252 Attack
-Superpower
-U-Turn
-Pursuit
-Bullet Punch
Analysis: Scizor is an incredible pokemon. I have often had him clean up the other team by simply spamming bullet punch near the end of the match. He also provides much needed coverage to dragon types that I usually can't kill without him (cough cough salamence). Without Scizor, Gengar and Latias would run rampant against my team and annihilate it without much of a struggle. He is generally my go-to if the pokemon is at less than 30% health, unless it has a 4x resistance to steel, considering he is the only pokemon on my team with a priority.

Tyranitar @ leftovers
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Attack / 252 Speed
-Dragon Dance
-Crunch
-Stone Edge
-Fire Punch
Analysis: Before I had created this team, I refused to use Tyranitar. I no longer understand why I did that. Tyranitar can become such an incredible monster after a single dragon dance. If I trap their Scizor with Magnezone early in the match, there is a high chance that I will send this guy out to simply dragon dance and begin to sweep his entire team. Skarmory can give me plenty of problems with whirlwind, so I decided it would be a good idea to give him Fire Punch. To be completely honest, I'm thinking about changing this, I just don't think that Aqua Tail will provide me anymore coverage than Fire Punch would. Suggestions here would be great.

Vaporeon @ leftovers
Nature: Bold
EVs: 188 HP / 252 Defense / 68 Speed
-Wish
-Protect
-Surf
-Toxic
Analysis: Vaporeon is my healer / answer to bulky water type pokemon. I have successfully annihilated teams with this guy alone because of protect / wish / toxic stalling. I can effectively force switches and mop up any water damage or draco meteors using Vaporeon. Honestly, Vaporeon has become my favorite pokemon simply because of this set. It completely walls Crocune, which otherwise would be really hard for my team to beat unless I have Tyranitar set up.

Rotom-h @ leftovers
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 Speed
-Will-o-Wisp
-Thunderbolt
-Shadow Ball
-Overheat
Analysis: Rotom-h plays a really important role on my team. He almost always is the second pokemon I play, considering how well he plays up with Heatran. 2 of the main damaging threats that Heatran faces Rotom-h isn't affected by, therefore opening up the opponent for my Rotom-h to retaliate with an attack. Rotom-h is also my most reliable Gyarados killer. With 252 HP / 252 defense, he survives a stone edge (without SR, I can't remember if with it he survives) and OHKOs with thunderbolt (this is also provided that I haven't shown Magnezone yet, which if I have, Magnezone will come out and either scare the Gyarados away or OHKO.)

Magnezone @ Choice Scarf
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Speed / 4 HP
-Hidden Power Fire
-Thunderbolt
-Flash Cannon
-Signal Beam
Analysis: Probably the weakest member of my team, and I'd like to remove him if I could figure out exactly what would fill his spot on the team. I generally use him to kill all steel pokemon on the other person's team (shocker, right?). With Lucario, I generally need to absorb a Close Combat with Vaporeon, or Rotom-h if he isn't / hasn't used Sword Dance. I try to hide him to attract Scizor out, but generally most Scizors are smart enough to U-Turn out before Magnezone can touch them. I gave him Flash Cannon to have a stab attack that I could use against pokemon that resist the other three, and Signal Beam is for Celebi.

Heatran @ Life Orb
Nature: Timid
-Fire Blast
-Taunt
-Earth Power
-Hidden Power (Electric)
Analysis: I'm still not extremely happy with Heatran. Vaporeon does just about the same job that he does with defending Scizor against fire threats, but he does it arguably worse. When I do get him out, he tends to take out at least one. And if they are stupid enough to send out their Gyarados, possibly two. Not overly a huge member of my team to say the least though. I'll be trying other suggestions given to see if I can fit someone better in here.

Conclusion:
The two weak members of my team (Magnezone and Heatran) I'd like to possibly replace, which is why I created this RMT. I'm not particularly high with this team (1360s) yet, but I am making some progress. I hope for some useful comments for replacing / changing my team up!

Thanks!

Changes are in orange.

 

[tonighttonight]

Stolen from Philip7086 who stole it from someone else who stole it from Jabba. (I was too lazy to actually produce a threat list haha.)
Defensive Threats:

Blissey - Tyranitar, Heatran can explode with proper predicting, Scizor, etc etc. Not much of a threat.

Bronzong - Bronzong leads are a joke for Heatran. I haven't actually seen one other than leads in a long time, but I don't forsee him being much of a problem for my team.

Celebi - Celebi isn't much of a struggle for me, Magnezone can easily take care of it, along with Heatran, Scizor, and Tyranitar.

Cresselia - Thanks to Tyranitar, Cresselia isn't much of a problem either. Crunch annihilates him.

Forretress - Heatran / Magnezone easily take care of him.

Gliscor - My only answers are Rotom-h and Vaporeon. Definitely not very fun for me if I lose both of them before he comes out.

Gyarados - Restalk Gyarados is answered with Rotom-h. Enough said.

Hippowdon - Can be a little bit of a problem, I generally go for Vaporeon to take care of him. If I can weaken him to about 60%, I can explode with Heatran on him if its absolutely neccessary.

Jirachi - Not too much of a problem, depends on what type on who I send out. Generally, Heatran is my answer. Magnezone and Scizor can also easily deal with him though. T-Wave Jirachis are very obnoxious, which I will then just use Heatran to deal with them.

Rotom-A - Tyranitar kills it. If its really neccessary, I even use my own Rotom-h to kill it. This CAN become a problem if I lose them. Heatran can also beat Rotom-A generally.

Skarmory - Tyranitar can deal with him using Fire Punch, I'm not quite sure if its a oneshot after SR and a dragon dance, but I can see it doing enough damage that it weakens Skarmory and allows another one of my pokemon to kill it.

Snorlax - Snorlax can become an extreme problem, especially curselax. I have to pray that Scizor and Tyranitar can deal with him, otherwise I'm in serious trouble.

Suicune - Crocune is completely walled by Vaporeon, Rotom-h and Magnezone can deal with other types of Suicune, and Scizor generally has an easy time with Suicune too.

Swampert - If its a lead, I'll switch to Rotom-h, Will-o-Wisp, switch to Vaporeon, and tank. Or, I can just switch to Vaporeon and use Toxic. Generally not much of a problem with my walls.

Tyranitar - Curstar isn't too much of a problem, if they aren't running a babiri berry, I'll instantly throw out Scizor and Bullet Punch (if I know they don't have Magnezone). Vaporeon can also deal with Tyranitar via Toxic. If it comes down to it, Rotom-h can Will-o-Wisp him to keep his damage from getting out of hand.

Vaporeon - Vaporeon. Toxic stalling is seriously the best way to deal with him. Or I'll use Rotom-h or Magnezone to kill it.

Zapdos - Generally Tyranitar will end up killing Zapdos via Stone Edge, but if I've lost Tyranitar at some point before Zapdos comes out, it can be a huge threat. Heatran can kill it, except for Subroost Zapdos. Subroost Zapdos can really kill my team fairly easily.

Offensive Threats:

Azelf - All Leads are one shot with a burn or two shot by fire blast. I have never had a problem with Azelf.

Breloom - Breloom can become a real pain. In fact, its one of those leads where I only am able to kill it if Spore misses. Rotom-h is about the only pokemon that can deal with Breloom efficiently, and even that is generally iffy.

Gengar - Scizor revenge kills. I usually have to get a feel for how the person plays before I make the decision between Bullet Punch vs. Pursuit, but I generally go with Pursuit on Scarf'd types and Bullet Punch on Life Orb types. Pursuit guarantees me the kill, Bullet Punch will keep him from doing any damage. Without Scizor, Tyranitar is usually my answer. Life Orb variants kill Tyranitar though, so I either pray for a miss or hope that Scizor is still alive to take care of it. This can definitely escalate to becoming a problem for me.

Gyarados - Taunt Gyarados goes to Rotom-h, whereas non-taunt can also go to Vaporeon. Not too much of a problem. Tyranitar can also deal with him, provided that Gyarados hasn't Dragon Danced yet.

Heatran - Heatran takes care of Heatran, along with Vaporeon. Not much of a challenge for me.

Infernape - Rotom-h is my first answer, then switching to Vaporeon to sponge damage and to OHKO.

Jolteon - Tyranitar is generally my answer, but this pokemon can put me into a problematic spot.

Latias - Scizor takes care of this one effectively. I haven't seen too many offensive Latias recently, but if were to face one, Scizor would still be able to easily take care of it. Vaporeon can also stall Latias like crazy.

Kingdra - Kingdra can be an extreme pain for me especially if they have substitute. If they aren't substitute, I'll throw Vaporeon at them and get them poisoned. If they are substitute, then I generally will lose a couple of pokemon trying to take down this monster. Definitely a very hard pokemon for me to beat.

Lucario - I mop up a close combat with either Vaporeon or Rotom-h. SD go to Vaporeon, CB go to Rotom-h.

Machamp - Can become a problem, but if it isn't a restalk version, Will-o-Wisp works wonders on this guy. Since most of my pokemon outspeed him, I can send out almost anything and either oneshot it or nearly oneshot it. Rotom-h is definitely my first answer since Dynamic Punch causes Confusion.

Magnezone - Magnezone answers for him, unless he comes out on Scizor and isn't scarf'd. Then I use Rotom-h to take him out. Not too much of a problem really.

Mamoswine - Vaporeon and Heatran deal with him easy. Rotom-h can also deal with him if needed.

Metagross - Metagross is killed so easily by Heatran, it seems dumb. If it doesn't have an Occa Berry (which I've noticed its becoming more popular to run a Lum Berry), Heatran will oneshot it. Magnezone and Rotom-h also kill it. Hell, Vaporeon can kill it. And Tyranitar. It simply isn't a problem.

Salamence - Salamence can become a problem, but I haven't had too much trouble dealing with it. After weakening it with Rotom-h via a thunderbolt, I'll finish it with a Bullet Punch from Scizor. Vaporeon can also take it, along with Tyranitar after a Dragon Dance.

Scizor - Magnezone oneshots it, along with heatran and Rotom-h. Not too much of a problem since it is a very slow pokemon.

Starmie - Generally a prediction game at what it will use. If I suspect a Thunderbolt, Rotom-h comes out. Surf/Hydro Pump, I'll send out Vaporeon. Tyranitar can also deal with Starmie after a dragon dance.

Tyranitar - Tyranitar is answered with Scizor, especially when it has leftovers. If it doesn't have leftovers, I hope that it came out on my Rotom-h so I can Will-o-Wisp on the Dragon Dance. For CB variants, Vaporeon can deal with him fairly effectively.

Zapdos - Tyranitar is about my only answer, Heatran can deal with him too.

 

[Ericcc]

Quickie first time Rate;


1. Change Magnezone's set to the standard Scarf set.
Magnezone @ Choice Scarf
NAIVE 252 SPATT// 252 SPE
THUNDERBOLT
HP FIRE
FLASH CANNON
EXPLOSION

From the look of it, two of your pokes have x4 resist to Celebi's grass knot and two have x2 resist. I honestly don't see why you're so afraid of it. So basing a set on it, isn't helping you. Celebi can also be set up bait for most of your pokes. So maybe consider using the SD Set for Scizor, instead of standard CB Set.

2. Since Crocune carries rest, Toxi-Stalling won't work on Vaporeon. If you still want a bulky water on your team, I would suggest an Offensive Suicune, namely because you lack offensive power, with HP ELECTRIC. Why?

3. Because I can also see a gaping weakness to offensive Gyarados. A Jolly(although however rare) +1 speed Gyara can rip through your team, considering Vaporeon is out. Outspeeds everything and anything, getting OHKO's on Heatran, TTar, Magnezone, Rotom, and Scizor honestly can't do much to it. Again for this reason I suggest changing Vaporeon to an Offensive Suicune, or giving Vaporeon HP Elec, instead of Toxic.

Ok well thats it for my mediocre rate hehe Hope I helped. Looks like a solid team, nonetheless.

 

[tonighttonight]

I understand the change / am making the change to Magnezone, but I won't change Vaporeon. You do realize a restalk Crocune won't do any damage to my Vaporeon right? I see your point, but Gyarados hasn't given me enough trouble to warrant changing out toxic. It opens myself up to several threats.

 

[cmurph]

I understand the change / am making the change to Magnezone, but I won't change Vaporeon. You do realize a restalk Crocune won't do any damage to my Vaporeon right? I see your point, but Gyarados hasn't given me enough trouble to warrant changing out toxic. It opens myself up to several threats.

Crocune is usually used in conjunction with toxic spikes to allow it to stall out pokemon like vaporeon and blissey. Honestly though, I don't think Gyara is too much of an issue thanks to your rotom, and, to a lesser extent, Stealth Rock and Vaporeon's toxic

 

[Class]

Yeah I don't see how Gyara is a problem at all unless Rotom gets killed off real early, but with Wish support from Vaporeon, that's difficult. I really don't think your team is that weak to Scizor to warrant a Magnezone to trap it. It does help you check Lucario though, maybe you can try a Gliscor lead and make Heatran a LO variant. It'd work good in conjunction with Wish support as Heatran can come in easily on Grass attacks directed towards Vaporeon and help the apparant Celebi problem.

I'd try

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Impish, 252 HP, 40 Def, 216 Spe
Stealth Rock
Roost
Earthquake
Toxic/U-Turn

He beats Lucario, still gives you a wide array of checks to Scizor, frees up Heatran (if you decide to use it). With an Electric immunity, him Vaporeon, and Heatran can make a good defensive team.

Of course you can ignore everything I said and replace Magnezone with a sweeper, but which, I don't know.

 

[tonighttonight]

testing this out. I'll let you guys know if it helped at all.

 

[robdogz]

hello,

Yes your team has got my head in a spin, trying to work out your problem. However I finally think i may have it! Anyway, I'm really not liking your ddance tar and your scarf magnezone. I am therefore strongly suggesting these two options instead;

1) Tyranitar @Life Orb
Ability: Sand Stream
Nature: Adament
Ev's: 164 HP / 252 Atk / 92 Spe
Moves:
- Rock Polish
- Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Earthquake

This set is quite unique and surprising, however the principle remains the same. With already monstrous attacking capabilities plus life orb, backed up with now fast speed, this fella literally carves through the opposition. You may not believe me but at least try this option for yourself and the results will convince you (Use it smartly though!).

2) Lucario @life orb
Ability: Inner Focus
Nature: Adament
Ev's: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Moves:
- Sword Dance
- Close Combat
- Crunch
- Extreme Speed

With a 1-turn setup, a 120 base power STAB attack, and the strongest priority move available, Swords Dance Lucario is arguably the best late game sweeper in OU. Excellent typing, well-distributed stats, and an unpredictable movepool only make Lucario even more difficult to face down. After a Swords Dance, even Skarmory and Bronzong are easily exterminated with one Close Combat, assuming Stealth Rock damage and an Adamant nature. ExtremeSpeed is just as vital to Lucario's sweeping prowess as Close Combat, as most of the Pokémon faster than Lucario are frail enough to be OHKOed by ExtremeSpeed after a Swords Dance.I would replace magnezone with lucario as it would immensely balance out your team, give it structure with more cohesion. I believe these replacements would only prove beneficial for your team.

- That heatran lead hmmm i might get to that later

Anyway hope it goes well and Good Luck.

 

[shark puncher]

This team looks a bit mamo weak even though you have things like scizor. Nothing can switch into a CB adamant EQ and things like vappy are 2HKOd.

Ways you can fix this are;

Run 252 hp / 252 def / 6 spe bold on vappy as you only need 6 spe for outrunning other vappy, the rest isn't really needed. Next thing is to replace rotom with this spread;

Rotom-H @ Choice scarf
Modest (+ Sp atk, - Atk)
156 HP / 124 spA / 228 spe
Levitate
Overheat
Shadow ball
Trick
Thunderbolt

Speed evs allow rotom to beat all base 130's including jolly max speed breloom and adamant max spe mamoswine after tricking them a scarf. Maximum lefties point after getting a leftovers through tricking the scarf which is one of the most common items in todays metagame and 128 Sp atk is a jump point and is able to OHKO standard mamo with overheat IIRC. Rotom doesn't need timid as he is scarfed with specific speed evs that allow him to outspeed what needs to be outsped, and modest gives him an extra kick attack-wise. Tbolt is the main STAB on the set as well as shadow ball. They have almost unresisted coverage and overheat covers almost everything else.

Does just fine and still takes the attacks you need with 156 HP.

 

[kemono]

replacement for heatran and zone

Magnezone is useless for 2 reasons:
-Scizor has superpower and Lucario Close combat, it's a real risky to trap them
-Skarmory,Forretress have often shed shell cause they now have roost and pain split

For Heatran, you can use a more défensive pokemon like gliscor, he add more fighting and ground resistance, has knock off and u-turn to help and isa nice heracross/scizor/lucario counter

 

[tonighttonight]

updated the main post. slash, bump. And to the above poster, I'll be testing your changes soon.