Gave the whole thread a second read and I'm confused as to who really came up on top of this, and I think the majority must be thinking the same, so I decided to come up with some statistics on which I'll base myself later on as to who will have my genuine support.
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So first of all, obviously I'll be analyzing and using a system of points for the whole thing:
1. The validity of the arguments presented in this debate, this clash between two gigantic influencers of our generation.
Niko -
The italian prodigee and self proclaimed most hated user on the site right now (after Ace-11's exile) emerged after his unban to shake the community up with his latest post. He promptly posted his predictions in this thread, with some critical comments regarding other user's plays which were not hurting at all. Going more in depth, we can see that before his sneaky edit that the initial post was:
'' SS OU: Eo Ut Mortus vs MAX UND MAX --- i cant understand why a single SS OU slot would cost 40k without providing an extremely good support for atleast half of the team, it becomes even more inexplicable when the player in question choked a trophy decider game recently. bop. on the other side, MAX is doing well recently and he probably is motivated to show people how good he is''
To take in account the face value of the argument, let's separate this whole sentence and fact check all of the claims Niko made:
- i cant understand why a single SS OU slot would cost 40k without providing an extremely good support for atleast half of the team / it becomes even more inexplicable when the player in question choked a trophy decider game recently / bop / on the other side, MAX is doing well recently and he probably is motivated to show people how good he is
Well, that is a good point! Other users like McMeghan, TDK for example have gone for astoundingly high amount of cash before and that is because of their proactivity and their overall knowledge throughout most generations, which can help the team a lot on top of them being able to support themselves and play their games at a high level. A special mention to Bloo, whose support can count for two users.
- i cant understand why a single SS OU slot would cost 40k without providing an extremely good support for atleast half of the team / it becomes even more inexplicable when the player in question choked a trophy decider game recently / bop / on the other side, MAX is doing well recently and he probably is motivated to show people how good he is
A snarky remark that obviously dates back to when Eo played xray for the WCOP Finals Tiebreak, but is that correct? So, I as someone who did not watch the game in fact and spent most of the time bom dia'ing everyone I can, am not in place to say that, thus I've asked around for opinions from giga chads of the game such as ABR, aiko and Serene Grace. The first two are accomplished users in their own tiers / generations. Adam, who I'll be calling that way for the sake of simplicity as it is faster for me to hit the keys A D M since they're very close than it is to hit A B R, even though it is obviously smaller (see it here and here), as one of the top 5 players of all time made it clear that his sincere opinion was that xray simply outplayed Eo, and then proceeded to get bailed by the ''Hubris Axel''(that is what pro players call the move Triple Axel when clicked with arrogance, presumption and greediness). I went on to ask aiko, a very accomplished user who worked her way to the dangerous players list, and I can say with confidence that she is one hell of a good player (literally just beat mncmt - top 5 OU players of all time yesterday in a side tournament in a clean match), who said verbatim: ''my assessment of that game is moreso that xray outplayed him''. The latter abstained from talking, as he claimed he did not watch the match thoroughly to have an opinion. That is a clean 2 Eo - 0 Niko, which seals the point that he did in fact, not choke, but rather his opponent performed better in that match. Do not be misled by blatant lies.
- i cant understand why a single SS OU slot would cost 40k without providing an extremely good support for atleast half of the team / it becomes even more inexplicable when the player in question choked a trophy decider game recently / bop / on the other side, MAX is doing well recently and he probably is motivated to show people how good he is
Niko makes an excellent point in that user Shake deserves better than how the toxic SmogTours community treats him.
- i cant understand why a single SS OU slot would cost 40k without providing an extremely good support for atleast half of the team / it becomes even more inexplicable when the player in question choked a trophy decider game recently / bop / on the other side, MAX is doing well recently and he probably is motivated to show people how good he is
Recent results (from WCOP to be more precise) have told me that yes, he is very good.
That is 1 point to Niko.
Eo -
Eo warrants no introduction, he is simply Eo. Great SS player and performed ridiculously well in the most recent Snake (now retired tour) / SPL / WCoP. On the more silent and mysterious side of the forum, he is quieter but not unspeaking. He did reply to Niko's post with not less than:
''I can't understand why a garbage player like you is still here, but you do you, bestie.''
Now, let's see if that's correct:
Eo starts off with an excellent jab at Niko's playing abilities, diminishing his records to nothing less than garbage. So, is that right? I asked active users in the community (Eternal Spirit, -Tsunami- and GOAO). The first one replied with: ''He's an average player, he clicks what his guts will tell him to and that's good because I project myself on him when I first started playing tournaments (even though he will never be a Magician), but if the same user were to be locked in a room with the key to open the door and no food he'd die from starving. As a person, he is pathetic and needs to put himself in his place''. That is a hell of a answer! Thanks, Gama. Now, onto Shake's response to my question, he simply replied with ''Slightly above average I guess bop''. Simple, although objective. GOAO's answer is not needed as it is already not looking good for him in terms of scoring, but the same said that ''Niko's thinking abilities go as far as his power to speak on stours''. That is harsh, but wow we do have an unanimous 3-0!
- but you do you / bestie / .
Eo was on point! ''[10:23 AM] hs: is that right (regarding eo's post), as in ''you do you''?[10:26 AM] Niko: yes''
That is a great punchline, ironically using the smogonwide used word ''bestie'' to infer Niko is an ant in terms of Smogon sucess and overall achievements when both are being put aside.
Nothing more classy than to finish a discussion with a ''period '' and that states that the conversation is over. Nothing else matters. From that point onwards, Eo does not care.
That is 1 point to Eo (+1 extra for all positive)
2. The first and most important thing that matters in a Smogon discussion like, ever. The
Like Ratio.
So to begin this, I have made sure to like the involved user's posts to inflate their like counts while also being impartial.
Let's start off with Eo's post:
78 likes by the moment I am writing this post, great amount. That is one sign of a good post (does not really correlate to one in all cases, especially in Finchinator's posts).
Onto Niko's:
This is a painful and deplorable amount of likes. Like, even putting aside all posts he made (they had 17 and 21 respectively by the time I wrote this), that is only 78 likes. For a combinated amount of 3 posts. That on top of having the Circuit Breakers logo in his signature while not being in the tournament + the Starry Blanket haha's on all 3 posts, which leads me to think those must be really horrific posts.
Overwhelming ratio.
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Eo finished with 3 points, while Niko could not stand up for a good fight, only acquiring 1 mere point.
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