Smogon Doubles UU

[Joim]

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Disclaimer: This is a thread to comment and discuss on the Smogon Doubles UU metagame. This metagame is not official and is thus to be considered an Other Metagame, only relevant to Smogon Doubles and reliant on main Smogon Doubles rules.

Smogon Doubles UU

The Smogon Doubles UnderUsed is a metagame where Pokémon are banned due to OverUsed usage and thus underused Pokémon that rarely see the battle field on regular Smogon Doubles can be used to great success. Feel free to discuss tactics, teams, Pokémon, and rules on this thread. This is also the place to post Smogon Doubles UU replays and to organise tournaments.

Smogon Doubles UU can be played on Pokémon Showdown via challenge. There is no ladder. The active clauses are Species Clause, Moody Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Moves and Abilities Clause, and Endless Battle Clause; thus rules in place are the following:
Pokémon from all six generations that are not unreleased nor illegal and do not share Pokédex number are allowed.
All released abilities that are not Moody and that increase Evasion are allowed.
All released items but Soul Dew are allowed.
All moves but Dark Void, evasion increasing, and OHKO moves are allowed.
Combinations of moves, abilities, and items that cause battles to be endless are banned.
Team Preview is present.
Pokémon that are deemed Uber or are OU by usage are not allowed:

UBER
Mewtwo, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Arceus, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem-White, Xerneas, Yveltal

OU:
Abomasnow, Aegislash, Aerodactyl, Amoonguss, Aromatisse, Azumarill, Bisharp, Breloom, Chandelure, Charizard, Conkeldurr, Cresselia, Dragonite, Dusclops, Excadrill, Ferrothorn, Garchomp, Gardevoir, Genesect, Gengar, Greninja, Gyarados, Heatran, Hitmontop, Infernape, Kangaskhan, Klefki, Kyurem-Black, Landorus-Therian, Latios, Lucario, Mamoswine, Manectric, Mawile, Meowstic, Politoed, Rotom-Wash, Salamence, Scizor, Scrafty, Shaymin-Sky, Sylveon, Talonflame, Terrakion, Thundurus, Togekiss, Tyranitar, Venusaur, Volcarona, Whimsicott, Zapdos

Sample Teams:
Audiosurfer's goodstuff team
U-Turn Out's Trick Room team

So, what are your thoughts and experience on this brand new metagame?

 

[Lolk]

The most notable thing about the UU mons is how many viable Trick Room Pokemon fall just below the OU cut. Setters include Dusclops, Jellicent, Aromatisse, Bronzong, and Cofagrigus (there are more). Sweepers include Rhyperior, Ampharos, Blastoise, and Snorlax (there are more). I expect this playstyle to be popular in Doubles UU fo sho.

Another thing to notice is the lack of Intimidate in this Tier. The only Pokemon remotely high in UU is Arcanine, who I do expect to be a top tier threat with Intimidate, Will-O-Wisp, Snarl, Flare Blitz, Close Combat, and Extremespeed in its arsenal, with decent stats to complement whatever set it wants to run. After that, Krookodile is the next Intimidate user at #148. This really allows physical sweepers to function well as opposed to "OU".

Just because this is UU does not mean that the power is any less than in "OU". There are huge threats in this meta such as Mega-Heracross, Skymin, Jirachi (the goto Follow Me spammer of the tier), Kyurem Black, Manaphy, Mega-Absol, and more :).

Tailwind has many options in this tier such as Suicune (new cress imo)(lol), Hydreigon, and Tornadus.

NO TALONFLAME, CRESS, OR HEATRAN :)

Something else to note is that Hippowdon is the only weather setter available in UU. This makes Sand an immediate scary force in UU and something to prepare for. However, there are cool setters of each weather available so self supporting weather sweepers could be a thing (such as Rain Dance Ludicolo)

I have a team built and I crushed (haxed) Audiosurfer in a match (make me tier leader pls) so anyone just let me know if you want to battle :)

 

[Joim]

The fact that you can use both Aromatisse and Escavalier make TR scary. Add in your own Arcanine support as your fast TR mon, negative speed bulky Kyurem-B and you're set to go.

 

[BlankZero]

A quick replay showing some of the powerhouses in this tier

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogondoublesuu-80681527

 

[Hashtag]

blankzero's banlist seems excellent to me although i wish there was some way to randomly search for opponents

 

[BlankZero]

blankzero's banlist seems excellent to me although i wish there was some way to randomly search for opponents

You can ask in the IRC oooooorrr drop by the Doubles channel on PS and ask there too.

 

[Audiosurfer]

Well I haven't played this tier much since gen 6 started but there was a Gen 5 UU minitour a while back, and if that is anything to go by then Deoxys-A will be an amazing Pokemon in this metagame. It was able to put a huge amount of pressure on opposing teams, especially with alot of the bulkier Pokemon being in Doubles OU. There also aren't any recoil weathers (outside of Hippowdon I guess) to break its sash which is cool. A lead of Deoxys-A + a Fake Out user or another fast and powerful Pokemon would make it very difficult for the opponent to formulate a good answer to that most of the time. So yeah, Deoxys-A, give it a whirl.

 

[Pocket]

Yea, the lack of Cresselia, Aegislash, Scizor, Metagross, Gardevoir, Kangaskhan, and even Sableye makes Deoxys-A's life a lot easier. However Jirachi and Bisharp still exists, the former forcing pretty much Knock Off / Shadow Ball / Fire Punch on Deoxys-A if it wants to damage them. Landorus-I forms a solid pair with Deoxys-A, as it can totally destroy these two Steel-types with a Sheer Force LO Earth Power.

 

[BlankZero]

You guys are forgetting Kyu-B exists here where there is only one really viable Intimidate user.

 

[Darkmalice]

You guys are forgetting Kyu-B exists here where there is only one really viable Intimidate user.

Krookodile is good in UU too. Stoutland may be viable too.

And there are still many viable burn users like Mew, Arcanine, and Rotom (all forms sans Wash).

However, I agree that Kyu-B will be very scary in UU.

 

[BlankZero]

Krookodile is good in UU too. Stoutland may be viable too.

And there are still many viable burn users like Mew, Arcanine, and Rotom (all forms sans Wash).

However, I agree that Kyu-B will be very scary in UU.

I can see Mew, Rotom-H, and Rotom-C being popular. Krookodile has a nice EQ but is going to be ruined by any fighting type left in UU, plus I have a feeling it will be a 50/50 Moxie/Intimidate Split among users. Plus, it's best partner, Togekiss, is in OU.

 

[Gyarad0s]

I can see Mew, Rotom-H, and Rotom-C being popular. Krookodile has a nice EQ but is going to be ruined by any fighting type left in UU, plus I have a feeling it will be a 50/50 Moxie/Intimidate Split among users. Plus, it's best partner, Togekiss, is in OU.

Rotom-H and Mew will definitely be popular support mons. I highly doubt there will be a 50/50 split on Krookodile's ability as intimidate is so valuable and will be scarce in UU, but I certainly see the potential for moxie on a scarfed Krookodile.

I also see a lot of potential for TR in UU. There will of course always be ways to keep TR off the field; but some of the best bulky mons to counter TR (Conkeldurr, Kang, Mawile, etc.) will be locked up in OU while on the TR side of things there are so many viable setters and users that it won't be nerfed too badly. It could certainly become a dominant strategy.

Weather is another interesting idea as many inducers will be less shit (Ninetales anyone?) than they are in OU. Just some thoughts, I'm interested to see how the meta develops.

 

[Pocket]

So with the new month's usage, we have a new list of OU and UU mons :0 I updated the OP with the current UU banlist

Meowstic and Rhyperior rose to OU whereas Abomasnow Blaziken Latios Malamar Salamence Thundurus-T Zapdos all dropped to UU O.O

 

[BlankZero]

Latios and Zapdos OP. Right alongside KyuB in an almost no-fairy meta? Let the Tailwind teams commence!

 

[Lasagne]

Latios and Zapdos OP. Right alongside KyuB in an almost no-fairy meta? Let the Tailwind teams commence!

there's also salamence, which has tailwind, strong offenses, and the coveted intimidate which is pretty sparsely spread in UU. what a boss. Also I imagine Diggersby rapes face in this (haven't actually played a dubs UU game yet :x)

Diggersby rapes face in everything tho nbd

 

[Joim]

lol this is monstruous
I've updated the banlist, after next restart it'll be there!

 

[youngjake93]

Wait wut... Meowstic rose to OU and LATIOS fell to UU? Wtf?

 

[termi]

Wait wut... Meowstic rose to OU and LATIOS fell to UU? Wtf?

It's this magical thing called "the ladder"

 

[BlankZero]

Where is the hype people. Let's see some replays!

 

[Pocket]

Antar supplied us with a UU banlist that takes into account the usage stats of the last 3 months :d I've updated the OP with the changes.

Basically Salamence and Weavile rose to OU while Cloyster and Rhyperior dropped to UU. Sensible changes since last time, but we still have Latios in UU x_x

 

[Pocket]

Eh, so apparently we're using 1760 stats now to determine tiering?

New OU: Abomasnow, Aegislash, Amoonguss, Ampharos, Azumarill, Bisharp, Breloom, Chandelure, Charizard, Conkeldurr, Cresselia, Dragonite, Dusclops, Excadrill, Garchomp, Gardevoir, Genesect, Gengar, Greninja, Gyarados, Heatran, Hitmontop, Jellicent, Jirachi, Kangaskhan, Klefki, Landorus-T, Latios, Lucario, Ludicolo, Mamoswine, Manectric, Mawile, Politoed, Reuniclus, Rhyperior, Rotom-W, Sableye, Salamence, Scrafty, Scizor, Shaymin-S, Sylveon, Talonflame, Terrakion, Thundurus, Togekiss, Trevenant, Tyranitar, Venusaur, Volcarona

Joim, please update Doubles UU with the new OU list :]

Also tagging Level 51 who hated the previous banlist :>

 

[Level 51]

ha-HA yes excellent at least Latios is OU now >:)
somehow Jellicent is OU though? what a shame. I can see Mega Pinsir wrecking a lot of face here without Lando-T, Mawile and Top to intimidate it, Cress and Dusclops to wall it and set up Trick Room, or Talonflame/Thundurus/Charizard/TTar to crush it :( oh well, I'm sure we'll figure something out :P

 

[youngjake93]

Meh still some oddballs left like Greninja, Sableye, etc.
Blank of course Jelli is OU. Also lol Latios not OU always felt like some sick joke.

PS: My bad

 

[Joim]

Pocket banlist updated, will be live soon!

 

[BlankZero]

Meh still some oddballs left like Greninja, Sableye, etc.
Blank of course Jelli is OU. Also lol Latios not OU always felt like some sick joke.

That was 51 who was confused about that btw.

I can't wait to play this tier again. Gonna make a team today I think if anyone is down to play.