UU Snorlax

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:ss/snorlax:
[SET]
name: Curse
move 1: Rest
move 2: Curse
move 3: Body Slam
move 4: Darkest Lariat/Earthquake
item: Leftovers
ability: Thick Fat
nature: Careful
evs: 252 HP / 24 Def / 232 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Snorlax's amazing special bulk, solid Normal typing, and good Attack stat make it both a good answer to several of the tier's most threatening attackers and a potentially game-ending sweeper with Curse; unfortunately, it is unreliable at best as a sweeper due to the number of popular Pokemon that can break through it, most notably Fighting-types like Cobalion, or deny its setup via Haze. Rest lets Snorlax stay healthy and removes status conditions, extending its sweeps and letting it better check threatening special wallbreakers like Chandelure and Sylveon throughout the battle. Curse patches up Snorlax's lacking Defense stat, making it difficult to take down without very powerful attacks, and increases its Attack, enabling Snorlax to beat defensive Pokemon that could otherwise stall it out like Umbreon and Milotic lacking Haze. Darkest Lariat provides great offensive coverage in combination with Body Slam and notably allows Snorlax to bypass Acid Armor Reuniclus's boosts, while Earthquake lets Snorlax hit Cobalion, one of its best answers, for significant damage. The provided Defense EVs allow Snorlax to survive an Outrage from Choice Band Haxorus, with the remaining EVs and Careful nature further bolstering Snorlax's special bulk in order to let it better check special attackers.

Snorlax works best on defensive or balanced teams, as it kills momentum on more offensive builds and requires reliable answers to Pokemon that reliably exploit it. Bulky Fairy-types such as Sylveon and Galarian Weezing make for great teammates that aid in dealing with Fighting-types like Pangoro and Machamp. Galarian Weezing can additionally provide Toxic Spikes support, which help Snorlax pressure defensive checks such as Haze Milotic. It can also spread status or remove entry hazards for its team, and offensive variants can pressure Pokemon Snorlax struggles to break through like Doublade and Escavalier. Sylveon provides support for Snorlax and its teammates through Wish and Heal Bell, with the latter being especially useful to allow Snorlax to more readily use Rest. Doublade counters Cobalion, which can freely switch in on Snorlax lacking Earthquake, and can at least check other physical attackers such as Haxorus and Lucario. Gigalith and Rhyperior both provide solid mixed bulk and Stealth Rock support, and act as countermeasures to powerful physical Fire-type Pokemon like Choice Band Darmanitan and Swords Dance Incineroar that Snorlax can't deal with. Bulky Water-types like Milotic, Vaporeon, and Rotom-W can also take on these Fire-types, as well as handling Steel-types like Cobalion and Doublade. As the aforementioned Steel-types can set up on Snorlax, having teammates that can switch in and wear them down is useful. Examples include Arcanine, Swords Dance Incineroar, and Noivern. Noivern also checks the aforementioned Fighting-types, provides a revenge killer for the usually slower teams Snorlax thrives on, and provides hazard control. Snorlax is effective on stall, despite the playstyle's low presence in the metagame—teammates like Quagsire and Reuniclus cover a variety of setup sweepers and Snorlax's Fighting weakness respectively. Milotic and other bulky Water-types using Haze entirely invalidate Snorlax, making reliable responses to those, such as Celebi, Roserade, and Vileplume, valuable teammates.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Eve, 375272]]
- Quality checked by: [[Lilburr, 481709], [Estarossa, 461329]]
- Grammar checked by: [[The Dutch Plumberjack, 232216]]
 
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you know the drill
:ss/snorlax:
[SET]
name: Curse
move 1: Rest
move 2: Curse
move 3: Body Slam
move 4: Darkest Lariat/Earthquake
item: Leftovers
ability: Thick Fat
nature: Careful
evs: 252 HP / 24 Def / 232 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Snorlax's amazing special bulk, solid Normal typing, and good Attack stat make it both a good answer to several of the tier's most threatening attackers and a potentially game-ending sweeper with Curse. Rest lets Snorlax stay healthy and removes status conditions, extending its sweeps and letting it better check threatening special wallbreakers like Chandelure and Sylveon throughout the battle. Curse patches up Snorlax's lacking Defense stat, making it difficult to take down without very powerful attacks, and increases its Attack, enabling Snorlax to beat defensive Pokemon that could otherwise stall it out like who? umbreon, non-haze milo etc.. Darkest Lariat guarantees that Snorlax can at least damage any possible opponent, while Earthquake sacrifices this security in return for hitting Cobalion supereffective and Pokemon such as Chandelure, Doublade, and Toxtricity harder. this is pretty weirdly worded. darkest lariat is good bc normal + dark is excellent offensive coverage and because it beats ghosts in particular, in addition to beating defense boosting mons like reuni - hitting everything in the game is good but not really the reason you'd run it. Leftovers is chosen in order to best improve Snorlax's longevity. Thick Fat is Snorlax's preferred Ability, greatly increasing the number of Pokemon it can wall. don't think either of these sentences are needed but regardless, if you want to keep the thick fat mention then you should talk about the mons it lets lax wall - specs chandelure is the big one, probably something like vanilluxe too The provided Defense EVs allow Snorlax to survive a +1 Outrage from Haxorus maybe mention banded outrage specifically bc DD doesn't run it, and even if it does you die bc they run life orb, with the remaining EVs and Careful nature further bolstering Snorlax's special bulk in order to let it better check special attackers.

you should probably attempt to mention that snorlax is incredibly difficult to fit on teams and struggles to reliably sweep, so it's relatively difficult to fit on, like, anything

Snorlax fits best on defensive or balanced teams, as it completely kills momentum on more offensive builds. Its best partners are those that can support it against specific Pokemon that threaten it. this is literally the case for every single pokemon ever As Fighting-types are by far the biggest threats to Snorlax, bulky Fairy-types like Sylveon and Galarian Weezing make for great teammates that aid in dealing with them should probably give examples of fighting types, coba + panda or whatever. Galarian Weezing can provide Toxic Spikes support, remove hazards, or spread status, and greatly benefits from Snorlax's ability to take on most special attackers. Sylveon is better at taking on Haxorus and provides Wish support for Snorlax and its teammates. Doublade counters Cobalion and can at least check most physical attackers, making it a desirable teammate for Snorlax. this feels super generic, you've gotta mention other stuff it beats or does decently against. haxorus, lucario etc should be here Noivern provides valuable speed control for the teams Snorlax finds itself on, while also providing its own useful defensive utility, checking Pokemon like Cobalion and Doublade and hazard control via Defog. Gigalith and Rhyperior both provide solid mixed bulk and Stealth Rock support, with their Rock typing providing a countermeasure to powerful physical Fire-type Pokemon like Darmanitan and Swords Dance Incineroar that Snorlax can't deal with sd incin usually runs cc, careful of that. Bulky Water-types like Milotic, Vaporeon, and Rotom-Wash are also useful for helping to take on these Fire-types, as well as offensive Steel-types like Escavalier and Copperajah. doublade in particular needs to be mentioned

mention things that break down stuff like cobalion and doublade - noivern is a good mention, but also things like pangoro and incineroar. they're stacked fighting weaknesses but you really need to cover fighting w/ lax anyway
mention reuni as a partner, it does a great job of annoying a lot of common lax answers and works well on stall (a place where lax fits)
mention other stall partners like quag and stuff, it's not a great archetype but it's lax's home
 
Lilburr said:
you know the drill
:ss/snorlax:
[SET]
name: Curse
move 1: Rest
move 2: Curse
move 3: Body Slam
move 4: Darkest Lariat/Earthquake
item: Leftovers
ability: Thick Fat
nature: Careful
evs: 252 HP / 24 Def / 232 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Snorlax's amazing special bulk, solid Normal typing, and good Attack stat make it both a good answer to several of the tier's most threatening attackers and a potentially game-ending sweeper with Curse. Rest lets Snorlax stay healthy and removes status conditions, extending its sweeps and letting it better check threatening special wallbreakers like Chandelure and Sylveon throughout the battle. Curse patches up Snorlax's lacking Defense stat, making it difficult to take down without very powerful attacks, and increases its Attack, enabling Snorlax to beat defensive Pokemon that could otherwise stall it out like who? umbreon, non-haze milo etc.. Darkest Lariat guarantees that Snorlax can at least damage any possible opponent, while Earthquake sacrifices this security in return for hitting Cobalion supereffective and Pokemon such as Chandelure, Doublade, and Toxtricity harder. this is pretty weirdly worded. darkest lariat is good bc normal + dark is excellent offensive coverage and because it beats ghosts in particular, in addition to beating defense boosting mons like reuni - hitting everything in the game is good but not really the reason you'd run it. Leftovers is chosen in order to best improve Snorlax's longevity. Thick Fat is Snorlax's preferred Ability, greatly increasing the number of Pokemon it can wall. don't think either of these sentences are needed but regardless, if you want to keep the thick fat mention then you should talk about the mons it lets lax wall - specs chandelure is the big one, probably something like vanilluxe too The provided Defense EVs allow Snorlax to survive a +1 Outrage from Haxorus maybe mention banded outrage specifically bc DD doesn't run it, and even if it does you die bc they run life orb, with the remaining EVs and Careful nature further bolstering Snorlax's special bulk in order to let it better check special attackers.

you should probably attempt to mention that snorlax is incredibly difficult to fit on teams and struggles to reliably sweep, so it's relatively difficult to fit on, like, anything

Snorlax fits best on defensive or balanced teams, as it completely kills momentum on more offensive builds. Its best partners are those that can support it against specific Pokemon that threaten it. this is literally the case for every single pokemon ever As Fighting-types are by far the biggest threats to Snorlax, bulky Fairy-types like Sylveon and Galarian Weezing make for great teammates that aid in dealing with them should probably give examples of fighting types, coba + panda or whatever. Galarian Weezing can provide Toxic Spikes support, remove hazards, or spread status, and greatly benefits from Snorlax's ability to take on most special attackers. Sylveon is better at taking on Haxorus and provides Wish support for Snorlax and its teammates. Doublade counters Cobalion and can at least check most physical attackers, making it a desirable teammate for Snorlax. this feels super generic, you've gotta mention other stuff it beats or does decently against. haxorus, lucario etc should be here Noivern provides valuable speed control for the teams Snorlax finds itself on, while also providing its own useful defensive utility, checking Pokemon like Cobalion and Doublade and hazard control via Defog. Gigalith and Rhyperior both provide solid mixed bulk and Stealth Rock support, with their Rock typing providing a countermeasure to powerful physical Fire-type Pokemon like Darmanitan and Swords Dance Incineroar that Snorlax can't deal with sd incin usually runs cc, careful of that. Bulky Water-types like Milotic, Vaporeon, and Rotom-Wash are also useful for helping to take on these Fire-types, as well as offensive Steel-types like Escavalier and Copperajah. doublade in particular needs to be mentioned

mention things that break down stuff like cobalion and doublade - noivern is a good mention, but also things like pangoro and incineroar. they're stacked fighting weaknesses but you really need to cover fighting w/ lax anyway
mention reuni as a partner, it does a great job of annoying a lot of common lax answers and works well on stall (a place where lax fits)
mention other stall partners like quag and stuff, it's not a great archetype but it's lax's home
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Implementing this at 3am on phone while tired and having a plaster over my thumb which I usually type with so hopefully I haven't butchered it uwu
 
you've already implemented my original amcheck, just a couple more things now!
Eve said:
:ss/snorlax:
[SET]
name: Curse
move 1: Rest
move 2: Curse
move 3: Body Slam
move 4: Darkest Lariat/Earthquake
item: Leftovers
ability: Thick Fat
nature: Careful
evs: 252 HP / 24 Def / 232 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Snorlax's amazing special bulk, solid Normal typing, and good Attack stat make it both a good answer to several of the tier's most threatening attackers and a potentially game-ending sweeper with Curse. Rest lets Snorlax stay healthy and removes status conditions, extending its sweeps and letting it better check threatening special wallbreakers like Chandelure and Sylveon throughout the battle. Curse patches up Snorlax's lacking Defense stat, making it difficult to take down without very powerful attacks, and increases its Attack, enabling Snorlax to beat defensive Pokemon that could otherwise stall it out like Umbreon and Milotic lacking haze. Darkest Lariat provides great offensive coverage in combination with Body Slam and notably allows Snorlax to bypass Acid Armor Reuniclus' boosts, while Earthquake lets Snorlax hit Cobalion, one of its best answers, for significant damage. The provided Defense EVs allow Snorlax to survive an Outrage from Choice Band Haxorus, with the remaining EVs and Careful nature further bolstering Snorlax's special bulk in order to let it better check special attackers.

While Snorlax's bulk is impressive, it can be hard to fit on teams due to its inconsistency in its only role as a bulky sweeper. It works best on defensive or balanced teams, as it completely kills momentum on more offensive builds. As Fighting-types like Cobalion, Pangoro, and Machamp are by far the biggest threats to Snorlax, bulky Fairy-types such as Sylveon and Galarian Weezing make for great teammates that aid in dealing with them. Galarian Weezing can provide Toxic Spikes support, remove hazards, or spread status, and greatly benefits from Snorlax's ability to take on most special attackers. Sylveon is better at taking on Haxorus and provides Wish support for Snorlax and its teammates. also mention heal bell here which is helpful if snorlax has to rest early and gets forced out, particularly since it doesn't have sleep talk on this set Doublade counters Cobalion and can at least check other physical attackers such as Haxorus and Lucario, making it a desirable teammate for Snorlax. Gigalith and Rhyperior both provide solid mixed bulk and Stealth Rock support, with their Rock typing providing a countermeasure to powerful physical Fire-type Pokemon like Choice Band Darmanitan and Swords Dance Incineroar that Snorlax can't deal with. (it can handle scarf darm and pivot incin just fine) Bulky Water-types like Milotic, Vaporeon, and Rotom-Wash are also useful for helping to take on these Fire-types, as well as handling Steel-types like Cobalion, Doublade, and Escavalier. the way you have this rn makes it sound like the steel types handle darm and incin As the aforementioned Steel-types are all great answers to Snorlax that can choose to set up alongside it, having powerful teammates that can wear them down is useful. Examples include Pangoro, Swords Dance Incineroar, not sure about these two examples because they don't really fit on the type of teams snorlax fits on - you could keep incin, i'd definitely change panda for arcanine though and Noivern. Noivern in particular can provide valuable speed control for the slower teams Snorlax thrives on, as well as hazard control. Snorlax is effective on stall, despite the playstyle's low presence in the meta- teammates like Quagsire and Reuniclus are paired with Snorlax in order to cover a variety of setup sweepers and Snorlax's Fighting weakness respectively.
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1/2 when done
 
Eve said:
:ss/snorlax:
[SET]
name: Curse
move 1: Rest
move 2: Curse
move 3: Body Slam
move 4: Darkest Lariat/Earthquake
item: Leftovers
ability: Thick Fat
nature: Careful
evs: 252 HP / 24 Def / 232 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Snorlax's amazing special bulk, solid Normal typing, and good Attack stat make it both a good answer to several of the tier's most threatening attackers and a potentially game-ending sweeper with Curse. (*) Rest lets Snorlax stay healthy and removes status conditions, extending its sweeps and letting it better check threatening special wallbreakers like Chandelure and Sylveon throughout the battle. Curse patches up Snorlax's lacking Defense stat, making it difficult to take down without very powerful attacks, and increases its Attack, enabling Snorlax to beat defensive Pokemon that could otherwise stall it out like Umbreon and Milotic lacking haze. Darkest Lariat provides great offensive coverage in combination with Body Slam and notably allows Snorlax to bypass Acid Armor Reuniclus' boosts, while Earthquake lets Snorlax hit Cobalion, one of its best answers, for significant damage. The provided Defense EVs allow Snorlax to survive an Outrage from Choice Band Haxorus, with the remaining EVs and Careful nature further bolstering Snorlax's special bulk in order to let it better check special attackers.

While Snorlax's bulk is impressive, it can be hard to fit on teams due to its inconsistency in its only role as a bulky sweeper. I feel like this should be brought up in the introduction, (*) which otherwise paints Snorlax as a really good Pokemon and would make the reader question why they legit never see it? It works best on defensive or balanced teams, as it completely kills momentum on more offensive builds. mention how it needs the support of these defensive teammates to reliably deal with its checks like Cobalion that it constantly lets in for free if not running Earthquake, and how the use of Rest without Sleep Talk further amplifies this momentum drain. As Fighting-types like Cobalion, Pangoro, and Machamp are by far the biggest threats to Snorlax, bulky Fairy-types such as Sylveon and Galarian Weezing make for great teammates that aid in dealing with them. Galarian Weezing can provide Toxic Spikes support, expand on this point a little more, and talk about how Tspikes can help Snorlax pressure its checks like Haze Milotic, mention how offensive Weezing can also help pressure mons like Escav/Doub for Snorlax remove hazards, or spread status, and greatly benefits from Snorlax's ability to take on most special attackers. Sylveon is better at taking on Haxorus and provides support for Snorlax and its teammates through Wish and Heal Bell, the latter being especially useful for waking Snorlax up early say somethnig like "allowing it to more readily use Rest" here. Doublade counters Cobalion and can at least check other physical attackers such as Haxorus and Lucario, making it a desirable teammate for Snorlax. Gigalith and Rhyperior both provide solid mixed bulk and Stealth Rock support, with their Rock typing providing a countermeasure to powerful physical Fire-type Pokemon like Choice Band Darmanitan and Swords Dance Incineroar that Snorlax can't deal with. Bulky Water-types like Milotic, Vaporeon, and Rotom-Wash are also useful for helping to take on these Fire-types, as well as handling Steel-types like Cobalion, Doublade, and Escavalier. As the aforementioned Steel-types are all great answers to Snorlax that can choose to set up alongside it, SD Escav isn't really a thing anymore though having teammates that can wear them down is useful. Examples include Arcanine, Swords Dance Incineroar, and Noivern. Noivern in particular can provide valuable speed control for the slower teams Snorlax thrives on, as well as hazard control also mention how it can check the threatening fightings you mention above . Snorlax is effective on stall, despite the playstyle's low presence in the meta- teammates like Quagsire and Reuniclus are paired with Snorlax in order to cover a variety of setup sweepers and Snorlax's Fighting weakness respectively.

This is crazy long already but something about extra bulky Water matchup needs to be brought up here, as Haze Milotic is an absolute hard counter to you.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Eve, 375272]]
- Quality checked by: [[Lilburr, 481709], [, ]]
- Grammar checked by: [[, ]]
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2/2 gj, Lily basically covered everything already :)

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GP 1/1
[SET]
name: Curse
move 1: Rest
move 2: Curse
move 3: Body Slam
move 4: Darkest Lariat / Earthquake (spacing)
item: Leftovers
ability: Thick Fat
nature: Careful
evs: 252 HP / 24 Def / 232 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Snorlax's amazing special bulk, solid Normal typing, and good Attack stat make it both a good answer to several of the tier's most threatening attackers and a potentially game-ending sweeper with Curse; unfortunately, it is unreliable at best as a sweeper due to the number of popular Pokemon that can break through it, most notably Fighting-types like Cobalion, or deny its setup via Haze. Rest lets Snorlax stay healthy and removes status conditions, extending its sweeps and letting it better check threatening special wallbreakers like Chandelure and Sylveon throughout the battle. Curse patches up Snorlax's lacking Defense stat, making it difficult to take down without very powerful attacks, and increases its Attack, enabling Snorlax to beat defensive Pokemon that could otherwise stall it out like Umbreon and Milotic lacking Haze. Darkest Lariat provides great offensive coverage in combination with Body Slam and notably allows Snorlax to bypass Acid Armor Reuniclus' Reuniclus's boosts, while Earthquake lets Snorlax hit Cobalion, one of its best answers, for significant damage. The provided Defense EVs allow Snorlax to survive an Outrage from Choice Band Haxorus, with the remaining EVs and Careful nature further bolstering Snorlax's special bulk in order to let it better check special attackers.

Snorlax works best on defensive or balanced teams, as it kills momentum on more offensive builds and requires reliable answers to Pokemon that reliably exploit it. Bulky Fairy-types such as Sylveon and Galarian Weezing make for great teammates that aid in dealing with Fighting-types like Pangoro and Machamp. Galarian Weezing can additionally provide Toxic Spikes support, which help Snorlax pressure defensive checks such as Haze Milotic. It can also spread status or remove entry hazards for its team, and offensive variants can pressure Pokemon Snorlax struggles to break through like Doublade and Escavalier. Sylveon provides support for Snorlax and its teammates through Wish and Heal Bell, with the latter being especially useful as it allows to allow Snorlax to more readily use Rest. Doublade counters Cobalion, which can freely switch in on Snorlax lacking Earthquake, and can at least check other physical attackers such as Haxorus and Lucario. Gigalith and Rhyperior both provide solid mixed bulk and Stealth Rock support (RC) and act as countermeasures to powerful physical Fire-type Pokemon like Choice Band Darmanitan and Swords Dance Incineroar that Snorlax can't deal with. Bulky Water-types like Milotic, Vaporeon, and Rotom-Wash Rotom-W can also take on these Fire-types, as well as handling Steel-types like Cobalion and Doublade. As the aforementioned Steel-types can set up on Snorlax, having teammates that can switch in and wear them down is useful. Examples include Arcanine, Swords Dance Incineroar, and Noivern. Noivern also checks the aforementioned Fighting-types, provides a means of speed control revenge killer for the usually slower teams Snorlax thrives on, and provides hazard control. Snorlax is effective on stall, despite the playstyle's low presence in the metagame—teammates like Quagsire and Reuniclus cover a variety of setup sweepers and Snorlax's Fighting weakness, (AC) respectively. Milotic and other bulky Water-types using Haze entirely invalidate Snorlax, making reliable responses to those, such as Celebi, Roserade, and Vileplume, valuable teammates.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Eve, 375272]]
- Quality checked by: [[Lilburr, 481709], [Estarossa, 461329]]
- Grammar checked by: [[, ]]
 
Uploaded, but for future reference, make sure there's spacing between slashed moves in your sets (e.g. Darkest Lariat / Earthquake). This was missed in the GP check so please make sure you proofread your analyses more thoroughly before marking done.
 
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