Some kind of RMT

[insomniac]

Oh hi, again. So all I've been doing since Mence got banned was test things constantly. I was one day just browsing the site and decided to try TyraniBoah since I never played with that set. Then I attempted to create a team around it, but I fail in this department, but the team I've made had some success. To me it's one of the best teams I've made, but it's recently been starting to slip up. So me not wanting to just completely trash this team I come to your for advice on how, if maybe, I could make it better? I appreciate any comments or criticism.

Well here's the team:

Roserade@Focus Sash
HP 4/SPATK 252/SPE 252
Timid | Natural Cure
~ Hidden Power [Fire]
~ Leaf Storm
~ Sleep Powder
~ Toxic Spikes

So just the standard Roserade lead. I went with it because I can put, or at least attempt...fucking accuracy, the other lead to sleep and then set up Toxic Spikes which could rack up amazing damage. Hidden Power Fire is for Scizor, because to this day I cannot understand why people switch it into Roserade. Leaf Storm is quite a powerful move and with STAB it will do a great deal of damage to a lot of Pokemon. Basically even though sleep is nice, my priority is for it to just set up Toxic Spikes.

Flygon@Choice Scarf
HP 4/ATK 252/SPE 252
Jolly | -
~ Earthquake
~ Outrage
~ Stone Edge
~ U-Turn
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Dragonite@Choice Band
HP 4/ATK 252/SPE 252
Adamant | -
~ Earthquake
~ Extremespeed
~ Fire Punch
~ Outrage

OK I'm still testing these two out. Both of them work well and in my opinion replace Tyranitar well. With Flygon I'm still unsure whether I want to go with Jolly or Adamant because I wont lose as much speed as I thought if I go Adamant, and if I do go Adamant I will hit things harder. I also chose Stone Edge over Fire Blast because I can deal with Steel types(STAB EQ) but if something like Gyarados wants to switch in, it's goodnight for it. Other moves are basic; U-Turn is to scout, EQ is for STAB and to kill non-scarfed Ape's(they pose a big problem to this team), as well as most Steels(like Rachi or Tran), and Outrage is for STAB and to put on a little sweep. Now for Dragonite I feel the most conformable with the Choice Band set. What it also gives me is the priority move which can help me clean up some things late game. EQ is for Steel coverage if they want to switch in predicting a Outrage(or if Tran thinks a Fire Punch is coming), Fire Punch is for mainly Scizor and Celebi, and Outrage is same as for Flygon. I still can't decide between these two. They both work really well, and also allow me to switch into Earthquakes which Tyranitar wouldn't have taken well.

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Tyranitar@Leftovers
HP 252/SPE 52/SPATK 204
Quiet | -
~ Dark Pulse
~ Flamethrower
~ Focus Punch
~ Substitute

So I went with TyraniBoah because well it seemed interesting and I never had a chance to try it out. I put 52 EVs in Speed because I still want to out-speed Blissey, and I just put the rest in SpAtk because that way both my attacking stats even out and that just means stronger hits on the special side if I get, let's say Intimidated or something. Dark Pulse is for STAB of course and getting rid of the pesky Ghosts that switch into Focus Punch. Flamethrower is for Scizor and Metagross. And Focus Punch CAN 2HKO most things, but things like let's say Bronzong and Gyarados give me trouble.

Heatran@Chople Berry
SPE 252/SPATK 252/SPDEF 4
Timid | -
~ Earth Power
~ Fire Blast
~ Stealth Rock
~ Taunt

I think Tran is a nice addition to this team over Skarm. He mostly comes in right after Roserade to set up, which are necessary. I also might sometimes switch him into a Fire Blast/Flamethrower from Azelf or a HP Fire from another Roserade. Fire Blast is for STAB and just to hit things hard with, Earth Power is for those other Trans or anything weak to Ground. Finally I picked Taunt over HP Grass and Explosion. So far it has saved my ass countless times from getting swept by something like Gyarados. With these EVs BulkyGyara is out-sped, and if I can predict right I can also Taunt a LO Gyara. Now I lose my ability to Explode right on Blissey, BUT I can pretty much cripple it and force it to show me it's offensive moves...and it also allows me to cripple Wish Passers. Also I chose Chople Berry over Shuca because so far this thing has ALWAYS died from a fighting-type move and I can always switch out if Pert wants to EQ.

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Skarmory@Leftovers
HP 252/DEF 4/SPDEF 252
Impish | Keen Eye
~ Roost
~ Spikes
~ Stealth Rock
~ Whirlwind

Okay so this is just my pHazer and basically sets up the remainder of entry hazards. It's VERY wonerable to taunt but I know when to switch out, and it also let's me know if my opponent is running the Bulky Gyara set or not. I also chose the SpDef set since that's what people usually bring in, a special attacker. It's able to live most special hits and Roost them off. I try to bring this in right after Roserade goes away so that way I can leave the entry hazards there and start whirlwinding. If my opponent can't scare it away, doesn't have taunt or trick...they're basically looking at a ton of damage done.

Starmie@Life Orb
SPE 252/SPATK 252/SPDEF 4
Timid | Natural Cure
~ Ice Beam Grass Knot
~ Hydro Pump
~ Rapid Spin
~ Thunderbolt

So with the rise in stall teams I noticed that my previous teams had a big Toxic Spikes and Spikes weakness. Then I tried the Bulky Starmie set but that just fails. I can scare off the other guy and Rapid Spin, but when it comes to fighting back it sucks. So I went with the Life Orb set, and that way people also almost never see the Rapid Spin coming. I chose Hydro Pump over Surf because it will just end up hitting things harder, but I'm thinking of going back to Surf. Also with both Thunderbolt AND Grass Knot, which I need, I'm missing Ice Beam which makes things like Dragonite and Zapdos a bit hard to kill. Basically if Roserade isn't alive Grass Knot is my Pert killer, and Thunderbolt is my Starmie, Gyarados, Suicune and Vaporeon killer.

Gengar@Life Orb Leftovers
HP 4/SPE 252/SPATK 252
Timid | -
~ Focus Blast
~ Pain Split Hypnosis
~ Shadow Ball
~ Substitute

With so many entry hazards I'm trying to set up I knew I was going to run into a Rapid Spinner so I decided to pack a ghost. I originally had Rotom-W with Specs but since I also use this team on WiFi I chose Gengar. But after some testing it seemed right, especially since most things like Foretress or Starmie switch out, which gives me the chance to set up a Sub. Then I TRY to put the incoming threat to sleep or I just go straight for the kill. Scizor CAN be a problem but I can just leave to Skarm to wall it. As a Spin blocker he does his job quite nicely.

Jirachi@Leftovers
HP 252/DEF 220/SPE 36
Bold | -
~ Calm Mind
~ Psychic
~ Thunderbolt
~ Wish

This replaced Machamp. So far testing it I love it. It's very wonerable to status moves (because I'm used to using SubCM Rachi) but it takes hits pretty well. What I love the most about this is that I'm actually able to beat Blissey with it. Serene Grace + Psychic will drop Blissey's SpDef, and I can shuffle CM, Wish and Thunderbolt as I please. This has actually become my Blissey killer, as strange as that sounds. Other than that it's able to take out a Gyarados if Starmie or Flygon/Dragonite are out, and if I play it correctly I can sweep late game, and Toxic Spikes are also a big help.

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Machamp@Leftovers
HP 252/ATK 128/SPE 128
Adamant | No Guard
~ Bulk Up
~ Dynamicpunch
~ Payback
~ Stone Edge

I really had no idea what to put in the last slot, so I just went with Bulk Up Machamp. I figured this guy can come in on things like Scizor's Bullet Punch or just come in on something and scare it away and then Bulk Up on the switch and just DynamicPunch away on anything that isn't a ghost type. Stone Edge is for flying types like gyarados and dragonite, Payback is for ghosts or psychics. Although this thing can't really take hits as well as I want it to and that's kind of this teams problem...it really sometimes just has no safe switch and Pokemon end up being picked off. So I'm willing to replace some Pokemon if they're worth it...I'd like to keep at least gengar and tyranitar because they've worked the best.

 

[Doctor Who?]

Eghhh, I just don't see Bulk Up being more useful than Sub on Machamp, I know you have problems taking hits, which you already mentioned but I think you could cause a lot more switches with sub, which is great for this team, with all three hazards set up.

This is a great team btw and gl ;)

 

[Azlanslayer]

Hi,I Actually Tested Your Team.You Have Weakness To Faster Pokemon And Heatran.Earth Power + Fire Blast After Starmie Is Dead GG For You.Machamp Is 2HKOED

Quick Rate,I Will Rate More Later

 

[Alan]

Hi there, I saw this team so imma go and rate it.

It looks like a pretty good team all in all, but I think a few things could be done to make this team a bit better. The first thing I see is Hypnosis on Gengar, which to be frank is a terrible move these days. Its only got 60% accuracy and Pain Split is far more useful on Gengar now a days. Life Orb is also a better item because you will be able to damage a lot more stuff and change some 2HKOs to OHKOs. Also, with Substitute and Pain Split, you will be able to possibly beat Blissey with Pain Split + Focus Blast, with Toxic Spikes in play, this is made even easier.

Grass Knot instead of Ice Beam on Starmie is also a pretty poor choice imo, mostly since Pert can't really do anything to your team. Also, Hydro Pump already does a ton of damage to it iirc. Taking out Dragonite and Flygon, two very big threats in the current metagame, is far more useful than Swampert, who is basically screaming "free spikes" for your Skarmory.

Machamp also seems pretty out of place to be honest with you. I know you said you just used it as filler, but there are far better sweepers to abuse Toxic Spikes with. CMWish Jirachi immediately comes to mind (well CroCune did first, but I'm not a fan of it). Its ability to CM up to boost its SpA and SpD, and after about 2 CMs it doesn't scared of anything and hits like a truck. Wish is also an invaluable support move for the likes of Starmie and Tyranitar. CM + Wish is also pretty great for outstalling opponents, and if you opt for Thunderbolt you really help your Gyarados problem. In case you weren't aware, here is the set:

Jirachi @ Leftovers | 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe | Bold Nature
Wish | Calm Mind | Thunderbolt | Psychic

I realize Psychic looks like a pretty "omg is this guy serious?" move choice but imo its a ton better than Flash Cannon, since unlike Steel-type moves, Psychic actually has pretty good neutral coverage. Thunderbolt + Psychic is pretty much unresisted coverage except for Magnezone, but that guy resists like everything so we ignore him.

tl;dr team should look like:
Roserade
Skarmory
Tyranitar
Starmie w/Ice Beam
Gengar w/Pain Split
CMWish Jirachi

Hope my changes helped and good luck.

 

[tab]

Hi. You've got a decent start to a team here, but there really seems to be a few cases of simply using a pokemon for the sake of it, with some really questionable choices.

First of all, I don't think this is the right team to be using something like Skarmory on - you aren't really set up to take advantage of the benefits of using one. You'd be much better off using a different SRer and giving up on Spikes, seeing as they aren't really necesarry here. A Shuca Berry Heatran with Fire Blast/Earth Power/Stealth Rock/Explosion would be pretty perfect.

There's no reason to be using GK over IB on Starmie, it's essential for rounding off your coverage, and the only notable thing that GK hits is 2HKOed by Hydro Pump anyway.

I'd suggest using Pain Split over Hypnosis on Gengar and giving it a Life Orb, which not only makes it a vastly more dangerous special attacker, but also gives it the ability to take advantage of Toxic Spikes incredibly well, making it much easier for you to beat stall teams without having to try and use something like Tyraniboah.

I'm going to echo what the previous posters have said and suggest that you use Substitute on Machamp, as it's simply a much better all-round option, as well as being another great way to take advantage of Toxic Spikes.

Finally, I don't think you need to be using Boah here. Between Machamp, Tspikes and SubSplit Gengar, as well as the rest of your team, you should have plenty of means of dealing with stall teams, and you'd be much better off using the final spot on your team to cover your problems. Something like a Scarf Flygon with ThunderPunch would fit in nicely, covering your weaknesses, and making it much easier to play around the more dangerous pokemon for this team.

Good luck!

 

[insomniac]

Eghhh, I just don't see Bulk Up being more useful than Sub on Machamp, I know you have problems taking hits, which you already mentioned but I think you could cause a lot more switches with sub, which is great for this team, with all three hazards set up.

This is a great team btw and gl ;)

Okay I will give SubMachamp a shot. Thanks!

Hi,I Actually Tested Your Team.You Have Weakness To Faster Pokemon And Heatran.Earth Power + Fire Blast After Starmie Is Dead GG For You.Machamp Is 2HKOED

Quick Rate,I Will Rate More Later

I see...so should I perhaps try out ScarfStarmie to deal with the faster Pokemon and Heatran?

Hi there, I saw this team so imma go and rate it.

It looks like a pretty good team all in all, but I think a few things could be done to make this team a bit better. The first thing I see is Hypnosis on Gengar, which to be frank is a terrible move these days. Its only got 60% accuracy and Pain Split is far more useful on Gengar now a days. Life Orb is also a better item because you will be able to damage a lot more stuff and change some 2HKOs to OHKOs. Also, with Substitute and Pain Split, you will be able to possibly beat Blissey with Pain Split + Focus Blast, with Toxic Spikes in play, this is made even easier.

Quite honestly Hypnosis has hit more times for me than Sleep Powder, but maybe that's me just getting very lucky. I never actually tested Pain Split Gengar, but I keep hearing great things about it so I'll give it a go.

Grass Knot instead of Ice Beam on Starmie is also a pretty poor choice imo, mostly since Pert can't really do anything to your team. Also, Hydro Pump already does a ton of damage to it iirc. Taking out Dragonite and Flygon, two very big threats in the current metagame, is far more useful than Swampert, who is basically screaming "free spikes" for your Skarmory.

I see, and yeah I basically just kept Grass Knot for ONE Pokemon and now I can see how dumb that choice was.

Machamp also seems pretty out of place to be honest with you. I know you said you just used it as filler, but there are far better sweepers to abuse Toxic Spikes with. CMWish Jirachi immediately comes to mind (well CroCune did first, but I'm not a fan of it). Its ability to CM up to boost its SpA and SpD, and after about 2 CMs it doesn't scared of anything and hits like a truck. Wish is also an invaluable support move for the likes of Starmie and Tyranitar. CM + Wish is also pretty great for outstalling opponents, and if you opt for Thunderbolt you really help your Gyarados problem. In case you weren't aware, here is the set:

Jirachi @ Leftovers | 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe | Bold Nature
Wish | Calm Mind | Thunderbolt | Psychic

I realize Psychic looks like a pretty "omg is this guy serious?" move choice but imo its a ton better than Flash Cannon, since unlike Steel-type moves, Psychic actually has pretty good neutral coverage. Thunderbolt + Psychic is pretty much unresisted coverage except for Magnezone, but that guy resists like everything so we ignore him.

Oh yeah I've had CMRachi on a few of my other teams, but instead of Wish and Bold nature it was all offensive with I think Timid and HP Fire. But I'll also give that a try as well.

First of all, I don't think this is the right team to be using something like Skarmory on - you aren't really set up to take advantage of the benefits of using one. You'd be much better off using a different SRer and giving up on Spikes, seeing as they aren't really necesarry here. A Shuca Berry Heatran with Fire Blast/Earth Power/Stealth Rock/Explosion would be pretty perfect.

Hm I can see how Tran might be better, especially if I used CMRachi. Also I went with Spikes because I just wanted to do as much free damage as possible to my opponent. I'll admit some times I get maybe...one layer up, if even. But yeah I shall test out the Tran.

Finally, I don't think you need to be using Boah here. Between Machamp, Tspikes and SubSplit Gengar, as well as the rest of your team, you should have plenty of means of dealing with stall teams, and you'd be much better off using the final spot on your team to cover your problems. Something like a Scarf Flygon with ThunderPunch would fit in nicely, covering your weaknesses, and making it much easier to play around the more dangerous pokemon for this team.

Good luck!

I've tested some Scarf Flygon here and there, even Life Orb ones, but he just doesn't hit as hard as I'd like it to. Some matches I've won because of him but then there are matches I've also lost because of him. I'm not sure but perhaps a Dragonite with Scarf would be a better choice at least? It definitely hits harder, and the only draw-back is the speed I wouldn't have. Also I've tested CB Nite and that works wonders if I can get it to do what I want. But I will give all three a try and report back.

Thanks everyone!

 

[Doctor Who?]

You could have a problem with Heatran since with ttar, the pokemon that can sponge most of its attacks simply can't do anything back as long as Heatran keeps attacking. Eghhh you could just use Recover on Starmie or eq on ttar but I'd have to agree that you don't particularly need Tyraniboah considering you don't have any problems against stall. You could use a different ttar set, but at the moment I can't think of any that would benefit your team, or you could replace it entirely, since sandstorm is hurting all of your pokemon with the exception of Skarmory, and for that I would consider it an inferior choice. I can't think of anything off the top of my head that would be a great replacement here, but you could look at Scarf Flygon like tab suggested. The other thing I might consider here is a Scarftran since your team could have huge problems against a Luke or Scizor after an sd.

 

[insomniac]

I updated the OP with some changes I made. Edits are in bold and the Pokemon that were replaced were put in spoiler tags below the Pokemon that replaced it. Thanks everyone who helped.

 

[ginganinja]

hey
In regards to Flygon vs Dragonite question you have I would really have to say Flygon. It resists SR unlike Dragonite and can outspeed far more things such as DD Gyarados and DD Dragonite.

 

[Doctor Who?]

Yeah, I would have to agree with ginganinja that Scarf Flygon is a better choice than CBDragonite.

The new version looks better than the old one but if you are trying to get off a Jirachi sweep then Spikes only help your cause since most of Jirachi's checks are very vulnerable to Spikes, eg Heatran doesn't take TSpike damage and is only losing 12% every time it switches in and considering that Heatran can actually hurt this team through the lack of recovery on Starmie and Flygon I think that Spikes would be oh so very helpful because you don't have ttar or Heatran coverage on rachi, but it just an example really but I think that Spikes should come back to this team. Sorry to confuse the issue a bit :/