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[SLDR]

Garchomp @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 240 HP / 180 Def / 32 SpD / 56 Spe
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Rest
- Toxic

I submit this as a counter. Tank Chomp easily switches into Heatran, resists its Magma Storm, fears no Nature Power shenaninganry unlike Swampert or Pelipper, outspeeds and threatens a sound OHKO with its STAB Earthquake or reliabily sets up Stealth Rocks / cripple a foe with Toxic on a predicted switch.

EVs spread: 240/180+ makes it that Landorus-T's uninvested Earthquake never 3HKOs, meaning you can sit on it even when you're asleep. 56 speed outurns SpDef Heatran. Rest is bumped into SpDef to improve some rolls. You could use a specially defensive spread if you need it and don't fear Landorus-T, but I'd suggest a different item (Leftovers or Chesto Berry)

SpDef Garchomp

Garchomp @ Leftovers
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 176 HP / 24 Def / 252 SpD / 56 Spe
Careful Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Rest
- Toxic

You could just run 200/252+/56, those 24 Def reduce to the bare minimum the chance of getting 2HKO'd by Excadrill's Earthquake with Stealth Rock, which means you can almost always survive a +2 EQ without SR. If you don't need this extra insurance, just go 200/252+

Calcs

252 SpA Tapu Koko Dazzling Gleam vs. 176 HP / 252+ SpD Garchomp: 168-200 (41.8 - 49.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery.
This is the calc I started the spread with. Tapu Koko is the main Electric type in the tier, so it's important for a Ground type to be decent against it. With this spread, you do as best as Garchomp can do against it.

252+ SpA Choice Specs Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 176 HP / 252+ SpD Garchomp: 172-204 (42.8 - 50.8%) -- 2.3% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
This to me is asolute madness. Analytic of course soundly 2HKOs, but the fact that it most likely takes three Flash Cannons from Specs Zone to bring down a Garchomp is crazy to me.

252 SpA Zapdos Hurricane vs. 176 HP / 252+ SpD Garchomp: 141-166 (35.1 - 41.3%) -- 99.8% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
You can't directly touch it but you can stall out some Rain turns or cripple it with Toxic.

+1 252 SpA Blacephalon Shadow Ball vs. 176 HP / 252+ SpD Garchomp: 175-207 (43.6 - 51.6%) -- 8.2% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Pretty uncommon, but again this is quite nice.

Moveset: Stealth Rocks and Earthquake for obvious reasons, Rest is why I listed this as a counter and not as a check: you can stay alive much longer with Rest. At last, Toxic is a very powerful move that allows you to make progress on Landorus-T, Slowbro/Slowking and Rillaboom, all of which like to switch in when they realise this is Tank Chomp. Toxic and Stealth Rocks (if you value the moveslot and want a different setter) are the only moves you can replace, but EQ and Rest are mandatory.

Item: Rocky Helmet is classic, but you could consider Chesto Berry for a 1-time full refresh button

 

[Fusion Flare]

Ok, voting time it is then! But before that....

Tapu Fini @ Leftovers
Ability: Misty Surge
EVs: 252 HP / 192 Def / 64 Spe
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Taunt
- Draining Kiss
- Scald

Pretty similar to suicune in that you use it as setup bait but with the benefit of being immune to Toxic from the getgo and being able to taunt it. counter.

And now onto our voting section. Monky25 unfortunately couldnt reserve their post in time, which is very sad.

Checks
by Katy
by Tysonslayer
by ashwins72
by HydreigonTheChild
by PlusC
Counters
by SLDR
by Comradesquidwar
by TURBODERP
by Fusion Flare
by AM

 

[Katy]

check: ashwins eastrodon
counter: pretty tapu fini

 

[Tysonslayer]

check: Hydreigon
Counter: Tapu Fini

 

[alkazoth]

Check: ashwins72's Gastrodon
Counter: Fusion Flare's Tapu Fini

 

[Plushietran]

Check: East gastrodon
Counter: spdef garchomp

 

[Fusion Flare]

I suppose I’ll vote as well.
Check: Urshifu-RS
Check: Chomp

and with that, the voting stage has ended! Congratulations to airfare with their Gastrodon as a check! And uh...congratulations to me for winning too, I guess.
Now our next victim awaits us! The high-flyer of the Overused Tier! The winged wicked bringer of woe! Bird is the word for this week, because TORNADUS-THERIAN is your new enemy!

Tornadus-Therian @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Hurricane
- Focus Blast / Heat Wave
- Knock Off / Heat Wave / Weather Ball / U-Turn

Rocking a mustache magnifique and a menacing Nasty Plot set, you’d best be in for a bruising! How will you clip the feathers of such a dangerous Pokemon? That’s for you to find out!

 

[Fc]

Tapu Koko @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Electric Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- U-turn
- Roost
- Dazzling Gleam

Tapu Koko is a counter to Tornadus-Therian. With Roost it can stick around even if it slowly gets chipped by attacks being thrown at it, and it always outspeeds and OHKO's if Tornadus-T tries to set up. With both reliable recovery and an easy way to always win the 1v1, I think Tapu Koko is arguably the best counter for this Tornadus set.

Calcs

252 SpA Tapu Koko Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tornadus-Therian in Electric Terrain: 338-398 (112.6 - 132.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Tapu Koko Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tornadus-Therian: 260-308 (86.6 - 102.6%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO


252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Hurricane vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tapu Koko: 101-119 (35.9 - 42.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+2 252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Hurricane vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tapu Koko: 201-237 (71.5 - 84.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

 

[airfare]

wish this had a transparent background

Zapdos @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Static
EVs: 248 HP / 220 Def / 40 Spe
Timid Nature
- Discharge / Volt Switch
- Roost
- Heat Wave / Hurricane
- Defog / Toxic
(sub and offensive variants work as well)

Zapdos can switch into Nasty Plot Tornadus-T variants, and threaten with a Discharge paralysis or opportunity to pivot with Volt Switch into a faster offensive threat while eating even boosted Hurricane. It checks defensive pivot Tornadus-T as well with the threat of Static on a Knock Off or U-turn. Although losing its item through Knock Off is annoying, Zapdos can still remain a long-term counter to Tornadus-T through its ability and typing in addition to being able to check Grass and Ground-types that Tornadus-T typically enjoys pivoting into.

 

[Katy]

zeraora


Zeraora @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Plasma Fists
- Volt Switch
- Close Combat
- Knock Off​

Zeraora is a check to Tornadus-T, it can come in on a Hurricane even at +2 and its higher Speed tier allows it to outrun Tornadus-T easily and OHKOes it with its signature Electric-type STAB move in Plasma Fist. Zeraora can also come in on a Focus Blast and Heat Wave, although it has to be wary about a potential burn from Heat Wave. But in overall it can come in on an unboosted Tornadus-T with ease. Switching into Knock Off however can be very annoying for Zeraora, as it results into losing its Heavy-Duty Boots, but with careful switches and playing around, Zeraora is very well able to deal with Tornadus-T, as Plasma Fist straight up OHKOes it and it can also gain momentum on a teampartner of Tornadus-t with Volt Switch.

 

[scorbunnys]

Weavile @ Choice Band
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Triple Axel
- Knock Off
- Ice Shard
- Low Kick
Weavile is a check to Tornadus-T, it can switch-in into Hurricane if no rocks up and Nasty Plot, however he has still some troubles for switch-in into it with rocks up, however, it is faster than Torn and it can KO back.

252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Hurricane vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Weavile: 183-216 (65.1 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0- Atk Tornadus-Therian U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Weavile: 130-154 (46.2 - 54.8%) -- 57% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Triple Axel (40 BP) (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tornadus-Therian: 666-792 (222.7 - 264.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[Lando-San]

Dragapult @ Choice Specs
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Draco Meteor
- U-turn
- Hex / Thunderbolt / Flamethrower​

Dragapult is an offensive check of NP Tornadus-T, as it outspeed and has almost guaranteed the OHKO with Specs Draco Meteor. Dragapult may switch into Tornadus-T if you can predict that it will set up with Nasty Plot or use Focus Blast / Heat Wave on the current Pokemon you have on the field; however, that is a risky move because it can take a hefty amount of damage from Hurricane, or worst, being hit with Knock Off, which absolutelly cripples Dragapult. For this reason, it is better sacrifice another Pokemon and revenge kill with Dragapult.

252 SpA Choice Specs Dragapult Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tornadus-Therian: 289-342 (96.6 - 114.3%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO

252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Hurricane vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Dragapult: 202-238 (63.7 - 75%) -- guaranteed 2HKO



Hard Pokemon to keep in check reliably.

 

[HydreigonTheChild]

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Stone Edge
- Defog

Landorus-t is a check to torn-t because it can come in on a NP, focus blast, heat wave, or it can come in on a double/via pivoting moves, and threaten it out via scarf stone edge.

252 Atk Landorus-Therian Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tornadus-Therian: 282-334 (94.3 - 111.7%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO


252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Hurricane vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 193-228 (60.5 - 71.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 70-83 (21.9 - 26%) -- 4.9% chance to 4HKO
252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Heat Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 111-131 (34.7 - 41%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+2 252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 140-165 (43.8 - 51.7%) -- 10.9% chance to 2HKO
+2 252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Heat Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 221-261 (69.2 - 81.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

 

[Plushietran]

Kyurem @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Freeze-Dry
- Ice Beam
- Draco Meteor
- Earth Power

Not the best torn check but it works

 

[TailGlowVM]

Nihilego @ Power Herb
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 80 HP / 176 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Meteor Beam
- Sludge Wave
- Power Gem
- Grass Knot / Thunderbolt

Nihilego hates switching into Knock Off and dislikes a boosted Focus Blast or Weather Ball but it is a good check to Tornadus-T that deters it from using its most spammable moves and when it gets in, it forces the opponent to sacrifice it or have a switchin that takes a +1 Meteor Beam and is faster or survives a subsequent boosted attack.

Although not necessarily the most consistent check / counter, it is perhaps the Pokemon that can take advantage of Tornadus-T's presence the best, like Reuniclus does for Toxapex. Even if the Torn is a utility set (though not listed) Meteor Beam OHKOes it.

(C Rank is underselling Nihilego, especially with many Steels neutral to Rock at the moment.)

 

[PlusC]

This one will probably be rejected but I'm posting it anyway;


Sableye @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Careful Nature
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 HP
- Knock Off
- Recover
- Will-O-Wisp / Spite
- Encore

Sableye is a Counter to Tornadus.

252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Hurricane vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Sableye: 151-178 (49.6 - 58.5%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO

Spam Recover until it misses (Or has 4 PP left), then you can Knock or Spite. Tornadus relies on low PP moves so Spite is a fun tech against it. If it tries to NP (Or it NPs as you switch in) click Encore to lock him down.

Fuck Confusion, all my homies hate Confusion.

WoW is probably the better move over all but Spite can be fun. It's also fun to come in after a Hurricane kill, Spite once whilst it tries to Hurricane you, then again and it runs out of PP before it can use it again.

Disable and Torment are also fun options to play around with and both trivialize the Torn match up

 

[SLDR]

Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 200 SpD / 60 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Volt Switch / Discharge
- Hydro Pump
- Pain Split
- Will-O-Wisp / Defog / Thunder Wave

This mon is underrated in how useful it is, as it staves off a handful of threats in one slot, one of which is our victim of the week, Tornadus-T. With respectable bulk, advantageous typing and good enough moveset, Rotom-Wash is a great Tornadus-T counter. It lives through 2 Hurricanes after Stealth Rock, unlike its counterpart Rotom-Heat it isn't crippled by Knock Off and doesn't die to Water and Rock type Weather Ball. In return, Rotom-Wash threatens either a hefty chunk with Volt Switch to bring in a revengekiller, a powerful Discharge that threatens to ruin Tornadus-T or a direct paralysis through Thunder Wave.

+2 252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Hurricane vs. 248 HP / 200+ SpD Rotom-Wash: 114-135 (37.6 - 44.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

0 SpA Rotom-Wash Volt Switch vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tornadus-Therian: 170-204 (56.8 - 68.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 SpA Rotom-Wash Discharge vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tornadus-Therian: 198-234 (66.2 - 78.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

 

[alkazoth]

Gonna come in with a unique pick here.

Diancie @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Body Press
- Diamond Storm
- Moonblast
- Stealth Rock
​

A mon you wouldn't ever think of using in OU, but after some digging I found a mon who can check Torn somewhat reliably. Boasting the Rock typing and a 150 spdef stat, Diancie can come in on any move except for Weather Ball in the rain. Diamond Storm gives Diancie a way to hit hard with rock stab and also possibly boost it's physdef by 2 stages. Diancie takes Focus Blast like a champ, taking less than half at +2. Clear Body also helps protect it from any stat drops that could prevent it from checking Torn. It doesn't appreciate Knock however, since Lefties are its only form of recovery. Overall, I can safely say that Diancie is a Torn T check.

 

[animallol]

Regice @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 212 SpA / 44 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Rest
- Sleep Talk


This mon is a bit niche but is a really great check to np torn due to its massive spdef stat. It can also threaten to ohko torn with stab ice beam. It can survive a + 3 focus blast from max spa torn with the correct evs.


+3 252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 44 SpD Regice: 306-362 (84 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
212+ SpA Regice Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tornadus-Therian: 284-336 (94.9 - 112.3%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Hurricane vs. 252 HP / 44 SpD Regice: 84-100 (23 - 27.4%) -- 66.1% chance to 4HKO

 

[Nahomitsoa]

Mamoswine @ Assault Vest
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Icicle Crash
- Ice Shard
- Earthquake
- Knock Off​

With the Assault Vest, he can easily check all tornadus attacks and he can oneshot this mon easily.

252 Atk Mamoswine Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tornadus-Therian: 336-396 (112.3 - 132.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Mamoswine Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tornadus-Therian: 158-188 (52.8 - 62.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

vs​

252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Mamoswine: 234-276 (64.8 - 76.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Heat Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Thick Fat Mamoswine: 92-110 (25.4 - 30.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

 

[Sagdiyev]

here we go!
I am submitting as a hard counter to Torn-T. The single best special wall in the game off of raw numbers, it can shrug off even Tornadus' Focus Blast and Teleport out if it chooses to U-Turn.

@
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
- Ice Beam
- Soft-Boiled
- Teleport
- Thunder Wave / Seismic Toss

Ice Beam and Thunder Wave are great general tools to fight against NP Tornadus. Crippling it with Paralysis so a slower wallbreaker can finish it off, or doing the dirty work itself with Ice Beam off of a respectable base 75 Special Attack are all good traits. While foregoing Seismic Toss for good fixed damage may suck, you can phase out Thunder Wave if you'd like if you have another Torn check/counter. Let's take a look at some calcs.

252+ SpA Blissey Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tornadus-Therian: 164-194 (54.8 - 64.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Focus Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Blissey: 360-424 (55.2 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Hurricane vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Blissey: 246-291 (37.7 - 44.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+2 252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Weather Ball (100 BP Water) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Blissey in Rain: 225-265 (34.5 - 40.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

While +2 Focus Blast seems scary (and it is), one cheese miss and Torn has to switch in fear of getting KOed, while you teleport out. Cheesing Rillabooms and other physical attackers on the switch is cool as well.

how the fuck do those boots fit on her though, she has no ankles

 

[PlusC]

Not to flog the thread up but if Blissey switches on on NP, Torn can just NP a second time and OHKO with Focus Blast, then your team is staring down a +4 Torn on half HP without your best wall. I think check is a better word than counter.

 

[Fusion Flare]

ok, voting time. I'm gonna be real, i did not expect as nearly as many unconventional picks as i did.
But most of them are just UR (Sableye, Regice, Diancie) or incredibly meager sets on already meager pokemon (Mamoswine) so i won't be putting them up for the voting stage.
Checks:
Pivot Zeraora by Katy
Specs Dragapult by Lando-San
Banded Weavile by Pokeseba
Twave Blissey by Sagdiyev V2
Meteor Beam Nihilego by TailGlowVM
Scarf Kyurem by Shadesan
Scarf Landorus-Therian by HydreigonTheChild
Counters:
Boots Koko by Fc
Spdef Rotom-W by SLDR
Zapdos by airfare

Vote for 2 checks, 2 counters.

 

[SLDR]

I suppose I can't vote myself so my votes are:
Checks: #1 Zeraora, #2 Weavile
Counters: #1 Tapu Koko, #2 Zapdos

 

[TailGlowVM]

Checks: ,
Counters: ,