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reserving hydreigon

:ss/hydreigon:
Hydreigon @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Dark Pulse
- Fire Blast / Thunder Wave / Earth Power
- U-turn
- Roost

You aren't 5HKOed by it's unboosted attacks while having a chance to OHKO with fire blast. If you choose not to run fire blast, you can paralyze it with twave and dark pulse is a 3HKO. Easy counter.

Calcs:

252+ SpA Life Orb Venusaur Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Hydreigon: 56-66 (14.4 - 17%) -- possible 9HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Life Orb Venusaur Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Hydreigon in Sun: 75-90 (19.3 - 23.1%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Hydreigon Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Venusaur in Sun: 286-338 (95 - 112.2%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
0 SpA Hydreigon Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Venusaur: 105-124 (34.8 - 41.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
 
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myself12 said:
reserving hydreigon

:ss/hydreigon:
Hydreigon @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Dark Pulse
- Fire Blast / Thunder Wave / Earth Power
- U-turn
- Roost

You take less than 20% from all of its attacks while having a chance to OHKO with fire blast. If you choose not to run fire blast, you can paralyze it with twave and dark pulse is a 3HKO. Easy counter.

Calcs:

252+ SpA Life Orb Venusaur Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Hydreigon: 56-66 (14.4 - 17%) -- possible 9HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Life Orb Venusaur Weather Ball (50 BP Normal) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Hydreigon: 51-61 (13.1 - 15.7%) -- possibly the worst move ever
0 SpA Hydreigon Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Venusaur in Sun: 286-338 (95 - 112.2%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
0 SpA Hydreigon Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Venusaur: 105-124 (34.8 - 41.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
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your weather ball is 50BP Normal but you have a point
 
fatBatman said:
Gardevoir is mostly outclassed by lele as a fairy psychic special attacker, but it has its niche; access to utility moves like trick, wisp, e621, healing wish and the ability to competely destroy the prevelant weather teams are qualities that lele wished it had.
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bro wha
 
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Ty to everyone who voted. The winners this time are

Counter: :Dragonite: by GiyuForPresident
Check: :Ninetales-Alola: by Vengeance417


Now for the next Victim of the Week we have... Cloyster!

:ss/Cloyster:

Cloyster @ Heavy-Duty Boots / Life Orb
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Adamant / Naughty Nature
- Shell Smash
- Icicle Spear
- Rock Blast
- Explosion / Hydro Pump / Ice Shard​

Even after King's Rock's ban, Cloyster countinues to be one of the scariest sights on team preview and an important part of the metagame. You can see it on teams such as Cloyster + DD Pult Veil HO by bbeeaa. After a Shell Smash, a Life Orb Hydro Pump OHKOs most variants of Heatran and Buzzwole, while Explosion OHKO's Toxapex and Tapu Fini. With said pokemon unable to check Cloyster, which are the ones that can still withstand it's hits?

Submissions end on Sunday July 31st at 23:59 EST
Please specify if your submission is a counter or a check​
 
reserving rilla

:ss/rillaboom:
Rillaboom @ Choice Band
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Grassy Glide
- Knock Off
- Wood Hammer
- U-turn

You kill with grassy glide, and since you are faster than cloyster, you don't take any ice shard damage. This is a check because icicle spear will OHKO.

252+ Atk Choice Band Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Cloyster in Grassy Terrain: 284-336 (117.8 - 139.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Cloyster Icicle Spear (5 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Rillaboom: 360-430 (105.5 - 126%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
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Counter Empol- wait no sh*t its not in gen 8

Melmetal @ Assault Vest
Ability: Iron Fist
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Double Iron Bash
- Superpower
- Earthquake
- Ice Punch

Gigachad Defensive :Melmetal: as a Counter
This dude can literally take a +2, Critical hit, 5 hits Rock Blast and Icicle Spear as if it was nothing.
If the Cloyster dares to explode, that is just a waste because even a +6 this Gigachad will just take that explosion casually But come on, who tf would set up 3 shell smashes in front of a melmetal
Not even hydro pump does enough damage to 2HKO
However, its Double Iron Bash deals massive damage to cloyster even with only 8 EVs Invested

+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Cloyster Explosion vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Melmetal: 229-269 (48.4 - 56.8%) -- 91.8% chance to 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Cloyster Icicle Spear (5 hits) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Melmetal on a critical hit: 260-310 (54.9 - 65.5%) -- approx. 2HKO
8 Atk Iron Fist Melmetal Double Iron Bash (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 128-152 (53.1 - 63%) -- approx. 2HKO
+2 4 SpA Life Orb Cloyster Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Melmetal: 169-200 (35.7 - 42.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
 
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:ss/Toxapex:
Toxapex @ Black Sludge :Black Sludge:
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Toxic
- Haze
- Recover

You switch in, Haze it's boosts away, poison it with Toxic, and pivot out for Regenerator or if possible use Recover. You've successfully countered and crippled Cloyster. If you suspect an Explosion, you could also switch into a Steel-type; although if they use Rock Blast it's basically safe.

+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Cloyster Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 175-210 (57.5 - 69%) -- approx. 2HKO
 
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yeshahar said:
Counter Empol- wait no sh*t its not in gen 8

Melmetal @ Protective Pads
Ability: Iron Fist
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Double Iron Bash
- Superpower
- Earthquake
- Ice Punch

Gigachad Defensive :Melmetal: as a Counter
This dude can literally take a +2, Critical hit, 5 hits Rock Blast and Icicle Spear as if it was nothing.
If the Cloyster dares to explode, that is just a waste because even a +6 this Gigachad will just take that explosion casually But come on, who tf would set up 3 shell smashes in front of a melmetal
Not even hydro pump does enough damage to 2HKO
However, its Double Iron Bash deals massive damage to cloyster even with only 8 EVs Invested

+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Cloyster Explosion vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Melmetal: 229-269 (48.4 - 56.8%) -- 91.8% chance to 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Cloyster Icicle Spear (5 hits) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Melmetal on a critical hit: 260-310 (54.9 - 65.5%) -- approx. 2HKO
8 Atk Iron Fist Melmetal Double Iron Bash (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 128-152 (53.1 - 63%) -- approx. 2HKO
+2 4 SpA Life Orb Cloyster Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Melmetal: 169-200 (35.7 - 42.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
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Just a heads up, you mentioned Protective Pads on your set but the calc for Hydro Pump shows Assault Vest
 
:ss/jellicent:

Jellicent @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover
- Hex
(Counter)
+2 252 Atk Cloyster Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Jellicent: 200-240 (49.5 - 59.4%) -- approx. 99.6% chance to 2HKO
Jellicent lives rock blast from shell smash cloyster, immune to hydro and explosion, and easily lives ice type moves. So you just will o wisp as it rock blasts, recover, and hex to kill.
 
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Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 128 Def / 128 Spe
Bold Nature
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Thunder Wave
- Pain Split

Check.

The only way Cloyster will successfully break through a healthy Rotom-W, not counting crits, is via Explosion. Volt Switch will OHKO Cloyster, and if Cloyster finds itself switching out, Rotom gains the momentum. All of Icicle Spear, Rock Blast, and Hydro Pump fail to 2HKO unboosted even when Naughty and boosted by Life Orb. Speed is to outpace Naughty unboosted Cloyster, and the rest goes into Defense to survive unboosted Explosion and prevent LO Naughty Rock Blast from 2HKOing unboosted.
 
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Urshifu-RS as a Check

:Urshifu-Rapid-Strike:
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Protective Pads
Ability: Unseen Fist
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Surging Strikes
- Ice Punch
- U-turn

Urshifu-RS lives every hit after a Shall Smash easily, even after hazard damage, and KOs back wit Close Combat. The only thing that will take Urshifu out is explosion, which is basically a trade at that point as Urshifu can switch in to Cloyster without much worry.
:Cloyster:
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Cloyster Icicle Spear (5 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 215-255 (63 - 74.7%) -- approx. 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Cloyster Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 145-170 (42.5 - 49.8%) -- approx. 3HKO
+2 4 SpA Life Orb Cloyster Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 203-240 (59.5 - 70.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Cloyster Explosion vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 567-668 (166.2 - 195.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

:urshifu-Rapid-Strike:
252 Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Close Combat vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 354-416 (146.8 - 172.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 236-278 (97.9 - 115.3%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
 
Is it a bird? Is it a plane? A fighter jet...? No! It's

:ss/kartana:

Kartana @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Leaf Blade
- Sacred Sword
- Knock Off
- Smart Strike / Aerial Ace

Lemme ask you this, are you tired of Cloysters critting 3 Icicle spears on your Pokemon and fucking killing them? Me too! It seriously pisses me off!
Introducing CHOICE SCARF KARTANA the totally innovative set that I just came up with on the spot and totally is not the most used set according to set usage stats. All credit goes to me, and me only (Not afraid to sue).

Let's examine this scenario thoroughly with love and tender care:

Adamant Cloyster has 239 speed! Shell smash doubles that speed.
239 * 2 = 478

Jolly Kartana (If you ever run adamant kartana I feel sorry for you) has 348 speed! Choice scarf essentially acts as a 1.5x boost.
348 * 1.5 = 522.5
This rounds down to 522 because pokemon is mean and almost always rounds down.

Now I'm no math genius myself but according to scientific studies (Which I did not make up) 522 is greater than 478, meaning that you make the perfect Revenge killer with your Ice shard neutrality to Cloyster, as opposed to the LOSER pure Grass-type Rillaboom.

+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Cloyster Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kartana: 121-142 (46.7 - 54.8%) -- 60.5% chance to 2HKO

252 Atk Kartana Leaf Blade vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 338-402 (140.2 - 166.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Comments from Kartana:
-ONCE AGAIN I CUT A WORTHLESS OBJECT
-AGAIN AGAIN WORTHLESS OBJECT
-ONCE AGAIN I CUT A WORTHLESS OBJECT
-AGAIN, AGAIN AGAIN

(Warning: Side effects include but are not limited to: amnesia, flu, sickness, feeling sleepy midday, losing on all your rolls, only facing toxic spikes toxapex stall, only facing shedinja stall, loss of appetite, headaches, being tricked a ring target by zoroark, being walled by tornadus-therian, sleeping for 5 turns in a row, going to the store when you don't need anything for the free samples, playing games and getting bored really really fast, making up random ev spreads for very specific scenarios that'll never come up, obsession with cutting worthless objects, cutting worthless objects, and having all of your household appliances cut by Kartana as they are worthless objects.)

B-b-but what if the Cloyster is Jolly??? Wouldn't he be faster and one-shot with +2 Icicle spear???

You are absolutely right! But worry not dear customer! For I always plan ahead, and my plan was to steal your credit card and pay for you while you weren't looking! I sure hope you do enjoy our specialized check to those pesky Cloysters! Have a great day! Oh and no refunds of course.
 
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:XY/Aegislash:
Counter

Aegislash @ Leftovers
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 HP / 196 Def / 60 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Shadow Ball
- Substitute
- Toxic
- King's Shield

Aah, :Aegislash:, poor guy dropped from Ubers harder than my grades...
Despite the nerfs, Aegislash can always switch-in to Cloyster, take any +2 Hit unless Hydro Pump crit and OHKO back with Shadow Ball. The only thing you might need to worry about is that you die to +2 Pump with 3 Spikes up.

+2 4 SpA Life Orb Cloyster Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 203-239 (62.6 - 73.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Cloyster Icicle Spear (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 196+ Def Aegislash-Shield: 135-170 (41.6 - 52.4%) -- approx. 7.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. -1 0 HP / 0- SpD Cloyster: 363-427 (150.6 - 177.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
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