Gen 8 SS RU Discussion Thread

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This thread will serve as a general discussion thread but also the two posts under this will be a team bazaar and a "how-to" thing where you can hopefully find answers to what you want to figure out in SSRU. This means you may post teams for team bazaar and anything you want to explain. Example posts will be made ASAP.
 
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want to highlight some key trends of the metagame following rucl and rupl.

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| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Flygon             |   40 |  47.62% |  32.50% |
| 2    | Crobat             |   30 |  35.71% |  56.67% |
| 3    | Golisopod          |   20 |  23.81% |  40.00% |
| 4    | Metagross          |   19 |  22.62% |  63.16% |
| 5    | Togekiss           |   18 |  21.43% |  50.00% |
| 6    | Steelix            |   17 |  20.24% |  64.71% |
| 7    | Registeel          |   15 |  17.86% |  53.33% |
| 8    | Sigilyph           |   14 |  16.67% |  78.57% |
| 8    | Mimikyu            |   14 |  16.67% |  64.29% |
| 8    | Aerodactyl         |   14 |  16.67% |  50.00% |
| 8    | Guzzlord           |   14 |  16.67% |  42.86% |
| 12   | Nidoqueen          |   12 |  14.29% |  58.33% |
| 12   | Stakataka          |   12 |  14.29% |  33.33% |
| 14   | Vileplume          |   11 |  13.10% |  54.55% |
| 14   | Reuniclus          |   11 |  13.10% |  54.55% |
| 16   | Rhyperior          |   10 |  11.90% |  80.00% |
| 16   | Celebi             |   10 |  11.90% |  70.00% |
| 16   | Bronzong           |   10 |  11.90% |  40.00% |
| 19   | Heracross          |    9 |  10.71% |  77.78% |
| 19   | Incineroar         |    9 |  10.71% |  44.44% |
| 19   | Sharpedo           |    9 |  10.71% |  44.44% |
| 19   | Tsareena           |    9 |  10.71% |  44.44% |
| 19   | Toxicroak          |    9 |  10.71% |  22.22% |
| 24   | Xurkitree          |    8 |   9.52% |  62.50% |
| 24   | Roserade           |    8 |   9.52% |  50.00% |
| 24   | Gardevoir          |    8 |   9.52% |  37.50% |
| 27   | Raikou             |    7 |   8.33% |  57.14% |
| 27   | Dhelmise           |    7 |   8.33% |  42.86% |
| 27   | Milotic            |    7 |   8.33% |  42.86% |
| 27   | Pangoro            |    7 |   8.33% |  42.86% |
| 31   | Gastrodon          |    6 |   7.14% |  66.67% |
| 31   | Klefki             |    6 |   7.14% |  50.00% |
| 31   | Suicune            |    6 |   7.14% |  50.00% |
| 34   | Umbreon            |    5 |   5.95% |  80.00% |
| 34   | Rotom-Mow          |    5 |   5.95% |  40.00% |
| 34   | Lucario            |    5 |   5.95% |  20.00% |
| 37   | Heliolisk          |    4 |   4.76% |  75.00% |
| 37   | Weezing-Galar      |    4 |   4.76% |  50.00% |
| 37   | Xatu               |    4 |   4.76% |  25.00% |
| 40   | Talonflame         |    3 |   3.57% |  66.67% |
| 40   | Entei              |    3 |   3.57% |  66.67% |
| 40   | Salazzle           |    3 |   3.57% |  66.67% |
| 40   | Cresselia          |    3 |   3.57% |  66.67% |
| 40   | Polteageist        |    3 |   3.57% |  33.33% |
| 40   | Sneasel            |    3 |   3.57% |  33.33% |
| 40   | Goodra             |    3 |   3.57% |  33.33% |
| 40   | Tornadus           |    3 |   3.57% |   0.00% |
| 40   | Seismitoad         |    3 |   3.57% |   0.00% |
| 49   | Chandelure         |    2 |   2.38% | 100.00% |
| 49   | Starmie            |    2 |   2.38% | 100.00% |
| 49   | Marowak-Alola      |    2 |   2.38% |  50.00% |
| 49   | Barbaracle         |    2 |   2.38% |  50.00% |
| 49   | Bewear             |    2 |   2.38% |  50.00% |
| 49   | Drapion            |    2 |   2.38% |  50.00% |
| 49   | Toxtricity         |    2 |   2.38% |  50.00% |
| 49   | Noivern            |    2 |   2.38% |   0.00% |
| 49   | Jellicent          |    2 |   2.38% |   0.00% |
| 58   | Sandslash-Alola    |    1 |   1.19% | 100.00% |
| 58   | Abomasnow          |    1 |   1.19% | 100.00% |
| 58   | Wishiwashi         |    1 |   1.19% | 100.00% |
| 58   | Vikavolt           |    1 |   1.19% | 100.00% |
| 58   | Quagsire           |    1 |   1.19% | 100.00% |
| 58   | Cryogonal          |    1 |   1.19% | 100.00% |
| 58   | Ditto              |    1 |   1.19% | 100.00% |
| 58   | Porygon2           |    1 |   1.19% | 100.00% |
| 58   | Gigalith           |    1 |   1.19% | 100.00% |
| 58   | Ferroseed          |    1 |   1.19% | 100.00% |
| 58   | Vaporeon           |    1 |   1.19% |   0.00% |
| 58   | Indeedee           |    1 |   1.19% |   0.00% |
| 58   | Scrafty            |    1 |   1.19% |   0.00% |
| 58   | Dragalge           |    1 |   1.19% |   0.00% |
| 58   | Scyther            |    1 |   1.19% |   0.00% |
| 58   | Porygon-Z          |    1 |   1.19% |   0.00% |
| 58   | Regidrago          |    1 |   1.19% |   0.00% |
| 58   | Tyrantrum          |    1 |   1.19% |   0.00% |
| 58   | Dragonair          |    1 |   1.19% |   0.00% |
| 58   | Ninetales          |    1 |   1.19% |   0.00% |
| 58   | Shiftry            |    1 |   1.19% |   0.00% |
| 58   | Charizard          |    1 |   1.19% |   0.00% |
| 58   | Escavalier         |    1 |   1.19% |   0.00% |
| 58   | Qwilfish           |    1 |   1.19% |   0.00% |
| 58   | Politoed           |    1 |   1.19% |   0.00% |
| 58   | Tentacruel         |    1 |   1.19% |   0.00% |

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| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
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| 1    | Crobat             |   19 |  39.58% |  68.42% |
| 1    | Flygon             |   19 |  39.58% |  47.37% |
| 3    | Golisopod          |   15 |  31.25% |  60.00% |
| 4    | Steelix            |   14 |  29.17% |  64.29% |
| 4    | Guzzlord           |   14 |  29.17% |  57.14% |
| 6    | Togekiss           |   10 |  20.83% |  40.00% |
| 7    | Bronzong           |    8 |  16.67% |  75.00% |
| 7    | Reuniclus          |    8 |  16.67% |  50.00% |
| 7    | Aerodactyl         |    8 |  16.67% |  37.50% |
| 10   | Mimikyu            |    7 |  14.58% |  85.71% |
| 10   | Metagross          |    7 |  14.58% |  57.14% |
| 10   | Sigilyph           |    7 |  14.58% |  42.86% |
| 10   | Nidoqueen          |    7 |  14.58% |  14.29% |
| 14   | Suicune            |    6 |  12.50% |  33.33% |
| 14   | Seismitoad         |    6 |  12.50% |  16.67% |
| 14   | Vileplume          |    6 |  12.50% |  16.67% |
| 17   | Roserade           |    5 |  10.42% |  60.00% |
| 17   | Incineroar         |    5 |  10.42% |  60.00% |
| 17   | Milotic            |    5 |  10.42% |  60.00% |
| 17   | Registeel          |    5 |  10.42% |  40.00% |
| 17   | Gardevoir          |    5 |  10.42% |  20.00% |
| 22   | Rhyperior          |    4 |   8.33% |  75.00% |
| 22   | Entei              |    4 |   8.33% |  50.00% |
| 22   | Stakataka          |    4 |   8.33% |  25.00% |
| 22   | Heracross          |    4 |   8.33% |  25.00% |
| 22   | Umbreon            |    4 |   8.33% |  25.00% |
| 22   | Xurkitree          |    4 |   8.33% |  25.00% |
| 22   | Lucario            |    4 |   8.33% |  25.00% |
| 22   | Klefki             |    4 |   8.33% |  25.00% |
| 22   | Sharpedo           |    4 |   8.33% |  25.00% |
| 31   | Tentacruel         |    3 |   6.25% | 100.00% |
| 31   | Eldegoss           |    3 |   6.25% | 100.00% |
| 31   | Porygon-Z          |    3 |   6.25% |  66.67% |
| 31   | Gastrodon          |    3 |   6.25% |  66.67% |
| 31   | Barbaracle         |    3 |   6.25% |  66.67% |
| 31   | Weezing-Galar      |    3 |   6.25% |  33.33% |
| 31   | Xatu               |    3 |   6.25% |  33.33% |
| 38   | Toxtricity         |    2 |   4.17% | 100.00% |
| 38   | Dhelmise           |    2 |   4.17% |  50.00% |
| 38   | Cresselia          |    2 |   4.17% |  50.00% |
| 38   | Pangoro            |    2 |   4.17% |  50.00% |
| 38   | Drapion            |    2 |   4.17% |  50.00% |
| 38   | Rotom-Mow          |    2 |   4.17% |  50.00% |
| 38   | Celebi             |    2 |   4.17% |  50.00% |
| 38   | Tornadus           |    2 |   4.17% |  50.00% |
| 38   | Noivern            |    2 |   4.17% |   0.00% |
| 38   | Vanilluxe          |    2 |   4.17% |   0.00% |
| 38   | Ludicolo           |    2 |   4.17% |   0.00% |
| 49   | Ninetales          |    1 |   2.08% | 100.00% |
| 49   | Tsareena           |    1 |   2.08% | 100.00% |
| 49   | Toxicroak          |    1 |   2.08% | 100.00% |
| 49   | Talonflame         |    1 |   2.08% | 100.00% |
| 49   | Polteageist        |    1 |   2.08% | 100.00% |
| 49   | Bewear             |    1 |   2.08% | 100.00% |
| 49   | Marowak-Alola      |    1 |   2.08% | 100.00% |
| 49   | Heliolisk          |    1 |   2.08% | 100.00% |
| 49   | Arcanine           |    1 |   2.08% | 100.00% |
| 49   | Sneasel            |    1 |   2.08% | 100.00% |
| 49   | Gigalith           |    1 |   2.08% | 100.00% |
| 49   | Chandelure         |    1 |   2.08% | 100.00% |
| 49   | Starmie            |    1 |   2.08% | 100.00% |
| 49   | Froslass           |    1 |   2.08% | 100.00% |
| 49   | Raikou             |    1 |   2.08% |   0.00% |
| 49   | Snorlax            |    1 |   2.08% |   0.00% |
| 49   | Diancie            |    1 |   2.08% |   0.00% |
| 49   | Politoed           |    1 |   2.08% |   0.00% |
| 49   | Doublade           |    1 |   2.08% |   0.00% |
| 49   | Salazzle           |    1 |   2.08% |   0.00% |
| 49   | Jellicent          |    1 |   2.08% |   0.00% |
| 49   | Cloyster           |    1 |   2.08% |   0.00% |
| 49   | Mantine            |    1 |   2.08% |   0.00% |

:guzzlord:
Probably the most relevant change in usage, doubling in relative usage. I find this pretty surprising as my thinking was that its usage would continue to fall as a lot it is generally exploitable. I find its typing more awkward as it leads to very linear teambuilding and it is also super dependent on steelix. Last rupl, all of its victories were when it was paired with steelix except one game with nidoqueen. This trend largely continues into rucl, with guzzlord + flygon struggling in particular. I think this is because guzzlord has to be used on slower, more passive teams that steelix supports, rather than BOs that flygon more traditionally fits on (though steelix BO is more than viable). It is also difficult to work with as it is a special wall that is completely obliterated by xurk dgleam, making your pairing choice of ground all the more important. It also impacts bird choice as Guzzlord + Aero is a lot more awkward than guzzlord + bat/toge, with crobat in particular being its most common partner.

:steelix:
on the note of steelix, steelix continues its ascent up the usage ranks, getting 20% in rupl and then 30% in rucl. Steelix is such a fantastic enabler for creative teambuilding, being a very good role compression of the steel slot and the ground slot that is generally viable on most team structures. In particular, I like its fit with reuniclus as mmq counterplay and golisopod. In general, you are seeing a lot of steelix + pod + crobat/togekiss as this uber role compression core that lets the remaining slots be super flexible.

:eldegoss::tentacruel:
Tentacruel only had one use in rupl, while having 3 uses in rucl. Eldegoss had a similar trend, going from 0 uses in rupl to 3, in which both tentacruel and eldegoss won all of their games. I used two of the tentacruels and one of the eldegosses, but yet I can't really explain why these two pokemon are receiving more usage. My use of these spinners isnt exactly reflective of metagame developments of hazard stacks or something, rather i think the two are solid, albeit limited options within the metagame, which is what the usage stats indicate. Tentacruel in particular i find to be quite incredible, especially when paired with golisopod in a double water core, as pod is really just a perfect partner for it with spikes, ground resist, physdef walling, etc...

There are some other trends when u compare the two usage stats side by side, but rucl had half the games of rupl, so its difficult to determine what exactly is a trend or just variance. Celebi in particular found its usage gutted in rucl, but I dont find anything that fundamentally changed with it in regards to the metagame. Its not like there was an uptick in uturns lol. In general it was awesome to see new teams being built and enthusiasm for the tier. SSRU is a tier that rewards skilled creativity and I hope to see more of it in the future.
 
Gonna start the How to ____? idea seeing as I'm the host bop. And I guess to piggyback off of what oyster just said about Tentacruel I'll start with a post just detailing my perspective on how to build with tentacruel.

:tentacruel:
Tentacruel @ Black Sludge
Ability: Liquid Ooze
EVs: 248 HP / 72 Def / 44 SpA / 144 Spe
Timid Nature
- Scald
- Rapid Spin / Protect
- Knock Off
- Sludge Bomb

just gonna start off with the set i generally run.

the evs make it so tenta outspeeds rotom-mow, heracross and xurkitree which is generally amazing and id never go slower than that, could definitely make it faster though. the special attack evs mean it 2hkoes offensive incineroar with scald and then the defense evs are just to shore up the physical side. just made the spread after realizing i had no clue what the dex ev spread did so definitely open to changing it.

double stabs and knock are for sure needed for the niche ive used it for and then the last slot should always be rapid spin unless you've another remover. in that case i think protect is quite cool for scouting scarf flygon as well as racking up potential burn/poison damage and also getting more recovery. personally wanna try this.


tentacruel has a lot of positives that makes it worthwhile to consider when building teams. firstly it has access to the extremely coveted knock off, and combined with threat of poisons and burns it is honestly very annoying to switch into. frailer offensive pokemon take a surprising amount of damage from its stabs and not too many cleanly ohko it - nidoqueen does 70% max after getting life orb knocked - meaning it trades very well if necessary. bulkier pokemon generally rely on their leftovers or boots to accomplish what they need to, especially paired with a potential status condition. a poisoned milotic doesn't switch into aerodactyl anymore for instance.

tentacruel also has a speed tier which makes it able to outspeed xurkitree, togekiss, and heracross unlike other bulky waters, allowing for pairings with guzzlord and togekiss without having really difficult matchups into the aforementioned breakers. while outspeeding togekiss means it doesn't get flinched down. it can also remove hazards which allows for greater flexibility in the item slot of its teammates, i paired it with scarf togekiss in RUCL as an example. lastly, it has a niche interaction with vileplume in that it completely blocks vileplume's recovery (showcase).

however, there are also clear shortcomings. perhaps most evident is the combination of reliable recovery and being frail on the physical side. this means that tentacruel is a bulky water which cannot switch into physical fires like incineroar or entei, while also having to be more weary in interactions with crobat and steels mainly, and generally needing to have more care shown in when to trade its health. furthermore it is weak to ground meaning it does not deal with flygon, aerodactyl or metagross.

TL:DR - it isn't a physical wall in the way milotic or gastrodon are. on the other hand, it beats roserade and vileplume, outspeeds togekiss and xurkitree, and puts a lot of offensive pressure through knock off and stabs.

due to this when building with tentacruel i often find myself pairing it with golisopod or roost flygon. either of the latter form an exceptional core with tentacruel as they appreciate the matchup into togekiss and vileplume, the chip and status effects on bulky waters such as milotic while providing cover for tentacruel's shortcomings as a ground resist in golisopod's case (like oyster touched on) or as a incineroar/entei switch-in in flygon's case. flygon specifically is an extremely good pair as it doesn't need to fear effect spore from vileplume, and can pivot into tentacruel on bulky waters or togekiss.

i personally have not tested this, but i think tentacruel probably works very well with umbreon or sylveon for wish support, as you can then be more liberal in what you trade health with. from personal experience i've found tentacruel works really well on bulky offense with some staying power, as to take advantage of the chip it provides you want the game to get well into the middle game.

TL:DR - pair it with physical attackers who appreciate the matchup into vileplume and the chip it provides against opposing backbones (think milolix). pair it with pokemon that mitigate the fact it doesn't provide a physical wall like other bulky waters (think golisopod, roost flygon, togekiss). put it on a team which takes advantage of its chip potential (bulky offense/balance).

thanks for reading and hope it inspires you into testing a really fun guy to use, heres my favorite team with it:

:tentacruel::celebi::golisopod::flygon::togekiss::stakataka:
 
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ranked within tiers
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S1: :togekiss::flygon::crobat:
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A1::golisopod::celebi::reuniclus:
A2::guzzlord::mimikyu::bronzong::steelix::aerodactyl::roserade::raikou::toxicroak:
A3::sigilyph::pangoro::nidoqueen::milotic::heracross::incineroar::gastrodon::xurkitree::stakataka::vileplume:
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B1::klefki::seismitoad::heliolisk::sharpedo::registeel::talonflame::tsareena::gardevoir::weezing-galar::bewear::xatu:
B2::rhyperior::jellicent::metagross::tentacruel::porygon2::umbreon::dhelmise::starmie::damp-rock::noivern::golurk::lucario::suicune:
B3::entei::cresselia::rotom-mow::sneasel::marowak-alola::salazzle::porygon-z::drapion::toxtricity:
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C1::quagsire::doublade::vikavolt::icy-rock::chandelure::escavalier::tornadus::passimian:
C2::barbaracle::heat-rock::polteageist::cloyster:
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gonna discuss some of the most interesting points now, but please please tag me in ru discord or ru room for other things and ill edit this post!!

will start with my reasoning for my S ranks, togekiss i think is honestly best mon in meta now that thunder wave has really taken off, really punishes faster mons that have used to be able soft check it like sigilyph, taunt crobat, tentacruel, and aero. i was looking at S rank from the like oras cg way of ranking mons based on the definition:

Reserved for Pokemon who shape and define the RU metagame and are a clear-cut above the rest of the tier. These Pokemon are typically very powerful offensive threats that are difficult to prepare for and/or are phenomenal support and defensive threats that provide significant utility or defensive potential, respectively. Also the home of Pokemon who can easily perform multiple roles effectively, increasing their versatility and unpredictability. If the Pokemon in this rank have any flaws, those flaws are thoroughly mitigated by their substantial strengths.

this reasoning is why i have both flygon and crobat in S rank as well, as I think they barely have any flaws and can fit on every playstyle outside of cheeses in crobat's case. this is also why I have reuniclus NOT in s rank, because even though it can be very threatening, and is necessary to prepare for, i find it is more difficult to fit on teams and also has significant drawbacks in how it lets in some of our most dangerous breakers in the ghost and dark types, as well as pod.

just briefly will discuss our steel types as well, metagross to me is really quite difficult to fit as it is the steel type which does joint-worst into togekiss out of our defensive steel types paired with bronzong, but unlike bronzong it does not have the benefit of being a flygon/aero counter. furthermore i've recently found that i really enjoy the spikes and emergency checking of fighters that klefki provides offensive teams, as well as priority twave and magnet rise being unbelievable good.

thats it for now i believe, i'll probably be back soon with a team/thought dump post rupl & sscl.

oh also hope other ppl drop personal vr ranks to get some discussions going, i know im alone in some of my ssru opinions
 
Hello, RU. With the conclusion of RUPL and with RUWC coming in a few months, we have decided to update the viability rankings and sample teams for SS. If you have any nomination you'd like to make for the VR, then you may do so. And if you want to contribute a team to the samples that is representative of the RU metagame, you may do so. There are numerous very viable Pokemon and strategies that are absent from the samples. We are already getting ready to update the resources, so if you want to pitch in, do so soon. You may speak here or over our Discord.
 
I haven't played enough SS RU in these recent times to feel like I should make my own viability rankings, but there is this one Pokémon that I would see being ranked somewhere:

:pmd/centiskorch: UR -> C+
Centiskorch has probably not been used since the latest swsh days, but I think it definitely has a niche.
Its movepool is very interesting, Fire/Bug stabs hit the majority of the tier at least on neutral and its coverage option in Power Whip 2HKOes most Water types in the tier without even being in need of an Adamant nature (I will edit with calcs maybe). As it attracts stuff like Crobat, Togekiss, Noivern, Milotic and Suicune, having access to Knock Off threatens all of them. Well, maybe Milo and Cune dont suffer from losing their lefties as much as Flyings suffer from losing their boots, but it's still a win.
Obviously on the top of that, its Attack stat is awesome. While not hitting as hard as most of the offensive Pokémon in the tier (averaging 120 or more), 115 is higher than Flygon, Lucario or Aerodactyl's and is as high as Entei and Incineroar's. If you're playing it Adamant, it hits 361 which is HUGE as hell.
Its speed tier is surprisingly decent too. It ties with Modest Nidoqueen, outspeeds things like Toxtricity, Bewear, Metagross and Pangoro. It goes without saying that outspeed such things with this typing is much appreciated, and having a signature move that has a 100% crit rate can allow you to put a good pressure on most defensive cores.

Cons:
1 - It has a poor physical bulk. I wish we had one of the best fighting type punishers in a fast Bug-type + Flame Body, but instead we got something that is either getting killed on any neutral attack if you're naive enough to switch it in, or invalidated by whatever Knock Off that floats around.
2 - Even with its speed being decent, it doesnt compensate it being frail.
3 - Probably another thingthat I forgot about.

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:centiskorch: :pangoro: :bronzong: :rotom-mow: :seismitoad: :aerodactyl: -> This team is probably not good, but here's the main idea I had tried to exploit with Centiskorch when I built this team at the end of the 8th generation. I couldn't explain my building process in depth as this team is quite old, but the idea is basically weakening Waters with Knock Centi + mowtom, Eject Button Bronzong is cool to pivot on Crobat in order to bring DD Aero in (or on Gardevoir to bring Centiskorch/Pangoro in) and hopefully wreak havoc (it rarely happens but you should not stop believing), and there you have it. I think Tentacruel (and mace rain lol) was growing in popularity at that time and I just have no switch ins to it, hence the Seismitoad.

I might make a separate post on my rankings if I somewhat find stuff to discuss, but it feels great to see just a few people still being interested in developing the tier
 
The dashed lines are meant to show notable jumps
S Rank:Crobat::Flygon::Reuniclus:
A+ Rank :Heracross::Vileplume::Metagross::Registeel::Mimikyu::Togekiss::Celebi:
A Rank:Milotic::Nidoqueen::Xurkitree::Steelix::Pangoro::Lucario::Golisopod::Raikou:
A- Rank :Incineroar::Sigilyph::Rotom-Mow::Sharpedo::Roserade::Guzzlord::Gastrodon::Suicune::Aerodactyl:
B+ Rank :Bewear::Rhyperior::Weezing-galar::Tornadus::Stakataka::Umbreon::Entei::Bronzong::Toxicroak::Heliolisk::Klefki::Jellicent::Gardevoir::Salazzle::DHelmise::Tsareena::Heat rock:(:Ninetales::Shiftry:):Damp Rock:(:Politoed::Kingdra:):Seismitoad:
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B Rank:Sneasel::Starmie::Vaporeon::Golurk::Tyrantrum::Regidrago: :Toxtricity::Polteageist::barbaracle::Chandelure::Noivern: :Icy Rock:(:Abomasnow::Arctovish:)
B- Rank :Escavalier::Goodra::Talonflame::Doublade::Drapion::Omastar: :Xatu::Vanilluxe::Marowak-alola::Snorlax::Zoroark::passimian::Drednaw:
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C+ Rank ::Decidueye::Copperajah::Charizard::Grimmsnarl::Tentacruel::Diancie::Kabutops::Sandslash-alola::Ludicolo::Aurorus::indeedee::Cloyster::Indeedee-F::Cresselia::Quagsire::Gigalith::Linoone::Eldegoss::Porygon-z::porygon2::glastrier::vikavolt: :centiskorch::sylveon::Dragalge::scrafty::Articuno::sirfetchd: :gourgeist::Drampa::gallade::lycanroc::terrain-extender: (:raichu-alola: :pincurchin:):archeops::Slurpuff:
C Rank :Shedinja::Sableye: :haunter: :audino: :blastoise::thwackey:
C- Rank :Cryogonal: :froslass::araquanid::ribombee::exeggutor-alola::machamp::druddigon:

I still support the idea of no S rank as I did last time. Now, since the VR does actually have an S rank, I do think I would vote for Flygon, Crobat, and Reuniclus to be S rank, otherwise I would have put them in A+ and removed some other things from A+.

Now my criteria for ranking here is two things: is this worth using and conducive to succeeding. So, while a Pokemon might technically have something, it may not really be conducive to succeeding, and while one might fit on fewer teams it may be a very effective strategy conducive to success.

:crobat: :flygon: :reuniclus: It's no surprise to anyone that plays SS that Crobat and Flygon are in S. They can fit on any team and are always good choices. Now, Reuniclus does not fit on as many teams but it can pick and choose its counterplay and in my opinion is highly conducive to succeeding given how difficult it is to answer. One drawback may be inconsistency, you do need to hit Focus Blast generally to get past common counterplay but I feel like Reuniclus can be S.

:heracross: Heracross should stay A+ because it is such a consistently good wallbreaker. If you have a Heracross, there is hardly any matchup where it will not be useful.

:metagross: I do not agree with others on ranking Metagross so low. Cosmic Power + Body Press still demands a lot of respect and it's a very versatile Pokemon asides that. I think A rank would also be reasonable but putting it in B ranks is wild... It is more vulnerable to Togekiss is a sense but that is not something that cannot be dealt with. Raikou is very good, Rhyperior is a good partner.

Many things I only moved them slightly on the VR but I will mention what I wish.
:arctovish: :abomasnow: :vanilluxe:
Hail is pretty good. Arctovish is really threatening and Abomasnow, my preferred Hail setter, is actually a big threat in of itself versus many teams. Vanilluxe is also an acceptable Hail setter; it's faster and has Taunt.
:aerodactyl: I don't really like Aerodactyl as much with Thunder Wave Togekiss returning as a big part of its niche is switching into Togekiss. Now, you can play around this because Togekiss is not going to have Thunder Wave and Nasty Plot and a coverage move, but it still hurts because you can't just use Aerodactyl and rely on it as the Togekiss answer like you could in the past.

:Diancie: Diancie fell off ever since Obstagoon was banned and it just did not really make a comeback. I don't think you get much out of using it over any specially defensive fats like Registeel and Stakataka and I don't think it's worth using all that much. And you literally need to run Toxic on it or Togekiss will beat you because it can Roost stall the meager 8 Diamond Storms.

:ferroseed: I don't personally believe anything should be unranked asides Ferroseed, which I do not see as worth using.

Unranked Pokemon I ranked.

:Shedinja: I still hold for the same reasons as last time that Shedinja should be ranked

:Centiskorch: Good coverage, checks Reun, Knock Off, Fire immunity for Entei.

:Haunter: I don't expect him to get ranked soon unless it's used in tournament but I tried Specs Haunter and it seems viable. It has a good speed tier, faster than Togekiss, Lucario, Xurkitree and others whilst having Dazzling Gleam for Guzzlord unlike Chandelure.

:Sylveon: I still hold that Sylveon should not have been unranked. It still has its niche as a Fighting and Dark resist Wish passer, and it doesn't let Electrics in like Togekiss and it can check Dragon Dance Flygon better than Togekiss giving a clean guaranteed OHKO with Hyper Voice.

:gallade: :sirfetchd: These two Fighting-types have qualities which may make them considerable. 1: they have better speed tiers than other Fighting-types, SirFetch'd has priority with First Impression and Brave Bird for Vileplume. Gallade has Trick and can get past Galarian Weezing and Vileplume more easily than other Fighting types

:Vikavolt: Decent defensive utility, pretty strong, can potentially use Sticky Webs.

:glastrier: Swords Dance Substitute Leftovers with a lot of speed investment can potentially be very potent against some teams

:gourgeist: some of the faster Gourgeist forms have a good speed tier, Trick, and strong choice band Poltergeist. Gourgeist small is even faster than Mimikyu and can Shadow Sneak it!

:ribombee: :araquanid: Webs are viable but definitely inconsistent in SS given that the best Pokemon are Webs immune

:indeedee-f:It has Healing Wish over the Male version.

:exeggutor-alola: :machamp: I do think Trick Room is viable, and Machamp makes more sense on Trick Room than other Fighters

:druddigon: You can use it as a Stealth Rock lead on HO. It has Mold Breaker Stealth Rock, which works against Xatu. Admittedly, it's not that useful but nor are the other leads that good. It has Taunt, Dragon Tail, and Glare too

Edit: :pincurchin: :raichu-alola: I forgot about Electric Terrain and some other stuff. These are viable strategies too.

:Thwackey: Thwackey can enable strategies like Grassy Seed Calm Mind Reuniclus and Terrain Pulse Pokemon.

:Blastoise: Can work especially with terrain pulse and Thwackey but is not particularly good.

:archeops: fine lead, has endeavor and rocks
 
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I liked Wally's post so I'm gonna comment on it

Things I agree with
:centiskorch: I already explained
:blastoise: I thought this guy was ranked for like forever. Honestly though, I think his only niche is Shell Smash, as I find it hard to justify playing it as a bulky spinning water. I don't think it will get played anymore, but if some day anyone comes up with a questionable Safeguard / Misty Terrain HO type of team...
:vikavolt: reasons Wally mentioned + there is this now sort of famous team from BluBirD that is getting played pretty much every twice a year in RU tournaments, not sure if it's that big of an argument to bring Vikavolt up but at least we do have proof that it's being used wisely
:indeedee-f: I think both are fine. Again, hard to justify in the Guzzlord / Incineroar / Registeel tier, but time taught me that every imaginable thing can be played in SS RU (including terrains), so if we could find a scarf + healing wish niche to this, it can make its way up here.
:sirfetchd: I don't know if it's relevant, but since it is actually tiered in RU (I mean, it's NUBL, but you got me), I assume we're gonna have to rank it anyway?
:gallade: I think you just can't miss with any Fighting type, its speed tier isn't that good compared to the others and not resisting Knock Off sucks, but I think a choice scarf set or whatever else you wanna run can be nice.

Things I don't agree with
:druddigon: Honestly, I can see its niche as a lead, but at the same time I don't see it. I think it's just too slow and not solid enough defensively to claim a lead niche
:haunter: Fast for SS RU, I'll give him that, but it dies too fast as well. It's just gonna come once, try to make a surprise effect (which probably won't work if the opponent knows anything about the Registeel tier) and die afterwards, either revenge killed by 0 atk Crobat or any Dark move. Not worth it.
:araquanid: If you want a Webs setter, might as well just play Ribombee imo. I don't think Webs are any viable anyway so I wouldnt agree with neither of the users
:archeops: Fast, rocker, Endeavor, sounds good. The problem I have is that uh, is anyone really ever gonna consider it as their HO lead? I don't think HO is really good atm anyway, but even there I think you might as well just play Aerodactyl. You lose Endeavor, that's true, but Aero does the same thing besides that while also outspeeding Crobat and every hazard control in the tier bar Scarf Flygon, and provides more utility. I get that this isnt really what we want from a lead, but you can p much do the same thing that Archeops does without dying on turn 1 after doing nothing.

Mixed feelings
:shedinja: I know for a fact that there are actual shed stalls out here, but I'm not sure what to think about this guy. It does counter a lot of offensive things, but just his single HP should make it die to any Toxic user at this point. It's niche, but I wonder if not just too niche even for stall teams, which aren't as popular now I feel like.
:sylveon: I used to play it for a while, mostly since I think the combo Cute Charm + Moonblast is funny, but I don't know if it's worth being ranked again. The comparison with Togekiss is automatic, but to me Togekiss has every remaining quality that Sylveon lacks, be them a way to hit Steel types properly (while also burning them for the lucky few) and more importantly, Roost. Since it mostly relies on the passive recovery of Leftovers, Sylveon probably seems virtually dead whenever it gets knocked off, unless you're not playing against a Spikes stack structure. The problem with it not being able to afford playing stuff like Mystical Fire (unless specs but well, very abusable) is that it basically just makes it become a free Metagross fodder, whereas you wouldn't feel as safe hard switching gross into Togekiss.
I think this Pokémon can find a niche, but it'll always get outclassed by many things that benefit from stuff that it lacks.
:glastrier: I'm a fan of Glastrier, this thing looks so cool and has a lot of interesting coverage options, but I always felt like it was hard to build around it, its speed doesnt help its case and makes it quite easy to play around, since you're always gonna have to get some predictions right if you don't wanna be forced out or killed on turn 5 lmao
:gourgeist: :pincurchin: :thwackey: :raichu-alola: No opinion on this. I haven't seen a single Gourgeist in SS RU and I dont like terrains even though you can proooobably justify stuff with Electric terrain + Ring Target Klefki, but I clearly never tried any of those so I don't know.
 
S1: :reuniclus::togekiss:
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A1: :flygon::crobat::aerodactyl:
A2: :golisopod::mimikyu::steelix::registeel::nidoqueen:
A3: :pangoro::celebi::raikou::vileplume::incineroar::sigilyph::heracross:
A4: :bronzong::metagross::umbreon::suicune::guzzlord::roserade::klefki::rhyperior::xatu:
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B1: :entei::xurkitree::sharpedo::lucario::seismitoad::toxicroak::stakataka::porygon-z:
B2: :gardevoir::gastrodon::jellicent::milotic::gigalith::weezing-galar::toxtricity::cresselia::noivern::dhelmise::goodra::porygon2::doublade:
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C1: :sneasel::tsareena::tentacruel::regidrago::polteageist::bewear::tornadus::rotom-mow::salazzle::escavalier::barbaracle::talonflame:
C2: :drapion::vikavolt::froslass::cloyster::golurk::eldegoss::politoed::ditto::heliolisk::starmie::vaporeon:

These rankings reflect what I believe to be viable and worth using in the tier. Specifically, what has actually been used in top level ssru play over the past three or so years in the post cg ssru metagame. This means I lack the inclusion of pokemon like shedninja or ludicolo, as these pokemon have never had considerable usage within that timeframe. Other pokemon, like centiskorch, drampa, and tornadus have seen some use, but only on a one or two teams. In these situations, I make the personal choice to include or exclude them. What factors into this decision is replicability, (can I or other players replicate the success a pokemon has on one structure to other structures), and upside (does this pokemon enable a certain structure through its unique traits). For centiskorch and drampa, I said no because they have only seen sparse use on a select few teams, none of which are particularly prominent today. For tornadus, I did decide to include it as I think there are a variety of structures (HO, rain) where it is capable of contributing to success and it has this upside of being a really direct flying type that can both use its speed and movepool to push progress.

The main differences from my last VR is a jump in the pangoro rankings, as I believe this to be a development within the tier and pushing rhyperior and xatu firmly in the A ranks, which i think given what they both respectively enable, warrants the jump. I also have togekiss in S rank now, but this is more to do with my personal perception of the pokemon changing rather than a specific metagame development. More specifically, I value its fairy typing more as a dark resist, in addition to its absurd bulk, that lets it linger on the field in situations where it really shouldnt.

tagging players to post their vr or brief thoughts: (also expect a dm on discord for the ssru vr sheet if requested by the end of the week)
Meru Thiago Nunes OranBerryBlissey10 Runo The Strap Stareal Metallica126
 
S :Flygon: :Togekiss:
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A+ :Crobat: :Mimikyu: :Nidoqueen: :Raikou: :Reuniclus: :Registeel:

A :Aerodactyl: :Celebi: :Golisopod: :Guzzlord: :Heracross: :Incineroar: :Metagross: :Sharpedo: :Sigilyph: :Stakataka: :Toxicroak: :Vileplume: :Xurkitree:

A- :Bewear: :Gardevoir: :Klefki::Lucario::Rhyperior: :Roserade: :Steelix: :Pangoro: :Suicune: :Tsareena:

B+ :Bronzong: :Entei: :Dhelmise: :Gastrodon-East: :Heliolisk: :Jellicent: :Milotic: :Damp Rock: (:Kingdra: :Politoed:) :Seismitoad: :Starmie: :Weezing-Galar: :Umbreon:
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B :Chandelure: :Escavalier: :Golurk: :Polteageist: :Porygon2: :Porygon-Z: :Rotom-Mow: :sneasel: :Talonflame: :Tentacruel: :Tornadus: :Tyrantrum: :Xatu:

B- :Barbaracle: :Cresselia: :Froslass: :Decidueye: :Diancie: :Doublade: :Gigalith: :Goodra: :Grimmsnarl: :Noivern: :Regidrago: :Salazzle: :Silvally-Ghost: :Heat Rock: (:Charizard: :Ninetales: :Shiftry:) :Toxtricity: :Vaporeon: :Vikavolt:

C+ :Articuno-Galar: :Cloyster: :Ditto: :Drapion: :Eldegoss: :Icy Rock: (:Abomasnow: :Sandslash-Alola:) :Indeedee: :Lycanroc: :Marowak-Alola: :Omastar: :Scrafty: :Silvally-Ground: :Snorlax: :Vanilluxe: :Zoroark:
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C :Arcanine: :Arctovish: :Articuno: :Audino: :Aurorus: :Drednaw: :Ferroseed: :Palossand: :Passimian: :Quagsire: :Sableye: :Sandslash: :Scyther: :Slurpuff:
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C- :Archeops: :Blastoise: :Centiskorch: :Copperajah: :Dragalge: :Drampa: :Terrain Extender::Electric Seed: (:Pincurchin: :Raichu-Alola: :Sceptile:) :Hitmonlee: :Gallade: :Glastrier: :Indeedee-F: :Kabutops: :Linoone: :Ludicolo: :Machamp: :Mantine: :Shedinja::Silvally-Electric:

Raikou is top 5 in the tier; anything is viable, cheese rains supreme. SS RU.
 
S: :Togekiss:
S- :Flygon::Crobat:
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A+: :Reuniclus::Golisopod::Guzzlord::Steelix::Metagross::Celebi::Bronzong:
A: :Xurkitree::Pangoro::Nidoqueen::Aerodactyl::Rhyperior::Raikou::Mimikyu::Gastrodon::Milotic::Registeel:
A- :Roserade::Incineroar::Suicune::Klefki::Tsareena::Sigilyph::Heracross::Cresselia::Lucario::Vileplume:
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B: :Bewear::Chandelure::Dhelmise::Diancie::Eldegoss::Entei::Gardevoir::Gigalith::Golurk::Heliolisk::Jellicent::Marowak-Alola::Noivern::Porygon-z::Rotom-Mow::Salazzle::Seismitoad::Sharpedo::Snorlax::Stakataka::Starmie::Talonflame::Tentacruel::Toxicroak::Toxtricity::Umbreon::Vaporeon::Vikavolt::Weezing-Galar::Xatu::Damp Rock::Heat Rock:
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C: :Aurorus::Audino::Barbaracle::Centiskorch::Cloyster::Doublade::Drapion::Escavalier::Froslass::Goodra::Mantine::Ninetales::Polteageist::Porygon2::Quagsire::Sneasel::Tornadus::Virizion::Icy Rock:

S/A Ranks are ordered, B/C are not. Didn't rank individual weather guys unless I thought they could work outside of it.

I like GoldCat's assertion on the tier sans Raikou

I find Togekiss to be an unhealthy part of the tier. Really cheap and annoying haxer. Puts down a lot of Grasses and Grounds that otherwise would've helped with the "Electrics are stupid" issue. Obviously not hard to find Togekiss checks, but Togekiss has such a diverse kit to deal with whatever it wants and that's before factoring ParaFlinch. Flamethrower, Aura Sphere, Dazzling Gleam, Grass Knot, and Trick are all moves you gotta be careful about and implies requiring multiple avenues for dealing with Togekiss to have security. Just really easy for it to change the tide of a game.
 
I was gone for about two years but I have come back (at least for a time) and I did play RUGL this year. I missed RUPL, however I did play RUGL and I actually got a pretty good record in this tournament of 6-2 and I shall share the teams I used in the tournament as well as some other things I thought about using but did not get to. As a heads up, I may change a paste from what I actually used in the tournament if I feel that it's better, like in week 2 I actually used Grass Knot Bronzong but I feel that Earthquake is better so that's what I'm going to share and I'll mention what I remember.

Week One
:Reuniclus: :grimmsnarl: :Crobat: :milotic: :nidoqueen: :Registeel:
Week one against pkz, my opponent decided to hit me with a right now and we played before Monday even started. I was thinking they'd use some offensive team given they're new and they wanted to play immediately. I decided to go ahead with a balance team with Grimmsnarl. Grimmsnarl with its strong Sucker Punch is a pretty good anti offense option, and Grimmsnarl is probably underexplored in SS in general. My set was Black Glasses with Darkest Lariat, Sucker Punch, Low Kick, and Thunder Wave. I ended up matching against offense and had a good matchup and was able to win easily given that and my opponent's lack of experience with the tier. He actually did not check for Choice Scarf Nidoqueen turn one and got his Sharpedo OHKOd. At the time, I did not realize Earth Power was actually a roll, Sludge Wave KOd guranteed though. The team is alright although lacking in offensive power versus really fat teams but between Reuniclus and Grimmsnarl the team has good tools for the SS metagame in general. I decided to use Nidoqueen as a Scarfer on this build over the typical Scarf Flygon due to it being able to switch into Xurkitree better. The team is rounded out with Milotic, Registeel, and Crobat to provide utility and defensive stability to the team.

Week Two
:Starmie: :indeedee: :mimikyu: :bronzong: :flygon: :hitmonlee:
Week two I decided to use a more experimental team. Psychic Terrain with Expanding Force Starmie and Unburden Hitmonlee. I tested the team and thought it was good and so I decided to use it. Hitmonlee is potentially very potent in SS, however, it cannot do anything against Vileplume. As for Starmie, Expanding Force Starmie is very difficult to switch into. This Starmie also has Life Orb Rapid Spin so it could potentially sweep although this would be rare. Meteor Beam Bronzong was something I was experimenting with after my hiatus ended. It can surprise typical switch ins like Xatu and Incineroar and do significant damage. In the game I was using Grass Knot and a lot of speed, although I think Earthquake is better and it doesn't need to be that fast. Lastly, Mimikyu and Dragon Dance Flygon are just good HO Pokemon. As for the game, it was very close and I ended up getting the rolls I needed with Mimikyu to win and my opponent seemed to have a weird Vileplume set with no Sludge Bomb.

Week Three
:Celebi: :heracross: :Milotic: :crobat: :registeel: :flygon:
Against the Lyra I decided to just use a solid basic team. You have pivots to bring in Flame Orb Heracross to wallbreak and you have a solid defensive core with Milotic, Registeel, Crobat, and Celebi. Flygon is the scarfer, Crobat provides Defog, very basic SS build. In game, I was using Flip Turn Milotic, although I changed it in the paste to Haze because I realized that Cosmic Power Metagross 6-0s the team. Now, you could keep Flip Turn but the team already has two pivots. I personally like to make sure that I will not lose to Suicune, so I decided to use Celebi. Now, with Flip Turn Milotic, that makes more sense because that Milotic will lose to Suicune, although Nasty Plot Celebi is still a valuable Electric check for the team. Heracross is Facade + Stone Edge because I was not concerned about Jellicent and Doublade, though you could easily change one of those two moves to Knock Off. I had Flygon as Adamant in the game, although this does risk being slower than Arctovish in Hail so it's Jolly in the paste. As for the game itself, my opponent's team had Fighting resist Golisopod which is arguably pretty bad in SS. They might have actually been able to win had they decided to just attack the Celebi with boosted Lucario on turn seventeen. They did not and ended up losing.

Week Four
:abomasnow: :arctovish: :doublade: :raikou: :togekiss: :flygon:
Against LBN I decided to use my old Hail team that I built with Mace. Hail is actually pretty good in SS, especially if you run into frailer teams that use Golisopod instead of another bulky Water-type. Abomasnow in of itself is actually hard for most teams in SS to switch into and in my opinion it is the best Hail setter due to it being the best against Water-types, which is big for Hail. Now, this team actually does not have any Stealth Rock user. This isn't really an issue in SS where Stealth Rock is only marginally useful in many games because the best Pokemon resist the move or wear Boots, so you need Rocks and Knock Off together to really ensure they'll be effective. Also, Hail damage acts as a form of chip in lieu of entry hazards. Flygon serves as a Defogger and pivot for the team. Togekiss is maximum Special Attack here to try and ensure it does the most damage on this more offensive build. I was not as concerned with using Nasty Plot Togekiss on such a build so, it's Grass Knot to hit Rhyperior which was somewhat popular back when I made the team. Raikou is an especially fun Pokemon on Hail because it gets an Ice-type Weather Ball to OHKO Flygon. Doublade was something that Mace recommended me to use and I really liked the pick. It's a Steel that is not weak to Fighting (it's still weak to Pangoro) and it has an offensive presence and priority Shadow Sneak for Polteageist. Toxic hits bulky Water checks to Arctovish. The Hail team was pretty good in this matchup against LBN, though Suicune was a huge looming threat, and it was Sleep Talk which is unusual in SS given that running Ice Beam on Suicune is so important in this tier.

Week Five
:crobat: :umbreon: :weezing-galar: :suicune: :crobat: :metagross:
Week 5 versus Hoops I was told we really needed to win so I decided to bring out the old Punny team, I still don't actually know who made it but Punny used it at some point. This team is bulky and has two strong win conditions in Cosmic Power Metagross and Calm Mind Suicune. Umbreon, Weezing-Galar, and Crobat cover a large amount of threats in the metagame. Specially defensive Nidoqueen serves as a necessary Ground-type and importantly it is the best Ground-type against Xurkitree. My opponent, however, brought a very bulky team himself. I ended up winning as my Corrosive Gas Galarian Weezing forced his team to lose items where as I was able to keep using the same Rest Galarian Weezing to absorb Knock Off, although my opponent probably could have played better.

Week Six
:Archeops: :celebi: :polteageist: :regidrago: :flygon: :barbaracle:
Against MachJacob I was very much intent on using Regidrago. Regidrago is an underrated guy in SS, he is very powerful and he beats the most common Fairy-type in the tier with Thunder Fang. Personally, the way I prefer to use is to use it alongside Dragon Dance Flygon, since Flygon is a better Pokemon than Regidrago, it would make less sense to use Regidrago by itself when it could be a Flygon which is a more consistent Pokemon. My Regidrago has 248 Defense EVs to survive Steelix Earthquake with its Substitute. It also allows Regidrago to tank an Outrage from Choice Scarf Flygon and just makes it way physically bulkier in general. I already had a Regidrago team in my builder that I quickly built but did not use it much. However, this team had Aerodactyl as the lead. In my opinion, lead Aerodactyl with Rock Tomb, is garbage in SS. So, I decided to use Archeops which has Endeavor. Thanks to Endeavor, Archeops is able to be much more of a threat than any leads in the tier. Many SS teams do not run any Ghost-type and many of the tier's Ghost-types do not like tagging Head Smash either way. Polteageist + Celebi is a very potent core. You have Celebi to weaken the Dark-types in order for Polteageist to pull off a sweep. In game, I ran Coba Berry Dazzling Gleam Celebi, although I think Aura Sphere is more consistent so I changed it to that in the paste and I made Coba Berry Colbur Berry. Dazzling Gleam was meant to snipe Guzzlord, but it's worse against Incineroar which I ended up facing. Barbacle is a strong Shell Smasher that can take advantage of non-Taunt Crobat. I chose to go with Protect on this team for Golisopod but running Grass Knot for Seismitoad and Gastrodon is also good. As for the game, my opponent tried to make a good play by going to Flygon on Celebi's Aura Sphere, but I didn't have Aura Sphere so it did not work.

Week Seven
:snorlax: :escavalier: :vaporeon: :weezing-galar: :raikou: :nidoqueen:
This ended up being my first loss, although we were already guaranteed playoffs at this point. I ended up using a bulky Snorlax team with Escavalier. Escavalier is a more niche pick in SS but it has great qualities like countering Celebi, Reuniclus, and Roserade. That said, in this game I ran into a very specific Reuniclus that the slow not maximum attack Escavalier struggled to deal with. The team relies on Escavalier to make progress, and Snorlax is a potent threat which flies under the radar. It's Darkest Lariat on this team for Cosmic Power Metagross. I was not expecting any sun team so I decided to go with Immunity Snorlax however Vaporeon will probably not be enough against sun teams by itself and even if it was immunity Shiftry is a huge threat to the team. Vaporeon, Nidoqueen, and Galarian Weezing form a bulky defensive core. Now this team, I don't think it's great but it can work in certain matchups.

Semi Finals
:roserade: :flygon: :entei: :suicune: :mimikyu: :lycanroc:
Now, I was against LBN again. What I noticed is that they liked bulkier teams in general and that they liked Guzzlord. I was seriously intending to use Sun against them with Low Kick Shiftry, which probably would have been better than what I actually ended up bringing. I ended up bringing a Hyper Offense team with Substitute Reversal Entei and Calm Mind Suicune, Reversal did not end up getting used in the game, nor did Liechi Berry activate so the tech was hidden the whole game. This tech was meant to snipe Guzzlord and sweep. Life Orb Roserade on the team is meant to snipe Crobat, and it even has a decent chance to OHKO a maximum HP Crobat. Shadow Ball I decided to use here because of LBN using Steel-types that are weak to Ghost. As for the game itself, I ended up making a play that would normally win me the game. However, LBN was running an unusually bulky Crobat which was able to survive the +4 Shadow Sneak from the range it was at. Had I been paying more attention, I may have been able to tell it was a bulky Crobat but it caught me off guard and I ended up losing.

Other things I did not end up using.
:ninetales: :rhyperior: :entei: :shiftry: :xatu: :bronzong:
I really wanted to use sun during the tournament, however I did not end up doing so. Last minute I decided to use what I thought would be better against LBN, so I did not end up using any Sun team in RUGL. Had we won semi finals and gone onto finals, I think I would have used Sun. Personally, I think Sun is very good in SS, better than rain but I did not come around to using it. Meteor Beam Weather Ball Bronzong also tends to surprise people and is pretty funny.

:crobat: :haunter: :gastrodon: :Eldegoss: :passimian: :stakataka:
:Haunter: :talonflame: :lucario: :gastrodon: :raikou: :registeel:
Haunter actually has a pretty good speed tier for SS and it has a high special attack stat on top of being immune to Extreme Speed from Lucario so it can revenge kill it. In my opinion, it's viable, though not great.
:salazzle: :sylveon: :dhelmise: :steelix: :milotic::tornadus:
I made various versions of the same build though I only linked the Tornadus one here. I also made one with Choice Specs Noivern and another with Sneasel instead of Tornadus. Goldcat pointed out the team loses to Guzzlord and I did not end up using it.

:raikou: :glastrier: :starmie: :golisopod: :flygon: :registeel:
Substitute Glastrier can actually be very potent against slow Vileplume Guzzlord teams. Glastrier is nearly maximum speed in order to get the jump on other slow Pokemon. Glastrier is bulky enough to take Milotic's Scald with its Substitute and Ice + Ground coverage is very good. This team isn't really prepared to deal with weather teams though, so be aware of that.

:entei: :dragalge: :starmie: :gardevoir: :flygon: :bronzong:
I ended up building a few teams with Toxic Spikes + Calm Mind Entei but I ended up coming to the conclusion that this set and strategy was not very consistent so I did not use it. Here's one of them.

:quagsire: :articuno: :shedinja: :stakataka: :umbreon: :weezing-galar:
I also wanted to use stall but stall is not great in SS and I did not end up using any.
 
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Hello! We have finally come out with the update for SS resources. We have updated the Viability Rankings and Sample teams for SS after a few years of having no update since 2023. I added reasoning for all of the new additions to the VR as well as a few other Pokemon that the council all or almost all agreed upon that they should rise or fall in ranking. Most Pokemon only moved a rank with differing opinions and votes, so it's not worth providing reasoning for everything. And as an example for transparency, most of the council actually voted for Umbreon and Milotic to be the same rank they were but that was not sufficient to keep them where they were ranked. We also voted on some other things that people thought they ought to be ranked based on what was posted in the discussion thread like Raichu-Alola and Pincurchin but they did not make the cut. I have attached a pdf if anyone wants to see what exactly the council voted.

As for samples, we removed the Talonflame and Escavalier teams but added several new ones. You can see them here as well as the updated VR

Note: We tried a new VR format and it's currently a bit messed up at the moment, it will hopefully be fixed later but the rankings are all correct it just looks weird.
:togekiss: A+ to S-
:aerodactyl: A- to A
:steelix: A- to A
:roserade: B+ to A-
:entei: B to B+
:talonflame: B- to B
:Xatu: B- to B+
The entire council save one vote thought that Xatu deserves to be ranked higher. If you match Xatu against a typical balance team that uses Steelix or Registeel as the rocker, it's a pretty good look. Xatu beats the most common Stealth Rock users and provides good utility to its team. With Dazzling Gleam, some teams that rely on Pangoro to wallbreak may struggle against Xatu too. Overall, a solid pick that deserved to rise.
:cresselia: C+ to B-
:Doublade: C+ to B-
:gigalith: C+ to B-
:marowak-alola: C+ to B
The whole council except one vote thought that Alolan Marowak should rise. It has seen good tournament usage lately and is of course a very strong wallbreaker with Thick Club its STABs and Low Kick for Guzzlord.
:eldegoss: C to C+
:articuno: C- to C
:slurpuff: C- to C
:reuniclus: S to S-
:heracross: A+ to A
:Metagross: A+ to A
:registeel: A+ to A
:Incineroar: A to A-
:lucario: A to A-
:milotic: A to A-
:gardevoir: A- to B+
:tsareena: A- to B+
:umbreon: A- to B+
:bewear: B+ to B
:heliolisk: B+ to B
:jellicent: B+ to B
:salazzle: B+ to B
:starmie: B+ to B
:chandelure: B to B-
:diancie: B to C+
The entire council sees that Diancie should be ranked lower. Diancie has very stiff competition from other specially defensive Pokemon and Rock-types like Registeel, Stakataka, and Rhyperior which are all superior to it. It can still potentially be a huge threat to frailer offensive teams with Diamond Storm + Body Press, however lowering Diancie in ranking is apt.
:Escavalier: B to B-
:Golurk: B to B-
:polteageist: B to B-
:tyrantrum: B to C+
:cloyster: B- to C+
:decidueye: B- to C+
:drapion: B- to C+
:indeedee: B- to C+
The whole council felt that Indeedee Male should be ranked lower. It's just not popular and sees hardly any usage while also competing with Gardevoir.
:kingdra: B- to C+
:passimian: B- to C+
:charizard: C+ to C
:Drampa: C+ to C-
:ditto: C+ to C
:grimmsnarl: C+ to C
:ludicolo: C+ to C
:omastar: C+ to C
:shiftry: C+ to C
:vanilluxe: C+ to C
:audino: C to C-
:copperajah: C to C-
:drednaw: C to C-
:sableye: C to C-
:centiskorch: Unranked to C
Centiskorch with its Bug-typing and diverse coverage movepool is a decent pick in RU. Between its STABs, Knock Off, and Power Whip it is not easy to switch into and being a Bug-type is always nice against Reuniclus. It can run Flash Fire to help with Choice Band Entei or Flame Body to potentially ruin Pokemon that hit it with contact moves. It can even set up with Coil to make itself a bigger threat.
:vikavolt: UR to B-
Vikavolt is extremely powerful and has a nice defensive profile for the RU tier. It can switch into Ground and Steel attacks from the likes of Metagross and Flygon. It can help pivot into Raikou and switch out with Volt Switch. Certain teams lacking Steelix or Nidoqueen may also struggle to switch in against Vikavolt as its STABs are extremely powerful and seriously threaten numerous Pokemon in the tier like Umbreon, Reuniclus, Crobat, and Flygon. Overall, it's a niche pick that can provide good qualities on the right team.
:Archeops: UR to C-
Archeops has a diverse movepool and strong attack stats on both ends which means it can function in a variety of ways. The two main ways I have seen it used are as either a lead or a pivot. As a Stealth Rock lead, it has two notable advantages over other leads, a strong Head Smash that will crush Taunt Crobat and Magic Bounce Xatu that try to stop entry hazards, and Endeavor. Endeavor can be a very useful move considering that many SS teams do not run any Ghost-type and most Ghost-types do not want to switch into Archeops either way. Another way of using Archeops is as a pivot with Knock Off, U-turn, and Roost. It can check Togekiss and Crobat and make progress and bring teammates in with Knock Off and U-turn.
:gourgeist: (small) UR to C-
Gourgeist Small has a good speed tier and strong attacks that allow it to be a viable Choice Band attacker in the tier. It outspeeds Sigilyph and Mimikyu, and it can outspeed Mimikyu's Shadow Sneak with its own. It's not that strong relative to other Pokemon like Decidueye and Dhelmise but having strong attacks helps make up for it. Between Trick, Power Whip, and Poltergeist it's a significant threat with a good speed tier that gives it a niche in the tier.
:arcanine: UR to C
Arcanine has some defensive utility, offense, and priority that can lend it to be a useful pick. It can potentially switch in against Grasses and threaten the opposing team with Flare Blitz, Toxic, and Wild Charge.
:blastoise: UR to C-
This guy is really simple. It has Shell Smash although it is not as good as Barbacle and Cloyster but it can potentially leverage its better bulk to take a hit and sweep in situations where the other two would not.
:mantine: UR to C-
A Water-type with Defog potentially has a small niche on certain teams.
:Machamp: UR to C-
Machamp like the other new Fighting-types that have been added is mostly outclassed by the tier's other better Fighting-types like Pangoro and Heracross. However, it sort of has a combination of what Pangoro and Heracross have that could make it worth considering. It has an immediately stronger Bullet Punch than Pangoro whilst not having to be choice locked. This means that Machamp can revenge kill Mimikyu whilst not having to commit to being choice locked like Pangoro might, as a non Choice Band Bullet Punch is not as strong versus Mimikyu. Guts Heracross of course does not have priority but has a much more valuable speed tier in general however this one characteristic in priority may warrant Machamp's use.
:sirfetchd: to C-
This guy has priority with First Impression and a strong Brave Bird for Vileplume over other Fighting-types. It is also faster than Pangoro and Bewear and can crit half of the time when holding a Leek.
:gallade: to C-
Stab Psychic attacks over other Fighters are useful against Weezing-Galar and Vileplume.
:cryogonal: to C
Cryogonal can serve as a Celebi counter and entry hazard remover on stall teams.
:ferroseed: C to Unranked
:kabutops: C to UR
:Linoone: C to UR
:lycanroc: C- to UR
 

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...that the council all or almost all agreed upon...most of the council actually voted...The entire council save one vote...The whole council except one vote...The entire council sees...The whole council felt...
WOW! I LOVE the Great Council! The Council's opinions are the best! Nothing beats the unilateral enforcement of the Council's every wish and desire!

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:SS/Lycanroc:
Lycanroc @ Life Orb
Ability: Sand Rush
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant / Jolly Nature
- Accelerock / Swords Dance / Protect
- Stone Edge
- Close Combat
- Psychic Fangs / Crunch
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen8ru-789369
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen8ru-921784

Unaccountability aside, I disagree with the unranking of Lycanroc. You can fit Lycanroc into Gigalith builds (which just rose in viability) and have a solid structure with few issues. It's more than fast and strong enough, and has the coverage to threaten most cores in SS. Obviously, you have to hit Stone Edge and find a way to get Lycanroc safely onto the field, which isn't always straightforward or risk-free. However, Lycanroc is more than a viable option against opponents with heavy HO and BO (or fat, for that matter) usage. I also disagree with the suicide lead set being outclassed by Archeops and Aerodactyl. All three have different use cases, and if Archeops is ranked, then Lycanroc should be too.
 
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A bit of an oversight by me was not including who worked on this project. Thanks to TheFranklin Metallica126 Runo C0nfiden1 0yster Meru OranBerryBlissey10 LBN for helping with project. I also voted on the ranks and Sol was supposed to vote but he's not currently active so we did it without him.

I edited in a pdf of the spreadsheet with all the votes to anyone who is interested in looking.

As for my personal opinions.

I think some good changes, mostly in the what was risen, came out of this VR update. Entei, Roserade, Xatu and Alolan Marowak were all Pokemon that deserved a raise. However, I disagree with many of the drops of this VR update like Golurk which should not really be ranked lower than Alolan Marowak is considering it is similarly effective all while not needing as much support because it is not Rocks weak. Dropping Tyrantrum two ranks is also something I very much don't agree with either. I think it's similar to Regidrago in potency but more consistent.

I don't think it's always necessary to update the whole VR like this. Updating the full VR of oldgens oftentimes neglects the reasons why, especially lower ranked Pokemon, were put there in the first place. Usage is not the sole factor in VR rankings; otherwise Reuniclus and Togekiss would not be S tier contenders at all. Crobat and Flygon are always the top two most used Pokemon. So, if we accept this, we can't just say some lower ranked Pokemon weren't used or were hardly in a few tournaments and are now unviable if the niche that they deserved to be ranked for in the first place is still clearly there. Of course people have their own opinions and reasons for everything but I felt someone was a bit too eager to UR everything. Overall, the VR update had things I agree with and things that I did not agree with like any other update. The arguably more important aspect of the update, updating the sample teams was also done which is nice.

Lycanroc, yes. Lycanroc is also a viable lead, if Archeops and Froslass are ranked, Lycanroc should be too. Lead Rock Tomb Aero sucks and doesn't do anything except against other leads. Wow, congratulations you sacked a whole Pokemon just to get entry hazards up in a tier where in many games Rocks hardly for anything because the best Pokemon wear Boots or resist Rocks. You're better off either just attacking with Aerodactyl OR you can run Archeops or Lycanroc which actually have Endeavor and can be wayyy more useful than a garbage lead Aerodactyl vs your typical SS team. Lycanroc has priority to pick off stuff after Endeavor where as Archeops as Head Smash to OHKO Taunt Crobat and Magic Bounce Xatu which are reasonable niches. And you already highlighted its niche on sand which I agree with
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen8ru-935741 Here's a replay from RUGL showcasing how effective Archeops' tools can be. I also used Lycanroc in another RUGL game but it ran into a Jellicent and was not able to use Endeavor. Here is that replay
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen8ru-940362

Kabutops should also be ranked because Rapid Spin is a worthwhile niche on rain over Drednaw but only one other person agreed with me in keeping it ranked. Choice Band Flip Turn is also nice but the SS metagame with all its Water immunities is not as conducive to being choice locked but sometimes it can be very potent. Being fair, Kabutops has like no tournament usage and I can only remember myself and the RU ladder using it, so it being unranked is understandable, especially when it is considered mostly outclassed by an already niche Pokemon in Drednaw. If I get replays from RU Cup later this year, I may make a post about Kabutops.
 
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Cause i will stop play RU long time, i will share some good team in my mind, SS RU is good, hope it good forever.

:lucario::stakataka::golisopod::flygon::guzzlord::sigilyph:
https://pokepast.es/5adabfb444dad985
It is shameful cause i never used this team won any game, but other player like it and get some success, idea very simple, lucario is good wallbreaker in physical, sigi is good breaker in special, they not weak rock and benefit with hazard stack so run goli+guzz core, rocker use stakataka help remove flygon thanks shuca berry, and flygon be incin switch in+speed control.

:raikou::steelix::togekiss::crobat::umbreon::tsareena:
https://pokepast.es/6cc847eae2ce4839
2024 sspl vs ampha and ruwc final vs strap i used that team, tect raikou good into many bo, 3a toge+np bat be bird spam help overwhelm special wall and bat being another soild wincon.

:raikou::drapion::bronzong::flygon::crobat::tsareena:
https://pokepast.es/b16c671914741bf8
building with BluBirD in sspl vs gama and mac support, shuca drap 6-0 opp on scout and 3a raikou would be a good benefiter, team weak guzz so can xurk>kou.

:arcanine::rhyperior::reuniclus::eldegoss::metagross::crobat:
https://pokepast.es/155b8d4884cb1e45
team from Attribute but i revamp, use night shade reuni won opp's reuni, also can use demongross+psychic reuni deal nidoqueen, ywt lost a important thing about arcanine, it is arcanine can learn play rough to hit guzz, my first time run fat stuff.

:steelix::golisopod::sigilyph::xurkitree::guzzlord::crobat:
https://pokepast.es/386ed9aa5590a426
sspl 2025 semifinal team, xurk is best special breaker and special spam never be bad, this is a soild hazard stack team.

:ninetales::bronzong::tsareena::golisopod::togekiss::flygon:
https://pokepast.es/f77f698490284db0
rucl vs dugza cause i feel ninetales break his gastro team, cause grass corvage ninetales have it unique advantage being a breaker.

:pangoro::steelix::dhelmise::crobat::vaporeon::xurkitree:
https://pokepast.es/32cae9f4683accd3
my best team, it is good, it can outcome everything, panda good, lix good, dhelm good, np bat very very good, vapo good and xurk good, this team very good.
 
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