Counters: Snorlax, Ferroseed
Checks: Passimian, Whimsicott
Checks: Passimian, Whimsicott
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Project SS RU Victim of the Week: Week 31 - NP Alolatales
- Thread starter Oathkeeper
- Start date
Winners
Checks
Checks
Counters
User | Pokemon | Submission |
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| Copperajah (8 votes) | |
| Ferroseed (8 votes) | |
| Snorlax (3 votes) | |
| Steelix (3 votes) | |
| Stunfisk-G (3 votes) |
This was unprecedented. In any of the victims I've done in these projects, I've never had 5 winners in any category. 2 ppl getting 8 votes, 3 ppl getting 3 votes. I love this guys. You make this worthwhile! Keep it up =)
Honorable mentions:
All of 3 mons are checks obviously since none of them take STAB Draco at all. However, should they all come in safely, they have either a perfect or darn-near perfect chance to OHKO with Fire Blast.
Oh man, with 2 weeks left to go in this 10-week run, gorex and Katy are at the top of the standings with Expulso and Mavis creeping right behind them. Will anybody catch them? Let's see.........
Week 9
The mon being targeted this time is.................
Braviary @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Close Combat
- U-turn
- Facade
Honorable mentions:
All of 3 mons are checks obviously since none of them take STAB Draco at all. However, should they all come in safely, they have either a perfect or darn-near perfect chance to OHKO with Fire Blast.
Checks
Virizion - 8
Passimian - 6
Whimsicott - 5
Slurpuff - 4
Gastrodon - 4
Hitmonlee - 1
Counters
Copperajah - 8
Ferroseed - 8
Snorlax - 3
Steelix - 3
Stunfisk-G - 3
Togedemaru - 2
Silvally-Steel - 1
Virizion - 8
Passimian - 6
Whimsicott - 5
Slurpuff - 4
Gastrodon - 4
Hitmonlee - 1
Counters
Copperajah - 8
Ferroseed - 8
Snorlax - 3
Steelix - 3
Stunfisk-G - 3
Togedemaru - 2
Silvally-Steel - 1
gorex - 8
Katy - 8
Expulso - 7
Mavis - 7
MrAldo - 5
Oathkeepre - 4
xerovis - 4
Coton - 3
Randomnick - 3
SectoniaServant - 3
Sensei Axew - 3
cyanize - 2
Datsplashtho - 2
aVocado - 1
EggsAndPeanuts - 1
HiddenPower23 - 1
Loom - 1
Montage Hustle - 1
Zneon - 1
Katy - 8
Expulso - 7
Mavis - 7
MrAldo - 5
Oathkeepre - 4
xerovis - 4
Coton - 3
Randomnick - 3
SectoniaServant - 3
Sensei Axew - 3
cyanize - 2
Datsplashtho - 2
aVocado - 1
EggsAndPeanuts - 1
HiddenPower23 - 1
Loom - 1
Montage Hustle - 1
Zneon - 1
Oh man, with 2 weeks left to go in this 10-week run, gorex and Katy are at the top of the standings with Expulso and Mavis creeping right behind them. Will anybody catch them? Let's see.........
Week 9
The mon being targeted this time is.................
Braviary @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Close Combat
- U-turn
- Facade
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Aromatisse @ Leftovers
Ability: Aroma Veil
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Wish
- Protect
- Moonblast / Dazzling Gleam
- Aromatherapy
Nominating Aromatisse as a check. Aromatisse is able to switch in to scarf Braviary and survive two brave birds and then heal up. If rocks are up then Aromatisse is easily chipped through Braviary u-turning which makes Aromatisse be in range of two Brave Birds the next time it comes in. Dazzling gleam is an option over moonblast so that you won't trigger defiant from a special attack drop. A statused Braviary has a 30% chance to 2hko Aromatisse from full with facade.
252 Atk Braviary Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Aromatisse: 195-229 (48 - 56.4%) -- 30.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Braviary Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Aromatisse: 168-198 (41.3 - 48.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Braviary Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Aromatisse: 168-198 (41.3 - 48.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
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Check:
Copperajah @ Chople Berry
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 96 HP / 192 Atk / 72 Def / 72 SpD / 76 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Heavy Slam
- Power Whip/Play Rough/Heat Crash (any of your fav copper coverage)
- Stone Edge
Copperajah thanks to his type which resists 3/4 braviary moves and it's decent bulk allows it to tank braviary attacks while being able to kill it almost always after recoil . With Chople berry it can tank close combat +brave bird which makes it a lot more reliable as a check . The ev spread allows copper to avoid the 3hko from braviary brave bird and the 2hko from scarf indeedee mfire while being able to outspeed 0 speed gastro and still has a lot of atk . It almost always kills braviary after brave bird recoil with stone edge.
Copperajah @ Chople Berry
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 96 HP / 192 Atk / 72 Def / 72 SpD / 76 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Heavy Slam
- Power Whip/Play Rough/Heat Crash (any of your fav copper coverage)
- Stone Edge
Copperajah thanks to his type which resists 3/4 braviary moves and it's decent bulk allows it to tank braviary attacks while being able to kill it almost always after recoil . With Chople berry it can tank close combat +brave bird which makes it a lot more reliable as a check . The ev spread allows copper to avoid the 3hko from braviary brave bird and the 2hko from scarf indeedee mfire while being able to outspeed 0 speed gastro and still has a lot of atk . It almost always kills braviary after brave bird recoil with stone edge.
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Rotom @ Colbur Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Discharge
- Shadow Ball
- Will-O-Wisp
- Pain Split
is a counter with this set as it can come in mutiple times really comfortably on braviary and it can either burn the opposing braviary with will-o-wispto cripple it down or just straight up go for a discharge. rotom can also come in on its stab facade
and its coverage option in close combat undamaged as rotoms ghost typing makes it completly immune to these moves.
brave bird is only a 4hko but rotom has pain split to recover health in the long thus rotom is a counter to braviary.
calcs:
252 Atk Braviary Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Rotom: 80-95 (26.3 - 31.2%) -- 34% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Braviary U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Rotom: 31-37 (10.1 - 12.1%) -- possible 8HKO after Stealth Rock
4 SpA Rotom Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Braviary: 236-282 (69.2 - 82.6%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Braviary U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Rotom: 31-37 (10.1 - 12.1%) -- possible 8HKO after Stealth Rock
4 SpA Rotom Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Braviary: 236-282 (69.2 - 82.6%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
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Submitting Weezing as a check.
Weezing @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 96 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sludge Bomb
- Will-O-Wisp
- Pain Split
- Flamethrower
252 Atk Braviary Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Weezing: 129-153 (38.6 - 45.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
It's a check because it takes a lot from Brave Bird, but Rocks + BB recoil + Rocky Helmet recoil means that it can take up to 55% from coming in and using 1 brave bird.
It punishes Braviary for using any move except Brave Bird because Weezing takes very little from those attacks and seriously damages Braviary with its recoil. In particular, Weezing helps stop Braviary from spamming U-Turn to gain momentum and wittle down its other checks.
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Sableye @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Knock Off
- Encore
- Recover
- Will-O-Wisp
Nominating Sableye as a counter. Sableye is able to effortlessly switch into any of Braviary's attacks, being immune to two of them, and force it out, allowing Sableye to either Knock Off the incoming pokemon, or Wisp it.
252 Atk Braviary Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 163-193 (53.6 - 63.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
This may seem bad, but you burn it and force it into this:
252 Atk burned Braviary Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 81-96 (26.6 - 31.5%) -- 26% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
This is not a 2hko even if you get max rolls. You're free to spam Recovers, and even Knock off its Scarf if you want, since it's not doing much against you after being burnt.
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Nominating the Rhy Guy as a Check.
Rhydon @ Eviolite
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Rock Blast
- Stealth Rock
- Swords Dance
Without full HP and Def investment, Rhydon falls just short (if rocks are up) of being able to switch into Close Combat, take a second one and retaliate.
252 Atk Braviary Close Combat vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Rhydon: 146-172 (41.5 - 49%) -- 14.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
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252 Atk Braviary Brave Bird vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Rhydon: 54-64 (15.3 - 18.2%) -- possible 6HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Braviary Facade vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Rhydon: 32-38 (9.1 - 10.8%) -- possible 9HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Braviary U-turn vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Rhydon: 43-51 (12.2 - 14.5%) -- possible 7HKO after Stealth Rock
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252 Atk Braviary Brave Bird vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Rhydon: 54-64 (15.3 - 18.2%) -- possible 6HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Braviary Facade vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Rhydon: 32-38 (9.1 - 10.8%) -- possible 9HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Braviary U-turn vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Rhydon: 43-51 (12.2 - 14.5%) -- possible 7HKO after Stealth Rock
This means the normal sets can't reliably counter, however they can certainly check! Rhydon can come in fresh and eat any one move to OHKO with stone edge in return. Rhydon also conveniently brushes off the other 3 moves that Braviary could be locked into.
252 Atk Rhydon Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Braviary: 416-492 (121.9 - 144.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Bye Birb
Bye Birb
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Avalugg @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Avalanche
- Toxic
- Recover
- Rapid Spin
Avalugg is a great Braviary counter because it can take 3 DC hits and 4 Brave Bird hits which are the most powerful hits it has, access to recover and toxic make it a fearsome mon as it can wear down its rivals while recovers, it should be clarified that 1 Avalanche kills braviary due to its poor defenses and the double power of avalanche, that makes it a great counter.
252 Atk Braviary Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 87-103 (22 - 26.1%) -- 7.5% chance to 4HKO
252 Atk Braviary Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 116-138 (29.4 - 35%) -- 13.2% chance to 3HKO
4 Atk Avalugg Avalanche vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Braviary: 188-224 (55.1 - 65.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (is OHKO but the calc not count the priority of -6)
252 Atk Braviary Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 116-138 (29.4 - 35%) -- 13.2% chance to 3HKO
4 Atk Avalugg Avalanche vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Braviary: 188-224 (55.1 - 65.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (is OHKO but the calc not count the priority of -6)
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Reserving Steelix as a counter
Steelix @ Leftovers
Ability: Rock Head
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Def / 240 SpD
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Curse
- Head Smash
- Body Press
simple stuff, you take 2 ccs from full and every other hit is resisted so does nothing. head smash kills on -1 def braviary, or you can curse up when at full if steelix is able to do work vs the remainder of opposing team. if opting for head smash route, steelix just takes the close combat and head smash after the defense drops for the ohko, surviving with about 60% or so hp. if opting for the curse route, defense boosts from curse + passive leftovers recovery can help steelix sustain pretty well vs braviary, coming out of the exchange with only about 50% lost.
Steelix @ Leftovers
Ability: Rock Head
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Def / 240 SpD
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Curse
- Head Smash
- Body Press
simple stuff, you take 2 ccs from full and every other hit is resisted so does nothing. head smash kills on -1 def braviary, or you can curse up when at full if steelix is able to do work vs the remainder of opposing team. if opting for head smash route, steelix just takes the close combat and head smash after the defense drops for the ohko, surviving with about 60% or so hp. if opting for the curse route, defense boosts from curse + passive leftovers recovery can help steelix sustain pretty well vs braviary, coming out of the exchange with only about 50% lost.
252 Atk Braviary Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Steelix: 124-146 (35 - 41.2%) -- 66.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Braviary Close Combat vs. +1 252 HP / 16+ Def Steelix: 82-98 (23.1 - 27.6%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Braviary Close Combat vs. +1 252 HP / 16+ Def Steelix: 82-98 (23.1 - 27.6%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Steelix Head Smash vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Braviary: 358-422 (104.9 - 123.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 16+ Def Steelix Body Press vs. -2 0 HP / 0 Def Braviary: 447-526 (131 - 154.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
curse on 1st cc, body press on 2nd cc, hence -2 def braviary
+1 16+ Def Steelix Body Press vs. -2 0 HP / 0 Def Braviary: 447-526 (131 - 154.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
curse on 1st cc, body press on 2nd cc, hence -2 def braviary
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I swear Togedemaru works as a check every week.
Togedemaru @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- U-turn
- Zing Zap
- Iron Head
- Zen HeadbuttTogedemaru resists the main stabs and scares it out with Zing Zap. However it will get destroyed by Close Combat, Togedemaru still works as a check as it is faster. Important to note is that Zing Zap does not OHKO Braviary but with Stealth Rock and Brave Bird recoil it will get in range of that relatively fast.
Calcs:
252 Atk Togedemaru Zing Zap vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Braviary: 272-324 (79.7 - 95%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Braviary Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Togedemaru: 68-81 (25 - 29.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 Atk Braviary Facade vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Togedemaru: 80-95 (29.5 - 35%) -- 14.7% chance to 3HKO
252 Atk Braviary U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Togedemaru: 53-63 (19.5 - 23.2%) -- possible 5HKO
Togedemaru @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- U-turn
- Zing Zap
- Iron Head
- Zen Headbutt
Calcs:
252 Atk Togedemaru Zing Zap vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Braviary: 272-324 (79.7 - 95%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Braviary Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Togedemaru: 68-81 (25 - 29.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 Atk Braviary Facade vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Togedemaru: 80-95 (29.5 - 35%) -- 14.7% chance to 3HKO
252 Atk Braviary U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Togedemaru: 53-63 (19.5 - 23.2%) -- possible 5HKO
Boltund @ Life Orb
Ability: Strong Jaw
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Thunder Fang
- Fire Fang
- Crunch
- Psychic Fangs
Check. Needs to come in safely despite this good boi's speed tier and horrible bulk. It can live any one hit funny enough tho:
252 Atk Braviary Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Boltund: 141-167 (50.5 - 59.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Braviary Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Boltund: 189-223 (67.7 - 79.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Braviary U-turn vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Boltund: 111-131 (39.7 - 46.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Braviary Facade vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Boltund: 166-196 (59.4 - 70.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
The electric dog easily OHKOs right back with STAB Thunder Fang and even lives to tell the tale and keep going even with LO recoil:
252 Atk Life Orb Strong Jaw Boltund Thunder Fang vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Braviary: 408-484 (119.6 - 141.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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As per usual, vote for 2 checks & counters! Voting ends Sunday.
Checks: Weezing, Rhydon
Counters: Avalugg, Sableye
Checks: Weezing, Rhydon
Counters: Avalugg, Sableye
Boltund + Rhydon for Checks
Avalugg + Rotom for Counters
Avalugg + Rotom for Counters