Resource SS Ubers Viability Ranking Thread (Pre-Home)

[lolgod3]

Crowned Zacian is a mega mawile that is really fast and walled by unaware, have a better moveset, and hits a bit harder. While Corsola-Galar is an insane physical wall that deserves A

Wild calc to proof that:
+3 252 Atk Zacian-Crowned Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Corsola-Galar: 256-302 (79 - 93.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+3 252+ Atk Zacian-Crowned Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Corsola-Galar: 282-332 (87 - 102.4%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
That is over insane.
252+ SpA Life Orb Eternatus Dynamax Cannon (100 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Eviolite Corsola-Galar: 169-200 (52.1 - 61.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252+ Atk Darmanitan-Galar Icicle Crash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Corsola-Galar: 117-138 (36.1 - 42.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO (+1 to simulate gorilla tactics)
252+ SpA Gothitelle Psychic vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Eviolite Corsola-Galar on a critical hit: 130-154 (40.1 - 47.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 252+ Atk Choice Band Zacian Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Corsola-Galar: 208-246 (64.1 - 75.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Replays:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8ubers-1058655654 – If not dumb luck, corsola could have walled the entire opposing team
more replays later

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Can't wait to get new VR update, Necrozma DM is surely to be the top ranked S mon.

 

[CreamyGlasses]

Crowned Zacian is a mega mawile that is really fast and walled by unaware, have a better moveset, and hits a bit harder. While Corsola-Galar is an insane physical wall that deserves A

Wild calc to proof that:
+3 252 Atk Zacian-Crowned Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Corsola-Galar: 256-302 (79 - 93.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+3 252+ Atk Zacian-Crowned Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Corsola-Galar: 282-332 (87 - 102.4%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
That is over insane.
252+ SpA Life Orb Eternatus Dynamax Cannon (100 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Eviolite Corsola-Galar: 169-200 (52.1 - 61.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252+ Atk Darmanitan-Galar Icicle Crash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Corsola-Galar: 117-138 (36.1 - 42.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO (+1 to simulate gorilla tactics)
252+ SpA Gothitelle Psychic vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Eviolite Corsola-Galar on a critical hit: 130-154 (40.1 - 47.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 252+ Atk Choice Band Zacian Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Corsola-Galar: 208-246 (64.1 - 75.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Replays:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8ubers-1058655654 – If not dumb luck, corsola could have walled the entire opposing team
more replays later

If you strength sap and zacian sd's again, you get ohkoed next turn. If you will-o-wisp, you die to 2ko. its a 50/50 lmao. Cant switch in at all, as two crunch at +1 is nearly always a 2hko.

Also cursola does nothing in the replay you linked lmfao

 

[Cuddly]

A > B+
Let’s be honest.
Quagsire’s claim to fame is being one of the few Pokemon that can “counter” Zacian-C.
I put quotations around counter, since;
-You absolutely need Quagsire to be as healthy as possible
-If Zacian-C gets behind a Sub, all Quagsire can do is PP and waste all its own Recovers
-Even if Zacian-C isn’t behind a Sub, it has to rely on a Play Rough Miss, Scald Burn, predicting the RNG (as in, if you won’t get a burn and your opponent misses, the only move that’ll let you beat Zacian-C is Earthquake)
-Zacian-C has teammates.
—Goth forces it to run Shed Shell
—Kyurem-W now has Freeze-Dry and is also pretty good against other Zacian-C “counters”
—Shed Shell can be knocked off
—Since Quagsire only barely counters Zacian-C, Double Dragon strategies with Excadrill and Necrozma-DM can work well
-And oh yeah! It really needs to be at or close to full health to even counter Zacian-C
This is a really great example of when checks are better than technical counters.
I honestly would rather just revenge kill Zacian-C with Ditto, Excadrill, ect. than try to keep 1 Pokemon on the bench the entire game, only to send it out when only a handful of threats appear, hope you don’t get juked out by your opponent double switching, and then immediately take it out as soon as some hard hitting Special Attacker comes in and seriously dents your own teammate too.
I’m also being pretty generous with a B+ ranking for something that barely does its job well and is a huge detriment to your team otherwise.

 

[DragicMag]

Is there going to be a new thread for the VR? Because almost everything we talked about is basically irrelevant now because of the introduction of home. The meta is completely different.

 

[Nayrz]

The original intention I had was to leave this thread open and let folks give their impressions on the Home meta that could be considered between council members when revamping the VR, but it would be cleaner to have a separate thread and preserve this for people to see how the meta used to be, even if its fairly dated.

We will split into a new thread but allow more time for the meta to settle in Seasonal and such before getting started. I can't say exactly when to expect v2, but probably around 2-3 weeks from now.