Resource SS Ubers Viability Rankings v2

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Hello, I am VR Council member crucify here with a sorta unofficial update. The VR council felt that the previous VR needed to many changes to be able to do noms, so we decided to rework the entire VR (fret not, we still took noms into account). This was taking a long time, and with Ladder Tour very very soon, I felt that we needed to have an update for the VR. The following is a combination of what was already worked on and my own personal takes on the VR, that was approved by Nayrz and the most active members of the VR council. I'm very sorry for the delay, and here it is:

S
:lunala: Lunala
:eternatus: Eternatus

A+
:reshiram: Reshiram
:Zacian-crowned: Zacian-C
:Necrozma-Dusk-mane: Necrozma-DM
:Excadrill: Excadrill

A
:dugtrio: Dugtrio
:tyranitar: Tyranitar
:corviknight: Corviknight

A-
:Zekrom: Zekrom
:Kyurem-white: Kyurem-White
:Ferrothorn: Ferrothorn
:Toxapex: Toxapex
:Snorlax: Snorlax
:gothitelle: Gothitelle

(everything below this is in alphabetical order)

B+
:Aegislash: Aegislash
:Darmanitan-Galar: Darmanitan-Galar
:Gyarados: Gyarados
:Kyurem-Black: Kyurem-Black
:Mandibuzz: Mandibuzz
:Marshadow: Marshadow
:mewtwo: Mewtwo
:Quagsire: Quagsire
:Umbreon: Umbreon

B
:dracovish: Dracovish
:Drednaw: Drednaw
:ditto: Ditto
:Hippowdon: Hippowdon
:Pelipper: Pelipper
:Rotom-Heat: Rotom-Heat
:Rotom-Wash: Rotom-Wash
:Seismitoad: Seismitoad
:Togekiss: Togekiss

B-
:avalugg: Avalugg
:Cloyster: Cloyster
:Darmanitan: Darmanitan
:Dragapult: Dragapult
:Grimmsnarl: Grimmsnarl
:Hatterene: Hatterene
:Hydreigon: Hydreigon
:Melmetal: Melmetal
:Pyukumuku: Pyukumuku
:Zacian: Zacian
:Zamazenta: Zamazenta

C+
:Crawdaunt: Crawdaunt
:Ludicolo: Ludicolo
:Mew: Mew
:Rotom-Mow: Rotom-Mow
:Sableye: Sableye
:Sylveon: Sylveon
:Torkoal: Torkoal
:Vaporeon: Vaporeon
:Venusaur: Venusaur


C
:Blastoise: Blastoise
:Charizard: Charizard
:Glalie: Glalie
:Lapras: Lapras
:Necrozma-Dawn-Wings: Necrozma-DW
:polteageist: Polteageist
:Ribombee: Ribombee
:Rotom-Fan: Rotom-Fan
:Solgaleo: Solgaleo
:Shuckle: Shuckle
:Zamazenta-Crowned: Zamazenta-C

Two points of discussion I have for you are:
:Dugtrio: Dugtrio -> A+, by virtue of its ability to trap top threats in the tier with its Choice Scarf set.
:Reshiram: Reshiram -> Further down in A+, one of the best wallbreakers in the tier, however can make your team have defensive holes in it.

feel free to pm me on Discord crucify#2907 if you want an explanation for where something is ranked, and make sure to post in this thread with a nom of your own if you feel a mon should be in a different rank.
 
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For people wondering what changed.

:lunala: A+ --> S
:eternatus: A --> S
:reshiram: A- --> A+
:excadrill: A- --> A+
:dugtrio: A- --> A
:tyranitar: A- --> A
:gothitelle: B+ --> A-
:snorlax: B --> A-
:quagsire: B --> B+
:aegislash: B- --> B+
:kyurem-black: B- --> B+
:rotom-wash: B- --> B
:pelipper: C --> B
:seismitoad: C --> B
:hatterene: C --> B-
:melmetal: C --> B-
:sylveon: C --> C+
:vaporeon: C --> C+
:gyarados: Unranked --> B+
:drednaw: Unranked --> B
:togekiss: Unranked --> B
:avalugg: Unranked --> B-
:darmanitan: Unranked --> B-
:grimmsnarl: Unranked --> B-
:pyukumuku: Unranked --> B-
:crawdaunt: Unranked --> C+
:ludicolo: Unranked --> C+
:rotom-mow: Unranked --> C+
:venusaur: Unranked --> C+
:blastoise: Unranked --> C
:charizard: Unranked --> C
:glalie: Unranked --> C
:lapras: Unranked --> C
:rotom-fan: Unranked --> C

:necrozma-dusk-mane: S --> A+
:zekrom: A+ --> A-
:marshadow: A --> B+
:mewtwo: A --> B+
:mandibuzz: A- --> B+
:ditto: A --> B
:hippowdon: B+ --> B
:rotom-heat: B+ --> B
:hydreigon: B --> B-
:zacian: B --> B-
:mew: B+ --> C+
:sableye: B --> C+
:torkoal: B- --> C+
:clefable: C --> Unranked
:wobbuffet: C --> Unranked

Edit: Dracovish, Polteageist & Ribombee are not Unranked.
 
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For people wondering what changed.

:lunala: A+ --> S
:eternatus: A --> S
:reshiram: A- --> A+
:excadrill: A- --> A+
:dugtrio: A- --> A
:tyranitar: A- --> A
:gothitelle: B+ --> A-
:snorlax: B --> A-
:quagsire: B --> B+
:aegislash: B- --> B+
:kyurem-black: B- --> B+
:rotom-wash: B- --> B
:pelipper: C --> B
:seismitoad: C --> B
:hatterene: C --> B-
:melmetal: C --> B-
:sylveon: C --> C+
:vaporeon: C --> C+
:gyarados: Unranked --> B+
:drednaw: Unranked --> B
:togekiss: Unranked --> B
:avalugg: Unranked --> B-
:darmanitan: Unranked --> B-
:grimmsnarl: Unranked --> B-
:pyukumuku: Unranked --> B-
:crawdaunt: Unranked --> C+
:ludicolo: Unranked --> C+
:rotom-mow: Unranked --> C+
:venusaur: Unranked --> C+
:blastoise: Unranked --> C
:charizard: Unranked --> C
:glalie: Unranked --> C
:lapras: Unranked --> C
:rotom-fan: Unranked --> C

:necrozma-dusk-mane: S --> A+
:zekrom: A+ --> A-
:marshadow: A --> B+
:mewtwo: A --> B+
:mandibuzz: A- --> B+
:ditto: A --> B
:hippowdon: B+ --> B
:rotom-heat: B+ --> B
:hydreigon: B --> B-
:zacian: B --> B-
:mew: B+ --> C+
:sableye: B --> C+
:torkoal: B- --> C+
:dracovish: B --> Unranked
:clefable: C --> Unranked
:polteageist: C --> Unranked
:ribombee: C --> Unranked
:wobbuffet: C --> Unranked
ngl I forgot about dracovish, polteageist, and ribombee, those are all ranked. Clef and wobb are unranked, though there could be discussion about those being ranked. Thanks for the post
 
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Galvantula UR ---> B+ (or Somewhere, atleast not UR)


This Pokemon Is Overlooked by most players, because it's in Ru, however, this Pokemon can destroy entire Offense teams, and that thing is Sticky Web, which not only Makes the Opposing Pokemon slower, it also does this; if a Pokemon on your side has 252 EVs and a Nature that's Positive to the Speed Stat, and your opponent has the exact same Pokemon and stats but it's Choice Scarfed and Sticky Web is set up on your opponent's side, the Opponent's Either A) Be Exactly One Point Slower. Or B) Force a speed tiebreaker, also this is one of the only sticky web users that doesn't become a straight-up liability since it has access to Thunder, Which normally wouldn't be good as it has a 70% chance to hit, however, If you slap
Compound Eyes on it and now it has a 91% chance to hit, now sure, there aren't any Water Types that are Uber Tiered, but that doesn't matter since Thunder is Kinda Powerful in Uber, and It has a Great Match-up Against Corviknight, sure, Corvikinght can Defog the Sticky Web, but it doesn't want to take a Thunder straight in the sky, and also has good match-ups against the Legendaries since most of them doesn't resist both Electric and Bug
Here's some Proof:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8ubers-1120082725
 
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Rises:

:kyurem-black: B+ ---> A-/A
I don't see a reason for this thing to be this underrated. It's probably the second best dynamax user in the tier behind excadrill, and is one of the most threatening sweepers. It can set up safely a lot of the time because its insane coverage threatens most of the tier. Fusion bolt, icicle spear, and either outrage or shadow claw can deal with pretty much everything, and it doesn't have to worry about dying to many hits aside from behemoth blade/bash or dynamax cannon since it can dynamax.

:drednaw: B ---> B+/A-
Drednaw is an insanely strong threat in the current meta, and should be ranked much higher imo. It's faster than everything that isn't scarf zacian/zamazenta, and even then should live a hit from them. Drednaw when played correctly, should get at least 1-3 kills a game. The only thing that can safely take a g-max stonesurge is eternatus, which doesn't enjoy taking a max quake from a life orb adamant drednaw. It gets the most free stealth rocks ever, and can only be mildly crippled by things such as twave necrozma or wisp lunala, both of which can't switch in and instead either need a sack first or to be already in.

:dragapult: B- ---> B+
I'll be honest, for a while I really thought that dragapult wasn't a capable threat in ubers. It can't one shot necrozma dusk and then gets twaved, can't outspeed zacian-c without a dd, and is semi frail. But after actually using it in a team, this thing is a major threat. It's mixed coverage just threatens a lot of the game which is currently a lot of bulky steels or dragons, so I think it should be ranked a bit higher. The things keeping it down for me is that it doesn't always kill necrozma if its not +attack nature which still isn't guaranteed but is a help, but doesn't outspeed base 130's with that +attack nature, and ties with marsh if its not +speed nature. The ability to dynamax does make it a lot better than a lot of things, since it can find a place to set up, and then it can deal massive damage to every mon in the tier, and can deal with walls through max phantasm's defence drops.

Drops:

:Aegislash: B+ ---> B-/C+
Aegislash doesn't really have a place in the current meta imo. It is super outclassed by lunala as a ghost and necrozma and zacian as a steel, even though it can dynamax. There's no xerneas or huge special fairies for it to check, and it pretty much hard loses to all of a- rank up aside from goth, some ferro's, and sometimes pex, but that's really all it can beat. I say B- just to be conservative on the drops, but can't even see it compare to other mons in B- such as melmetal, zacian, and zamazenta.

:Avalugg: B- ---> C/UR
What does this thing even do in ubers? It's a mediocre physical wall that doesn't provide defensive utility due to its weakness to steel. It can't even take 2 g-max stonesurges in the rain, something that isn't even super effective. It's terrible sp.def stat makes it lose to lunala, reshiram, kyurem white, etc, and in practice I can only see it mildly checking zekrom and kyurem black, and not even that well since it doesn't provide anything else for the team.

:Pyukumuku: B- ---> C
Pyukumuku feels like just a worse wobbufett, which is already not a good place to start. The counter coat set is just unable to really beat anything, and is just a much worse unaware wall compared to quagsire. Block soak toxic is a gimmick set that can be useful to get rid of defensive necrozma if they don't see it coming, but nothing more than that, so I just don't think it should be anything higher than the lowest.
 

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Update time! With UPL and DLC 1 approaching we decided to update this thread to be as best fitting to the post Home metagame before we move on to the Isle of Armor. The current plan is to create a new VR for the Isle of Armor DLC so that we can chronicle each stage of the wildly changing SS metagame.

Before we start this, there's been a small council change - byronthewellwell has stepped down (thanks for your work!) and TrueNora has joined the VR Council! New sheet is here, as usual more was discussed than just those that moved. now, for the changelist:

Update List

Zacian-C: A+ >> S
(above Eternatus)
Reshiram: A+ >> A (bottom of A)
Kyurem-White: Drops inside A- (below Toxapex)
Snorlax: A- >> B
Kyurem-Black: B+ >> A-
(top of A-)
Quagsire: B+ >> A- (above Ferrothorn) **
Aegislash: B+ >> B-
Dracovish: B >> B+
Drednaw: B >> B+
Dragapult: B >> B+
Hydreigon: B- >> B
Zacian: B- >> B **
Seismitoad: B >> B-
Avalugg: B- >> C
Pyukumuku: B- >> C
Ludicolo: C+ >> UR
Cinderace: UR >> B-
Clefable: UR >> B-
Rillaboom: UR >> C


I'm dumb and forgot the Galvantula nom on the sheet, but we internally disagreed to rank it anyway.
** The sheet was finished but at the last minute there was an internal push to update the ranks for Quagsire and hero Zacian. I internally polled the VR Council and got >50% yes votes, so they were added to the update at the last minute as this is the last update for this thread.


We're hoping to start a new VR during the early-mid stages of UPL. See you then!
 
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