i wanted to make a post on stall in sun moon ou as it has sort of changed since oras ou. back in oras ou sableye was banned to 'nerf' stall but in sun moon ou stall is a lot more powerful than it ever was in oras. the core of toxapex + skarmory + chansey + clefable can basically take on almost everything and then utilizes dugtrio to get rid of everything that possesses even a small threat such as mind plate tapu lele, choice band tyranitar, kyurem etc. before people jump on sableye, there is no way that is the key broken part of stall. it does what it's always done which is keep layers off and if anything i'd say it's worse than it was last gen as it struggles to check stuff like swords dance continental crush + stealth rock landorus and spikes greninja. i think the biggest problem with stall currently is that its a puts a ridiculous strain on teambuilding. any good team needs to have good stall antimeasures but in sun moon you need ridiculous preparation to stand a chance. the council has plans to do something about stall but i wanted to make this thread to hear what other people had to say on the topic.