Stall Team based in Obi´s Team but with variations, lol

Maestro Arena

Maestro Arena

This team is for Wi-fi Tournament where the Legendary Pokemon will be forbidden (I wanted to use Heatran :( )

Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 24 Atk / 192 Def / 40 SpDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SpAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Slack Off
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang

No explanations here. Starter, Stealth Rock user.

Skarmory @ Shed Shell
Ability: Keen Eye
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Atk / 200 Def / 40 SpDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SpAtk)
- Whirlwind
- Spikes
- Roost
- Brave Bird

No explanations here too. Physical wall, spiker, p-hazer.

Tentacruel @ Leftovers
Ability: Liquid Ooze
EVs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 SpDef
Calm nature (+SpDef, -Atk)
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Surf
- Ice Beam

Toxic Spiker, anti Mixmence, anti Infernape, good special wall

Spiritomb @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 100 Def / 156 SpDef
Calm nature (+SpDef, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Hidden Power [Fighting]

My second special wall (well, is more like a mixed wall), and status absorber.

Tangrowth@Leftovers
Ability: Chlorophyll
Impish nature (+Def, -SpAtk)
EVs: 252 HP, 228 Def, 28 Spd
-Power Whip
-Knock Off
-Leech Seed
-Sleep Powder

Another physical wall, Tangrowth is awesome. It sleeps, it drops items, it annoys like hell, it destroys ugly Gyarados, etc

Blissey @ Leftovers
Natural Cure
Calm nature (+sp def, -atk)
EVs: 252 Def, 40 SpAtk, 216 SpDef
-Seismic Toss
-Protect
-Wish
-Fire Blast

A very special defense oriented Blissey. Since I have 3 physical walls, why shall I use it against physical threats?
 
Just out of basic curiousity, wouldn't a stall team, that was based off another stall team, that used Blissey to counter a lot of things, be weak to all the things that Blissey countered?

So in turn what do you do against Togekiss and Raikou for starters
 
Umm I am pretty sure this team will fall to anything with a decent special attack stat and a reliable STAB.

IMO you have a Trick Room Rain Dance Clamperl weak, 400+ special attack, plus the boost for its water move, GG.

Those are the kind of things you HAVE to have Blissey for on this team.
 
Aeroblacktyl said:
Just out of basic curiousity, wouldn't a stall team, that was based off another stall team, that used Blissey to counter a lot of things, be weak to all the things that Blissey countered?

So in turn what do you do against Togekiss and Raikou for starters
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Tentacruel counters Togekiss hands down thanks to it's enormous special defense. Tangrowth can easily handle Raikou without hidden power ice.

However I do think that Garchomp should be ScarfChomp to add a little bit more offense and he can at least out speed alot of pokemon like Raikou, Infernape,Gengar, etc.
 
CHOMPY said:
Tentacruel counters Togekiss hands down thanks to it's enormous special defense. Tangrowth can easily handle Raikou without hidden power ice.

Tentacruel can't do piddly back to Togekiss, and kiss can Roost. What if Raikou does have HP Ice? They usually do. Toxic / Seismic Toss Blissey will slaughter them both.

However I do think that Garchomp should be ScarfChomp to add a little bit more offense and he can at least out speed alot of pokemon like Raikou, Infernape,Gengar, etc.

Blissey would beat Raikou and Gengar, and Tenta can already beat Infernape... sort of.

Scarfchomp won't beat Raikou.

You switch in and they sub. They MIGHT Calm Mind, but they also might figure its Scarfchomp and HP Ice you from behind the sub.
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lol, I said in the 1st post that this team is for a tournament when legends aren´t allowed, so nobody will use Raikou against me.

But if I use Blissey, what I drop?
 
No legends... Wow that is shit. Still even NUs will beat this team if you don't have Blissey, even CM Chimecho will eventually defeat your pokes when Garchomp is dead.
 
I'd first like to mention that there are no Raikou who do not use Hidden Power Ice, period.

Also any team with Weavile and some special attacker will basically win instantly against you, since only Garchomp can stop say, Porygon Z, but if Weavile kills him off then you're toast. You need a way to take special hits and Tentacruel isn't reliable enough really.
 
Phox said:
I'd first like to mention that there are no Raikou who do not use Hidden Power Ice, period.

I think there is a VERY small number of them with HP Grass to hit Swampert, since dragons won't switch in because of the posible HP Ice.

Also any team with Weavile and some special attacker will basically win instantly against you, since only Garchomp can stop say, Porygon Z, but if Weavile kills him off then you're toast. You need a way to take special hits and Tentacruel isn't reliable enough really.
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USE BLISSEY!
 
Actually, most of the special threats can be stopped by spiritomb, thanks to the fact that he is immune to fighting, psychic and normal. SpecsLuke, Alakazam, Gengar, Azelf and Porygon-Z get stopped by him.

Heavy hitters OTHER than the ones I mentioned will own you... get another special sponge. If you totally hate Blissey, Snorlax does about 80% as good.
 
skiddle said:
Actually, most of the special threats can be stopped by spiritomb, thanks to the fact that he is immune to fighting, psychic and normal. SpecsLuke, Alakazam, Gengar, Azelf and Porygon-Z get stopped by him.

Heavy hitters OTHER than the ones I mentioned will own you... get another special sponge. If you totally hate Blissey, Snorlax does about 80% as good.
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Not entirely true. Those SAers sometimes carry Shadow Ball or Dark Pulse. Especially Porygon Z. Both moves will leave a serious dent in Spiritomb. 2-3HKO is speced.
 
Since a lot of ppl said I need Blissey for not being screwed, I´m going to add Obi´s Blissey (Toxic, Wish, Protect, Fire Blast) (I was going to put Flamethower, but after seeing Blue Harvest team, I saw that is better 2HKO Skarmory than 3HKO it).

What shall I drop, Garchomp or Tangrowth?

Garchomp is a cleaner, but Tangrowth is an awesome defensive wall that protects me from Gyarados and Electivire, Knock Offs Lefties and Leech Seeds.
 
Thats a good question...

I say drop Garchomp, but you might have trouble killing other walls.

But if you dropped Tangrowth you would have Gyarados trouble...

Uhh... Weezing can wall break (sort of) with Toxic and Pain Split. Also it kills Gyarados and Skarmory with Thunder/bolt. But its up to you...

Also if you put Fire Blast on Blissey you should make sure you can outrun Skarmories. Just a few EVs in speed. Otherwise Skarm can PP stall you with Roost.
 
Updated. I decided to drop Garchomp, since I think I have no problems at the time to kill other walls

My doubt is: Toxic or Seismic Toss in Blissey?

And, is Togekiss a great thread for the team?

I´m thinking in reemplace something for Forretress or Bronzorg since I´m worried about Weavile too.
 
I would use Stealth Rock over Spikes on Skarmory, I've tried SR and it works very good here is a Shoddy Log to prove it:

Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
The DCJ713 sent out Shockvire (lvl 100 Electivire ?).
Sikh Assassin sent out Vocanic (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Sikh Assassin switched in Dynamite (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Dynamite's intimidate cut Shockvire's attack!
Shockvire used Earthquake.
It doesn't affect Dynamite...
---
Shockvire used Ice Punch.
It's super effective!
Dynamite lost 100% of its health.
Sikh Assassin's Dynamite fainted.
---
Sikh Assassin switched in Cerberus (lvl 100 Raikou).
Cerberus is exerting its pressure!
Berserk Kid has entered the room.
Cerberus used Substitute.
Cerberus lost 25% of its health.
Cerberus made a substitute!
Shockvire used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for Cerberus!
Cerberus's substitute faded!
Cerberus's leftovers restored its health a little!
Cerberus restored 6% of its health.
---
Cerberus used Hidden Power.
Shockvire lost 28% of its health.
Shockvire used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
Cerberus lost 74% of its health.
Cerberus's leftovers restored its health a little!
Cerberus restored 6% of its health.
---
Sikh Assassin switched in Horus (lvl 100 Skarmory ?).
Shockvire used Earthquake.
It doesn't affect Horus...
---
Shockvire used Thunderpunch.
It's super effective!
Horus lost 38% of its health.
Horus used Brave Bird.
It's not very effective...
Shockvire lost 29% of its health.
Horus was hit by recoil!
Horus lost 8% of its health.
Horus's leftovers restored its health a little!
Horus restored 6% of its health.
---
Shockvire used Thunderpunch.
It's super effective!
Horus lost 38% of its health.
Horus used Roost.
Horus restored 50% of its health.
Horus's leftovers restored its health a little!
Horus restored 6% of its health.
---
Berserk Kid has left the room.
Shockvire used Thunderpunch.
It's super effective!
Horus lost 42% of its health.
Horus used Brave Bird.
It's not very effective...
A critical hit!
Shockvire lost 43% of its health.
The DCJ713's Shockvire fainted.
Horus was hit by recoil!
Horus lost 13% of its health.
Horus's leftovers restored its health a little!
Horus restored 6% of its health.
---
The DCJ713 switched in Mudfinn (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Mudfinn used Stone Edge.
Horus lost 16% of its health.
Horus used Roost.
Horus restored 50% of its health.
Horus's leftovers restored its health a little!
Horus restored 6% of its health.
---
Mudfinn used Waterfall.
Horus lost 22% of its health.
Horus used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around your foe's team!
Horus's leftovers restored its health a little!
Horus restored 6% of its health.
---
Mudfinn used Waterfall.
Horus lost 22% of its health.
Horus used Brave Bird.
Mudfinn lost 33% of its health.
Horus was hit by recoil!
Horus lost 11% of its health.
Horus's leftovers restored its health a little!
Horus restored 6% of its health.
---
Mudfinn used Waterfall.
Horus lost 22% of its health.
Horus used Roost.
Horus restored 50% of its health.
Horus's leftovers restored its health a little!
Horus restored 6% of its health.
---
Mudfinn used Waterfall.
Horus lost 21% of its health.
Horus used Roost.
Horus restored 50% of its health.
Horus's leftovers restored its health a little!
Horus restored 6% of its health.
---
Mudfinn used Waterfall.
Horus lost 22% of its health.
Horus flinched!
Horus's leftovers restored its health a little!
Horus restored 6% of its health.
---
Mudfinn used Waterfall.
Horus lost 22% of its health.
Horus used Brave Bird.
Mudfinn lost 34% of its health.
Horus was hit by recoil!
Horus lost 11% of its health.
Horus's leftovers restored its health a little!
Horus restored 6% of its health.
---
Mudfinn used Earthquake.
It doesn't affect Horus...
Horus used Brave Bird.
Mudfinn lost 31% of its health.
Horus was hit by recoil!
Horus lost 10% of its health.
Horus's leftovers restored its health a little!
Horus restored 6% of its health.
---
Mudfinn used Waterfall.
Horus lost 32% of its health.
Horus used Roost.
Horus restored 50% of its health.
Horus's leftovers restored its health a little!
Horus restored 6% of its health.
---
Mudfinn used Waterfall.
Horus lost 31% of its health.
Horus flinched!
Horus's leftovers restored its health a little!
Horus restored 6% of its health.
---
Mudfinn used Waterfall.
Horus lost 30% of its health.
Horus used Brave Bird.
Mudfinn lost 1% of its health.
The DCJ713's Mudfinn fainted.
Horus was hit by recoil!
Horus lost 0% of its health.
Horus's leftovers restored its health a little!
Horus restored 6% of its health.
---
The DCJ713 switched in Dragotex (lvl 100 Dragonite ?).
Pointed stones dug into Dragotex.
Dragotex lost 25% of its health.
Dragotex used Focus Blast.
Dragotex's attack missed!
Horus used Roost.
Horus restored 50% of its health.
Horus's leftovers restored its health a little!
Horus restored 6% of its health.
---
Dragotex used Focus Blast.
Horus lost 48% of its health.
Horus's special defence was lowered.
Horus used Brave Bird.
A critical hit!
Dragotex lost 75% of its health.
The DCJ713's Dragotex fainted.
Horus was hit by recoil!
Horus lost 24% of its health.
Horus's leftovers restored its health a little!
Horus restored 6% of its health.
---
The DCJ713 switched in Bronzong (lvl 100 Bronzong).
Pointed stones dug into Bronzong.
Bronzong lost 6% of its health.
Horus used Roost.
Horus restored 50% of its health.
Bronzong used Psychic.
It's not very effective...
Horus lost 30% of its health.
Horus's leftovers restored its health a little!
Horus restored 6% of its health.
---
Horus used Roost.
Horus restored 50% of its health.
Bronzong used Psychic.
It's not very effective...
Horus lost 28% of its health.
Horus's leftovers restored its health a little!
Horus restored 6% of its health.
---
Horus used Roost.
Horus restored 35% of its health.
Bronzong used Psychic.
It's not very effective...
A critical hit!
Horus lost 56% of its health.
Horus's special defence was lowered.
Horus's leftovers restored its health a little!
Horus restored 6% of its health.
---
Horus used Roost.
Horus restored 50% of its health.
Bronzong used Psychic.
It's not very effective...
Horus lost 40% of its health.
Horus's leftovers restored its health a little!
Horus restored 6% of its health.
---
Sikh Assassin switched in Vocanic (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Bronzong used Psychic.
It's not very effective...
Vocanic lost 14% of its health.
---
The DCJ713 switched in Togekiss (lvl 100 Togekiss ?).
Pointed stones dug into Togekiss.
Togekiss lost 25% of its health.
Vocanic used Overheat.
Togekiss lost 66% of its health.
Vocanic's special attack was harshly lowered.
Togekiss's leftovers restored its health a little!
Togekiss restored 6% of its health.
---
Vocanic used Overheat.
Vocanic's attack missed!
Togekiss used Roost.
Togekiss restored 50% of its health.
Togekiss's leftovers restored its health a little!
Togekiss restored 6% of its health.
---
Sikh Assassin switched in Cerberus (lvl 100 Raikou).
Cerberus is exerting its pressure!
Togekiss used Fire Blast.
Cerberus lost 13% of its health.
Sikh Assassin's Cerberus fainted.
Togekiss's leftovers restored its health a little!
Togekiss restored 6% of its health.
---
Sikh Assassin switched in Hammerhead (lvl 100 Garchomp ?).
Hammerhead used Outrage.
Hammerhead went on a rampage!
Togekiss lost 77% of its health.
The DCJ713's Togekiss fainted.
---
The DCJ713 switched in Boquet (lvl 100 Roserade ?).
Pointed stones dug into Boquet.
Boquet lost 12% of its health.
Hammerhead is trapped!
Hammerhead used Outrage.
Boquet lost 88% of its health.
The DCJ713's Boquet fainted.
Hammerhead's rampage ended.
Hammerhead became confused!
---
The DCJ713 switched in Bronzong (lvl 100 Bronzong).
Pointed stones dug into Bronzong.
Bronzong lost 6% of its health.
Sikh Assassin switched in Vocanic (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Bronzong used Iron Defense.
Bronzong's defence was sharply raised.
---
Vocanic used Overheat.
It's super effective!
Bronzong lost 88% of its health.
The DCJ713's Bronzong fainted.
Sikh Assassin wins!
The DCJ713: GG
Sikh Assassin: GG
The DCJ713 has left the room.


I know I have flaws in my battling and don't comment on that, since I am an apprentice and still learning. But as my point stands Stealth Rock is a better choice on Skarmory. And also, I think I did very good in this match than my early matches on Shoddy Battle.
 
I´m getting very worried about Weavile. I´m thinking seriously in dropping Tangrowth and adding Bronzorg, which would help me against Weavile (and Togekiss), but I don´t know if it would do some damage with Gyarados (assuming Bronzorg has 0 IVs in Spd and Gyro Ball, but Water resists Steel...)
 
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