Stall! To the 112th Turn

[DerickNotName]

Team at a Glance:​

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Team Building:​

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Suicune is a great asset on any team due to his great defensive stats and an offensive presence. he has access to phazing and CM.
After Many Battles And Testing I decided to replace him with a flygon, because flygon has synergy with Tentacruel and Skarmory.
I wanted something that could set up toxic spikes to help suicune in stalling. Roserade is a great partner because he resists both of suicune's weaknesses and suicune resists two of his. After Using Roserade I found that he jus build weaknesses on my team, so i replaced him with tentacruel.​

Next I needed SS because it helps break sashes and do more secondary damage. Hippo is a great pokemon because he is immune to suicune's electric weakness and can set up SR as well.

Next I wanted a spiker to add to the secondary damage. Skarmory is a great candidate Due to his High Defense and phazing ability.​

Next I needed a better special wall and wish support. Blissey was a great candidate due to wish and the skarm-bliss combo.​

Next I needed a poke to kill those spinners who are trying to annoy me. Rotom Is great because he can distribute status and do many other things with his massive movepool.​

Into The Depths:​

Hippo @ Lefties
Careful Nature
252 hp/ 72 def/ 180 spD/ 4 spe
Moves:
Ice Fang-Better Coverage Against Leads
Slack Off-For Recovery
Earthquake- For STAB
Stealth Rock- Entry hazard to rack up secondary damage​

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Hippo Is A great asset on any stall team because of his awesome physical walling capabilities, phazing, SS and SR. I could replace Roar with ice fang but it's uses are quite limited.
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252 hp- For Bulk
72 def- To Take Nape CC well
180 spD- To Take Fire Blast From Nape And Draco Meteor From Nite.
4 spe- To Outspeed Fellow Hippo
Careful Nature- To Take The Foremention Pokemon's attacks better
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Flygon @ Leftovers
Timid Nature
252 hp/ 80 def / 176 spe
Moves:
Toxic-To Stall
Roost-Recovery^
Earthquake-Stab
Fire Blast- Coverage
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Flygon is Great At Distributing status and has a great recovery with roost, many people assume that all flygon's are scarfed so i can use that to my advantage to bluff one.
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252 hp- Bulk
80 def- To Survive More Physical Hits
176 spe- To Outspeed Jolly Lucario
Timid Nature-For Speed
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Tentacruel @ Leftovers
Calm Nature
252 hp/ 120 spD/ 136 spD
Moves:
HP Electric-For Taunt gyarados
Surf-STABRapid Spin-Stuff Entry Hazards :)
Toxic Spikes-To enhance stalling
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Tentacruel is great at setting up toxic spikes and is one of the best stallers in the game. HP electric is there to kill Taunt Gyarados who Otherwise would trouble my team.
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252 hp- Bulk
120 def- Bulk
120 spe- To outspeed base 80's
Calm Nature-For Better Special Walling
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Skarmory @ Lum Berry
Jolly Nature
40 hp/ 44 atk/ 144 def/ 108 spD/ 172 spe
Moves:
Drill Peck-Bye Breloom
Roost-Stall!
Taunt-Sorry Fellow Skarmory, I win
Spikes-To Set Up
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Skarmory Is A great pokemon in the sense that he can set up, kill and be a wall all in one. Taunt is mainly there to stop crocunes from setting up but it does have other uses. The Lum Berry is to switch in on spore and take out breloom in one shot with drill peck.
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40 hp- Bulk
44 atk- To Kill Loom
144 def- To Take Hits Better
68 spD-To Take Special Hits Better
172 spe-To Outspeed Loom
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Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm Nature
4 hp/ 252 def/ 252 spD
Moves:
Seismic Toss-Primary Damage
Toxic-Secondary Damge
Protect- Its Pro(tect) On This Set
Wish-Recovery for her and the team
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Protect Is to stall out toxic and assure wish recovery. Blissey Is Great On Any stall team due to her being the best special wall in the game. She Passes around wish while stalling others to death.
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4 hp- bit of bulk
252 def- To Take rachi Hits better
252 spD- To Survive More Special Hits
Calm Nature: ^
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Rotom-W @ Leftovers
Timid Nature
128 hp/ 168 spA/212 spe
Moves:
Shadow Ball-STAB
HP Fighting- 2HKO on t-tar
Charge Beam-Boosting Time
Substitute- Stalling
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Rotom is A Great Poke Due To his High Defensive stats and excellent supporting movepool. Shadow Ball And HP fighting have unresisted coverage which is great on a boosting set
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128 hp-Bulk
168 SpA- Attack
212 spe- Outspped Adamant Luke​

Timid Nature- For Speed

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[Azlanslayer]

Derick -.-, How about giving some thanks to me? i helped you on [.HIDE][./HIDE] Stuff remember?

Anyways, on the rate,

Your team is Mixape Weak, which every stall is weak too, as well as to Gliscor and to Taunt. Removing Skarmory or Hippo is better, because Hippo is there for SR + SS and Skarmory can do it but without SS.

Hippo is a great lead, but sadly he is almost outclassed by every lead >_>.. but thats my opinion, anyways its solid :D. You can remove him out of lead position for Skarmory, because Skarmory can both SR + Spikes and Hippo is like a open slot.

Good Luck!

Imma edit more, just my brain is confused

 

[DerickNotName]

Derick -.-, How about giving some thanks to me? i helped you on [.HIDE][./HIDE] Stuff remember?

Anyways, on the rate,

Your team is Mixape Weak, which every stall is weak too, as well as to Gliscor and to Taunt. Removing Skarmory or Hippo is better, because Hippo is there for SR + SS and Skarmory can do it but without SS.

Hippo is a great lead, but sadly he is almost outclassed by every lead >_>.. but thats my opinion, anyways its solid :D. You can remove him out of lead position for Skarmory, because Skarmory can both SR + Spikes and Hippo is like a open slot.

Good Luck!

Imma edit more, just my brain is confused

Ok, It is Not MixApe Weak, sorry. Hippo Walls Mixape and Suicune Kills It, No way man no way. Hippo is the worst lead out there ik, but SS needs to be up early. Skarmory Removes loom who would give me trouble otherwise. I may consider taking Ice fang Over Roar.
I could Replace suicune with tentacruel and roserade with flygon and take tenta with ice beam....I will look into That
Thanks For Rating Tho And Being Pro:)

 

[Azlanslayer]

What do you mean you ain't mixape weak? have you forgotten Grass Knot? and Plus Mixape is at Late-Game OR Mid-Game, when Hippo dies :)

And, are you online at PO? i want to test this team out against my team :)

 

[DerickNotName]

What do you mean you ain't mixape weak? have you forgotten Grass Knot? and Plus Mixape is at Late-Game OR Mid-Game, when Hippo dies :)

And, are you online at PO? i want to test this team out against my team :)

No, I Am Not Forgetting Grass Knot. And as you said hippo is outclassed by most leads so he will switch out appropriately. The evs are designed so that he takes grass knot better as well as overheat on physically based. And Sorry, I Wasn't Online Last Night, We'll Battle Tonight.

 

[-RatCheesy]

Your team would really benefit using a choice scarf Rotom-H.
Once Roserade and Skarmory are taken out a DD Taunt Gyarados could roll over your team.

Also, not to to mention you have a SD Lucario weakness. Your current Rotom is doing way too much for your team.

Rotom-H @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
Nature: Timid
Evs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 Hp
-Thunderbolt
-Will-O-Wisp/Overheat
-Shadow Ball
-Trick

 

[DerickNotName]

Your team would really benefit using a choice scarf Rotom-H.
Once Roserade and Skarmory are taken out a DD Taunt Gyarados could roll over your team.

Also, not to to mention you have a SD Lucario weakness. Your current Rotom is doing way too much for your team.

Rotom-H @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
Nature: Timid
Evs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 Hp
-Thunderbolt
-Will-O-Wisp/Overheat
-Shadow Ball
-Trick

Ok I'll Test That Out Because it is a good spin-blocker :)

 

[haunter]

No, I Am Not Forgetting Grass Knot. And as you said hippo is outclassed by most leads so he will switch out appropriately. The evs are designed so that he takes grass knot better as well as overheat on physically based. And Sorry, I Wasn't Online Last Night, We'll Battle Tonight.

What are you talking about dude? A +2 SpA mix Ape can literally OHKO every member of your team. Your Hippo takes 98.8% - 116.7% from a +2 fire blast while grass knot does 131.9% - 155.7% after the same SpA boost.

In a similar way, you're completely massacred by SD Lucario which outspeeds and OHKOs all of your Pkm after a SD (Suicune has a slight chance of surviving even after SR - 81.9% - 96.5% - but I wouldn't rely on it as you can't even OHKO Luke in return).

I see really few reasons to use Roserade over Tentacruel on this team. Use toxic spikes\rapid spin\surf\sludge bomb or hp electric and a standard EV spread of 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 SpD and a calm nature. You'll earn a solid mix Ape check while keeping toxic spikes, you'll also earn an useful rapid spinner just in case you're facing another stall team.

Dealing with Lucario will be slightly harder as it can freely set up on your Blissey. You might try a faster variant of Rotom like: 128 HP / 168 SpA / 212 Spe with a timid nature so that you can outspeed adamant Luke (jolly ones can't ohko Hippo and Suicune that easily). Btw I suggest that you use the standard boosting sweeper suggested in the analysis (charge beam\sub\shadow ball\ hp fighting) so that you can take full advantage of your entry hazards. Aslo switch its held item to leftovers.

Finally I see a slight weakness to taunt Gyarados, especially if Rotom is low on health. To fix this without changing your team, you might try hp electric on Suicune, though having it on Tentacruel might be enough as taunt Gyara rarely carries earthquake and a +1 stone edge won't ohko.

Hope this helps.

 

[TacoHawk76]

How Breloom Decimates you

Assuming Breloom with max attack, 244 speed EVs, max IVs, Adamant, Toxic Orb, with the moves Spore, Substitute, Focus Punch, Seed Bomb

Bold text is pokemon's name and breloom combating skill level

Hippowdon: cannot switch in. Both Focus Punch and Seed Bomb are 2HKOs. Best it can do is roar so it can be raped at a later place/time. Earthquake from 0 Att Hippowdon does 27.3% - 31.8%Raped - Cannot switch in

Suicune: seed bomb 2HKOs 100% of the time if your opponent got SR up. If he sleeps you on the switch, you only have ONE chance to roll a roar before he kills you (due to the outspeed). He can also only hope to roar loom out and pray. Surf from 0 SpA Suicune does 26.9% - 31.8% Raped/In the hands of fate - cannot switch in

Roserade: Outruns Breloom and OHKOs with sludge bomb, but with the spore threat and the possibility of him being behind a sub, its pretty risky. One focus punch does 67.8% - 80% to your Roserade. Outruns and OHKOs - due to Focus Punches nature, Rose is severely hurt on the swtich, but cannot be then killed once he is on the field

Skarmory: I was skeptical, but your skarm actually handles loom. Breloom spores, Lum berry screws him over, and Drill Peck kills. If they try this from behind a sub however, you lose your lum, and they switch. Adamant focus punch does 64.4% - 76.2% to your skarm. Worth noting that Standard Jolly spore punching Breloom outruns your skarm by like 10 points, but he won't be doing anything with that speed. Excells - due to Focus Punches nature, Skarm is severely hurt on the swtich, but cannot be then killed once he is on the field (provided you don't do anything stupid like roost.)

Blissey: lol. He seed bombs, knowing you'll probably spam Seismic toss in attempts to break subs and keep Focus Punch at bay. Spore also allows him to set up on you real nice like. Seed Bomb does 43.7% - 51.5% to you. Turbo raped - Possibly OHKO'd on the switch

Rotom: They 3HKO each other with appropriate attacks, but Adamant Breloom outruns you by like 6 points, and may have a sub to absorb one of those attacks. Does average - Can switch in

 

[DerickNotName]

How Breloom Decimates you

Assuming Breloom with max attack, 244 speed EVs, max IVs, Adamant, Toxic Orb, with the moves Spore, Substitute, Focus Punch, Seed Bomb

Bold text is pokemon's name and breloom combating skill level

Hippowdon: cannot switch in. Both Focus Punch and Seed Bomb are 2HKOs. Best it can do is roar so it can be raped at a later place/time. Earthquake from 0 Att Hippowdon does 27.3% - 31.8%Raped - Cannot switch in

Suicune: seed bomb 2HKOs 100% of the time if your opponent got SR up. If he sleeps you on the switch, you only have ONE chance to roll a roar before he kills you (due to the outspeed). He can also only hope to roar loom out and pray. Surf from 0 SpA Suicune does 26.9% - 31.8% Raped/In the hands of fate - cannot switch in

Roserade: Outruns Breloom and OHKOs with sludge bomb, but with the spore threat and the possibility of him being behind a sub, its pretty risky. One focus punch does 67.8% - 80% to your Roserade. Outruns and OHKOs - due to Focus Punches nature, Rose is severely hurt on the swtich, but cannot be then killed once he is on the field

Skarmory: I was skeptical, but your skarm actually handles loom. Breloom spores, Lum berry screws him over, and Drill Peck kills. If they try this from behind a sub however, you lose your lum, and they switch. Adamant focus punch does 64.4% - 76.2% to your skarm. Worth noting that Standard Jolly spore punching Breloom outruns your skarm by like 10 points, but he won't be doing anything with that speed. Excells - due to Focus Punches nature, Skarm is severely hurt on the swtich, but cannot be then killed once he is on the field (provided you don't do anything stupid like roost.)

Blissey: lol. He seed bombs, knowing you'll probably spam Seismic toss in attempts to break subs and keep Focus Punch at bay. Spore also allows him to set up on you real nice like. Seed Bomb does 43.7% - 51.5% to you. Turbo raped - Possibly OHKO'd on the switch

Rotom: They 3HKO each other with appropriate attacks, but Adamant Breloom outruns you by like 6 points, and may have a sub to absorb one of those attacks. Does average - Can switch in

No Offense Dude, I Really Don't Know What Ur Going On About?
Thanks For Rating Tho :)

What are you talking about dude? A +2 SpA mix Ape can literally OHKO every member of your team. Your Hippo takes 98.8% - 116.7% from a +2 fire blast while grass knot does 131.9% - 155.7% after the same SpA boost.

In a similar way, you're completely massacred by SD Lucario which outspeeds and OHKOs all of your Pkm after a SD (Suicune has a slight chance of surviving even after SR - 81.9% - 96.5% - but I wouldn't rely on it as you can't even OHKO Luke in return).

I see really few reasons to use Roserade over Tentacruel on this team. Use toxic spikes\rapid spin\surf\sludge bomb or hp electric and a standard EV spread of 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 SpD and a calm nature. You'll earn a solid mix Ape check while keeping toxic spikes, you'll also earn an useful rapid spinner just in case you're facing another stall team.

Dealing with Lucario will be slightly harder as it can freely set up on your Blissey. You might try a faster variant of Rotom like: 128 HP / 168 SpA / 212 Spe with a timid nature so that you can outspeed adamant Luke (jolly ones can't ohko Hippo and Suicune that easily). Btw I suggest that you use the standard boosting sweeper suggested in the analysis (charge beam\sub\shadow ball\ hp fighting) so that you can take full advantage of your entry hazards. Aslo switch its held item to leftovers.

Finally I see a slight weakness to taunt Gyarados, especially if Rotom is low on health. To fix this without changing your team, you might try hp electric on Suicune, though having it on Tentacruel might be enough as taunt Gyara rarely carries earthquake and a +1 stone edge won't ohko.

Thanks Dude, You Were So right, I Have Dealed With Luke By Using A Faster Flygon That Can Survivea +2 Extremespeed easily, also you're right about tenta, he does better than roserade and helps fix my weakness. I think two elec moves is enough to take gyarados out, i will look into that. And i'm Sorry, why is ape +2. I'm confused :(
Thanks, Thats Helpful Advice Certainly

 

[SmileZ]

Ape is plus 2 Due to his Nasty Plotting. Shneaky..

TacoHawk76 is telling you what Breloom can do to your team when used correctly. I think he's roundabout telling you that as long as you don't act like a retard with with Skarm he can defeat Loom juust about.

Haunter pretty much patched up the holes any way. I say keep Roar on Hippo. Once those spikes are up, If you know your opponents team and don't mind sac-ing him, he can roar for around 37% damage on a lot of OU until he's dead. Nothing beats beats the feeling of destroying a team with Roar.

Good luck with the team ;)

 

[mtr]

Why are you using Hippowdon with SubCharge Rotom? With Sand Stream in effect you fail to set up as many Charge Beams, and have no chance of beating Blissey. I suggest you use Swampert instead.

 

[TacoHawk76]

Swampert instead of whom, mtr?

Without hippowdon, he loses sandstorm, a very important stall element. Without Rotom, he loses a spin blocker, another very important stall element. I think he should just not use subcharge rotom. Rotom has no recovery (barring Blis's wishes), but you, OP want him to use Substitute? In a sandstorm? When his death could mean the spinning of your rocks/spikes/Tspikes?

 

[DerickNotName]

Swampert instead of whom, mtr?

Without hippowdon, he loses sandstorm, a very important stall element. Without Rotom, he loses a spin blocker, another very important stall element. I think he should just not use subcharge rotom. Rotom has no recovery (barring Blis's wishes), but you, OP want him to use Substitute? In a sandstorm? When his death could mean the spinning of your rocks/spikes/Tspikes?

Well, Rotom's Gonna Die Anyway Eventually. If I see Someone Hunting Him Ill Call Back but most of the time, teams dont have spinners anyway. So There is not really any point making an entirely dedicated spinner.
But i think you are right, I need to find a better set, i will look into that

Maybe i could Take:
Same Evs spread/nature
Rest
Sleep Talk
Blizzard
Charge Beam