Wait, is that before or after a Power Trick?
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Move Sticky Web
- Thread starter Haruno
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Huh, never thought I'd see the day non-Power Trick Shuckle would be dealing LEGITIMATE DAMAGE to things. Much less things he can't do much to normally.
I'd like to point out how sticky web and stealth rock both have more pp than magic coat. So you can just keep pressing sr/sb to victory against magic coat.
Uh these calcs are amazingly wrong
Using the smogon damage calculator, 0 atk shuckle does a maximum of 80 damage to 0 def Xatu. That's like 25%. Even 252 atk Adamant Shuckle doesn't guarantee a 2HKO.
I got similar results by calculating manually.
I don't know what you did wrong. But there is no way something with 56 attack is doing any threatening damage to anything else anytime soon.
Are Shuckle/Ariados/Galvantula the only known users of the move right now?
Encore and Final Gambit would be the best moves for Shuckle to use in the last two slots. Encore foils setup and Sub users and Final Gambit allows you to protect your hazards against spinners if you can activate Custap Berry. Also, Shuckle has the option to use Mental Herb to deal with Taunt leads such as Skarmory. Set up a hazard as he Taunts first turn, and the second turn either setup the other hazard if you think it won't go for the Taunt again, or just use Final Gambit if you think he will Taunt for a second time, leaving him with Sturdy broken and no hazards at all.
I think you guys are neglecting to mention that Shuckle is also a terrifying Contrary user. It reaches a terrifying 69 Speed uninvested after switching into Sticky Web. This allows it to be outsped be the entire unboosted metagame with ease.
Seriously though, the move looks like it will turn the metagame on its head (which somewhat fittingly improves Malamar's viability). Any non-grounded or clear body/contrary offensive Pokemon is at a huge advantage compared to their grounded counterparts. However, the fact that it can still be spun away like any other hazard is pretty big.
Seriously though, the move looks like it will turn the metagame on its head (which somewhat fittingly improves Malamar's viability). Any non-grounded or clear body/contrary offensive Pokemon is at a huge advantage compared to their grounded counterparts. However, the fact that it can still be spun away like any other hazard is pretty big.
It's worth remembering that the Flying Pokemon that bypass Sticky Web, like with Spikes and Toxic Spikes, tend to be more vulnerable to Stealth Rock, which has always been a really big deal. Pokemon that don't have Levitate tend to end up vulnerable to entry hazards in some form, unless they've got pretty specific typing like Gliscor or Skarmory.
Since this technically does damage, Taunt shouldn't work on it and neither would magic bounce/mirror. There is nothing that can be done to prevent it from being used, you can only spin it out.
I don't understand how lowering Speed does damage?
Does it deal damage and cast the webs as a secondary effect?
Because that would be the only plausible reason taunt doesn't work on it. Stealth rock does [residual] damage, but taunt works on it.
Edit: Answered below, I see now.
Edit2: Maybe not the case
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It doesn't. The move itself does damage, bypassing Taunt. It's very similar to Rapid Spin in this regard. It's a 20 power physical bug move. It doesn't damage switch-ins after it is used.
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I haven't heard this about Sticky Web. So it does damage AND lowers speed? Like a Spikes-esque type of damage where you get hurt when you switch in? Because Taunt would work on it in that case, it would only not work if it was a move like Rapid Spin where the secondary affect would be laying the hazard down.
Sticky Web itself seems to be a 20 BP Bug-type attack. The speed-lowering hazard is a secondary effect, so Taunt may not stop it from being laid down. Can someone test this?
If you look at the picture that proved Galvantula can learn it, you'll notice it doesn't have a base power, meaning it doesn't deal damage.
But why is it a physical move and not a status move, then? It has the symbol for a physical move. Check the OP.
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That is the status move symbol. The physical move symbol is red with a kind of explosion, star shaped thing in the center.
Anyone try getting Sticky Web on Scyther using Galvantula?
Vryheid
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I tried getting it on Scyther using Ariados and it didn't work. Shouldn't be any different for Galvantula.
Scyther doesn't get any moves passed down from Ariados. But it does get Bug Buzz from Galvantula.
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