Gen 6 Suicune (Done)

[ez]

[OVERVIEW]

With a great defensive typing and amazing natural bulk, Suicune acts as a solid bulky Calm Mind sweeper as well as a check to common foes like Gliscor and Heatran. Suicune's ability Pressure allows it to outlast a large range of Pokemon that could otherwise wall it, which includes Chansey, Gastrodon, Quagsire, and Clefable, as well as stall out moves with low PP like Leaf Storm from Serperior. Suicune is also able to beat other bulky Calm Mind users thanks to Pressure as well as its access to Roar. Suicune does, however, struggle to consistently take on attacks due to its lack of recovery outside of Leftovers and Rest, which leaves leaving it passive for two turns if it is lacking Sleep Talk. Suicune also lacks a large movepool, making it very predictable.

[SET]
name: Substitute + Protect
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Protect
move 4: Scald
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 40 SpD / 216 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
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Calm Mind allows Suicune to break through defensive cores while also getting bulkier. Substitute allows it to avoid status moves like Will-O-Wisp, Thunder Wave, Toxic, and Leech Seed. Substitute also helps Suicune against critical hits, which is useful against strong attacks and other Calm Mind users like Clefable. Substitute pairs very well with Protect to PP stall foes' moves like Leaf Storm from Serperior and Power Whip from Ferrothorn. Protect allows Suicune to scout moves from foes and get additional turns of recovery from Leftovers, which is important considering that Leftovers acts as Suicune's only form of recovery. Scald deals damage and has a nice benefit of a chance to burn foes.

Set Details
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252 HP EVs give Suicune exactly 404 HP, which means Seismic Toss from foes like Chansey cannot break its Substitute. 216 Speed EVs with a Timid nature allow Suicune to outspeed Heatran, defensive Excadrill, defensive Garchomp, Zapdos, Bisharp, and Metagross before it Mega Evolves. 40 SpD EVs allow Suicune to better take on special attacks, notably preventing Amoonguss from breaking its Substitute and also giving its Substitute a chance to withstand a Volt Switch from Rotom-W after one Calm Mind boost. Leftovers is mandatory, as it acts as Suicune's only way of recovery.

Usage Tips
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Suicune must avoid being statused, especially by burn or Toxic, as this set does not have reliable recovery or a way to remove status effects. Since Leftovers is its only form of recovery, it does not want it to be removed by Knock Off or other moves like Trick. Suicune finds setup opportunities on defensive foes that cannot threaten it, like Heatran and non-Thunderbolt Clefable, as well as foes Choice-locked into moves that cannot threaten it, which include Choice Specs Keldeo locked into Scald and Choice Scarf Magnezone locked into Hidden Power Fire or Flash Cannon. Utilize Pressure to stall out low PP moves with Substitute and Protect like Leaf Storm from Serperior and Power Whip from Ferrothorn. Protect can also be useful against Choice item users like Choice Scarf Magnezone, Tyranitar, and Excadrill.

Team Options
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Pursuit users like Mega Metagross, Tyranitar, and Weavile are able to remove Latios and Mega Latias, both of which resist Suicune's Scald. Tyranitar and Weavile can also check Electric-types like Thundurus and Zapdos with Stone Edge and Icicle Crash. Do be aware of Tyranitar's summoned sand hindering Suicune's recovery. Status absorbers like Gliscor and Clefable are good partners to take on the likes of Will-O-Wisp and Toxic. Heatran can help Suicune deal with Grass-types like Serperior and Ferrothorn while also having access to utility moves like Stealth Rock. Latios can remove entry hazards, which chip away at Suicune, and also deal with Electric-types like Rotom-W and Thundurus. Latias does the same but also provides Healing Wish support to remove status and heal Suicune to full health. Clefable is another helpful Healing Wish user. Tornadus-T can help Suicune deal with Grass-types like Serperior as well as provide Knock Off and U-turn support. Magnezone is a good partner, as it has the ability to remove Ferrothorn, which could otherwise absorb Suicune's Scald and threaten it with Power Whip.

[SET]
name: Defensive Calm Mind
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Scald
move 3: Rest
move 4: Roar / Sleep Talk
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Scald dishes out damage while also having a nice chance to cripple foes with a burn. Rest provides Suicune recovery but has the downside of putting it to sleep for two turns. Calm Mind makes Suicune bulkier and makes it easier to break through defensive cores and sweep. Roar is useful to phaze setup users like Calm Mind Mega Slowbro and Clefable. Alternatively, Sleep Talk gives Suicune a chance to use Scald to burn foes or set up another Calm Mind while it sleeps due to Rest.

Set Details
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Maximum HP and Defense investment allows Suicune to be as bulky as possible and better at taking on physical attackers like Mega Metagross, Excadrill, Gliscor, Mega Scizor, Weavile, and Landorus-T. Leftovers allows Suicune to stay healthy and reduces the need to use Rest. Pressure is Suicune's only legal ability and helps it win setup wars with other Calm Mind users like Clefable as well as stall out defensive Pokemon like Quagsire and Gastrodon. 20 EVs can be taken from Defense and put into Speed to allow Suicune to outspeed Rotom-W so it can use Calm Mind before Rotom-W uses Volt Switch. 20 Speed EVs also allow Suicune to outspeed Adamant Crawdaunt and some variants of specially defensive Heatran.

Usage Tips
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Roar should be used to phaze out foes that want to set up like Calm Mind Clefable, force switch-ins to take entry hazard damage, and scout out movesets early-game. Suicune should spam Scald early-game to spread burns on common switch-ins like Ferrothorn and Latios to cripple them. Rest should be used to help Suicune remove a status aliment like burn, Toxic poison, or paralysis and to help it stay healthy. Calm Mind should be used late-game to allow Suicune break through and sweep teams when all its checks are eliminated or weakened.

Team Options
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Skarmory can provide Spikes for Suicune, which is a good combination with Roar to force chip damage. Ferrothorn also has access to Spikes and can take strong attacks that Skarmory cannot, like Draco Meteor from Choice Specs Latios and Thunder Punch from Mega Metagross. It also appreciates Suicune's ability to resist Fire-type moves. Heatran can provide Stealth Rock support and take on Grass-types like Serperior and Ferrothorn that can check Suicune. Mega Latias can deal with Electric-types that threaten Suicune like Thundurus and Zapdos. Tornadus-T helps Suicune deal with Grass-types like Serperior while also providing utility via Knock Off and U-turn. Tyranitar can remove Latios and Latias, which resist Suicune's Scald, while also removing entry hazard removers to make Roar more effective. Fire-types like Mega Charizard Y and Heatran can take on Grass-types and cripple opposing Water-types like Gastrodon via Solar Beam or Toxic, respectively. Excadrill is able to spin away entry hazards that could wear down Suicune, resist Fairy-type attacks from the likes of Clefable, deal with Flying-types like Tornadus-T and Zapdos via Toxic or Rock Slide, and take on Electric-type attacks from the likes of Magnezone. Clefable can form a Calm Mind core with Suicune while also checking certain Electric-types like Thundurus.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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There are not many other options for Suicune to run, as they are all subpar at best. Toxic can be used to wear down bulky Water-types like Gastrodon and Rotom-W. Rest can be used with Substitute, but this doesn't leave space for moves like Sleep Talk.

Checks and Counters
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**Electric-types**: Thundurus can take a few Scalds from Suicune and threaten it back with Thunderbolt. Magnezone can also take Scald from Suicune and hit it back with Thunderbolt or use Volt Switch to gain momentum. However, neither can consistently switch into Scald, especially if it lands a burn. Zapdos and Rotom-W do not mind switching into Suicune and hit it super effectively, but they cannot beat it one-on-one as it sets up with Calm Mind.

**Grass-types**: Ferrothorn resists Scald and threatens Suicune with Power Whip or Leech Seed if it lacks Substitute. Serperior can threaten Suicune with Leaf Storm and boost past its Calm Mind boosts thanks to its ability Contrary. Serperior can, however, be PP stalled out of Leaf Storm thanks to Pressure, especially if Suicune has Protect and Substitute. Amoonguss can take Scald easily and remove Suicune's Calm Mind boosts with Clear Smog if it does not run Substitute. Mega Venusaur can threaten Suicune with Giga Drain while also resisting its Scald, but it does lose to Suicune if it gets enough boosts with Calm Mind.

**Strong Offensive Foes**: Strong offensive Pokemon like Mega Medicham, Thunder Punch Mega Metagross, and Choice Specs Latios, and Choice Specs Keldeo can all overload Suicune, making it tough for it to switch in.

**Knock Off**: Knock Off users like Bisharp, Weavile, and Clefable can all make Suicune easier to wear down by removing its Leftovers, especially if it lacks Rest.

**Setup Sweepers**: Manaphy can set up on Suicune with Tail Glow and threaten it with Energy Ball. Mega Altaria can set up with Dragon Dance on Suicune, resists its Scald, and can remove any burns that Scald may inflict with Heal Bell. Calm Mind Mega Slowbro can set up Calm Mind with Suicune and threaten it with Psyshock. Mega Latias can also set up Calm Mind with Suicune and use Thunderbolt or Psyshock to beat it.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[ez, 233669]]
- Quality checked by: [[Vulpix03, 306299], [jonfilch, 472436]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429], [Estronic, 240732]]

 

[Savouras]

in Overview i think although the movepool is kinda lacking and in a way it may seem predictable, its hard to immediately tell which Suicune set it is between Roarcune, Crocune or substitute making it hard to predict and often catch you offguard and sweep so id say we change the last line into something else.

Sub CM - Set Details

In the Base 80 Speed pokes mention dont include Mega Venusaur which never invests much speed.
You can talk about Heatran (although in this current meta its usually spdef with little speed) Tank Garchomp, most variants of bulky excadrill, pokemons like ada Medicham and Metagross who need 1 turn to evolve to get the extra speed, Zapdos, Bisharp and more.

Usage tips

All Ferrothorns run Powerwhip, change it to something like scald locked specs keldeo or maybe scizor

Team Options

You can mention Tornadus-T, one of the best Knock off users to support Suicune against opposing CM pokemons and balance in general that will then get hit hard and lose to a scald burning suicune.

RoarCune - Set

Suicune without CM isnt viable, remove Sleep Talk from Roarcune and make a third set below this named CroCune which is exactly the same EVs and moves but has Sleep Talk over Roar.

Moves

First line in CM pokes mention Mega Slowbro next to Clef, its quite important to know that this set beats standard psyshock mega slowbro.

Last line replace the Sleep Talk information with something else.

Set Details

In the 20 EVs speed mention since Rotom-W often runs alot more speed lately you can keep it but add an example of maybe Spdef Heatran and Adamant Crawdaunt to give more pokemons that you could outspeed making it more appealin.

Usage Tips

Mention how Roaring into Hazards can be very beneficial to gain damage or even scouting sets early.

Team Options

For Ferrothorn mention how it can yum attacks from Specs Latios and Thunder Punch Metagross that a Skarm Suicune core would struggle to do but from the other hand Skarmory is ground immune makin it better versus Excadrill and Garchomp but also has Whirlwind of its own and Taunt which has excellent synergy with Suicune against hazard setting offense, opposing CMs and status against fat.

You can mention Fire types like Charizard Y and Heatran that not only hit grass types hard but have options like Solarbeam and Toxic for opposing Water types and do great against non electric Clefables.

Metagross and Bulky Excadrill are also great partners having tools like Pursuit, Priority and hazard control aswell as hit Clefable, Tornadus T and Zapdos with super effective attacks or status.
Excadrill is excellent versus Magnezone too that Suicune often loses momentum against and fails to setup.

Overall looks good, ill QC after you add these changes and include a third set for CroCune.

 

[Vulpix03]

SUB Tect Moves: When talking about Sub you should mention that it is primarily used to pp stall opponents in conjunction with protect. A common example of this is power whip ferro.

Rest Talk

Moves: "Alternatively, Sleep Talk could be run which is a good combination with Rest as it gives Suicune a chance to use Scald to burn foes or Roar to phase out opponents during its sleep turn."
I don't think you should mention roar with sleep talk, since you run one or the other.

Set Details: I think it's worth mentioning gliscor when listing the things bold suicune is good against.

after that QC 1/2

 

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Subcm
Moves: Protect is useful for healing with Leftovers since this Suicune doesn’t have rest.

Team Options:
mention mega metagross with pursuit as vincune often fits on offensive teams. Magnezone is a good partner for its ability to trap ferrothorn. Healing Wish users like latias/clefable work well with vincune

Rest
Team options:

Mention clefable can form a calm mind core and helps check electric types.

Other Options:
Remove ice beam and chesto berry they arent viable optios. You can mention sub with rest here

Checks and Counters:

Electric-types: only rotom/zapdos dont mind switching into suicune whereas the other 2 just force out suicune

QC 2/2 after the changes

 

[Adeleine]

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[OVERVIEW]

With a great defensive typing as well as and amazing natural bulk, Suicune acts as a solid bulky Calm Mind setup sweeper as well as a check to common foes like Gliscor and Heatran. Suicune's ability Pressure allows it to outlast a large range of Pokemon that could otherwise wall it, (AC) which includes Chansey, Gastrodon, Quagsire, and Clefable, (AC) as well as stall out moves with low PP like Leaf Storm from Serperior. Suicune is also able to beat other bulky Calm Mind users thanks to its ability Pressure as well as its access to the move Roar. Suicune does, (AC) however, (AC) struggle to consistently take on attacks due to its lack of recovery outside of Leftovers and Rest, (AC) which can hinder it as it sleeps for 2 turns leaves leaving it passive for 2 turns if it is lacking Sleep Talk. Suicune also lacks a large movepool, (AC) making it very predictable.

[SET]
name: Substitute + Protect
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Protect
move 4: Scald
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 40 SpD / 216 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Calm Mind boost Suicune's special attack and defense allowing it breakthrough allows Suicune to break through defensive cores while also getting bulkier. Substitute allows Suicune it to avoid status moves like Will-O-Wisp, Thunder Wave, Toxic, and Leech Seed. Substitute also helps Suicune against critical hits, which is useful versus strong attacks or other Calm Mind users like Clefable. Substitute pairs very well with Protect as it is used to PP stall opponent's foes' moves like Leaf Storm from Serperior of or Power Whip from Ferrothorn. Protect allows Suicune to scout moves from foes (RC) while also giving and get additional turns of recovery from Leftovers, (AC) which is important as it Leftovers acts as Suicune's only form of recovery. Scald is Suicune's main and only way to do damage while also having deals damage and has a nice benefit of having a chance to burn foes.

Set Details
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252 HP EVs give Suicune exactly 404 HP, which means Seismic Toss from foes like Chansey cannot break its Substitute. 216 Speed EVs with a Timid nature allows Suicune to outspeed Heatran, defensive Excadrill, defensive Garchomp, Zapdos, Bisharp, and Mega Metagross before it mega evolve Mega Evolves. 40 SpD EVs allow Suicune to better take on special attacks, (AC) and prevent notably preventing Amoonguss from breaking its Substitute and also gives it's Subistute a chance to live giving its Substitute a chance to withstand a Volt Switch from Rotom-W after one Calm Mind boost. Leftovers are is mandatory, as it acts as Suicune's only way of recovery.

Usage Tips
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This Suicune set must avoid being statused, (AC) especially by the likes of burns and toxic burn and Toxic, (AC) as this set does not have reliable recovery or a way to remove status effects. This set only form of recovery is through Suicune's item Leftovers, meaning Since Leftovers is its only form of recovery, it does not want its item removed by the likes of trick or primarily Knock Off or other moves like Trick. Suicune finds set up opportunity setup opportunities on defensive foes that cannot threaten it, (AC) like Heatran (RC) and non-Thunderbolt Clefable, as well as foes choice locked Choice-locked into moves that cannot threaten it, (AC) which includes Choice Specs Keldeo locked into Scald or and Choice Scarf Magnezone locked into Hidden Power Fire or Flash Cannon. Utilize Suicune's ability pressure by stalling Pressure to stall out low PP moves with SUbsitute Substitute and Protect like Leaf Storm from Serperior or Power Whips from Ferrothorn. Protect can also be useful against Choice Item item users like Choice Scarf Magnezone, Tyranitar, and Excadrill.

Team Options
========

Pursuit users like Mega Metagross, Tyranitar, (AC) and Weavile are able to remove Latios and Mega Latias, (AC) which can both resist Suicune's Scald. They Tyranitar and Weavile (if you meant to include MMeta too: "These three can also check Electric-types like Thundurus and Zapdos with moves like Stone Edge and Icicle Crash.") can also both check Electric-types like Thundurus and Zapdos with Stone Edge from Tyranitar and Icicle Crash from Weavile. Do be aware of Tyranitar's ability to set up the sand which hinders summoned sand hindering Suicune's recovery. Status absorbers like Gliscor and Clefable are good partners as they can to take on the likes of Will-O-Wisp and Toxic for Suicune. Heatran can help Suicune deal with Grass-types like Serperior and Ferrothorn while also having access to utility support moves like Stealth Rocks. Latios can remove entry hazards, (AC) like Spikes and Stealth Rocks which can chip away at Suicune, (AC) and can also deal with Electric-types foes like Rotom-W and Thundurus. Latias shares a similar role as Latios in the sense that it can remove entry hazards as well as resist Electric-type attacks, but it can also provide does the same but also provides Healing Wish support to remove status as well as healing and heal Suicune to full. Clefable is another helpful Healing Wish user. Tornadus-T can help Suicune deal with Grass-types like Serperior as well as provide Knock Off and U-turn support. Magnezone is a good partner, (AC) as it has the ability to remove Ferrothorn, (AC) who which could otherwise absorb up Suicune's attack Scald and threaten it with a Power Whip. Healing Wish users like Clefable or Latias also work well with Suicune as it can heal it up as well as remove any status aliments it may have.

[SET]
name: Defensive Calm Mind
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Scald
move 3: Rest
move 4: Roar / Sleep Talk
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Scald acts as Suicune's main STAB move as well as its main way to dishes out damage while also having a nice niche of having a chance to burn and cripple the foes. cripple foes with a burn. Rest is the only move that Suicune learns which provides Recovery provides Suicune recovery but has the downside of putting it to sleep for two turns. Calm Mind is used to boost Suicune's Special Attack and Defense allowing it to be bulkier as well as making makes Suicune bulkier and makes it easier to break through defensive cores and act as a setup sweeper sweep. Roar allows Suicune to phase out foes which is useful versus is useful to phaze setup (was "set up") users like Calm Mind Mega Slowbro and Clefable from using Calm Mind. Alternatively, Sleep Talk could be run which is a good combination with Rest as it gives Suicune a chance to use Scald to burn foes or set up another Calm Mind while it sleeps from Rest.

Set Details
========

Maximum HP and Defensive Defense investment allows Suicune to be as bulky as possible and to better take on physical attackers like Mega Metagross, Excadrill, Gliscor, Mega Scizor, Weavile, and Landorus-T. Leftovers provide passive recovery for Suicune allowing it allows Suicune to stay healthy and relieves the pressure of reduces the need to use Rest. Pressure is Suicune's only legal ability and is used to help Suicune win set up helps it win setup wars with other Calm Mind users like Clefable as well as stalling stall out defensive Pokemon like Quagsire and Gastrodon. 20 Speed EVs can be taken from Defense and put into Speed to allow Suine Suicune to outspeed Rotom-W so it can use Calm Mind before Rotom-W uses Volt Switch. 20 Speed EVs also allow Suicune to outspeed Adamant Crawdaunt as well as variants of Specially defensive Heatran as well. and some variants of specially defensive Heatran. (if you meant that specially defensive Heatran sometimes runs enough Speed to outspeed 20 Speed Suicune, keep as is. If you meant 20 Speed Suicune outspeeds all specially defensive Heatran, remove the "some variants of" part.)

Usage Tips
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Roar should be used to phase out opponents phaze out foes that want to set up like Calm Mind Clefable, (AC) and force switch-ins to take entry hazard damage, (AC) or to scout out movesets early-game. Suicune should spam Scald early-game to spread burns on common switch-ins like Ferrothorn and Latios to cripple them. Rest should be used to help Suicune remove a status aliment like a burn, Toxic, or paralysis and to help it stay healthy. Calm Mind should be used late-game as a way to allow Suicune to allow Suicune break through and sweep teams when all its checks are eliminated or weakened.

Team Options
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Skarmory can provide Spikes for Suicune, (AC) which is a good combination with Roar as it can phase out foes forcing them to get chipped by to force chip from entry hazards. Ferrothorn shares a similar role with Skarmory in the sense that it also has access to Spikes while also being able to take attacks from Strong Attackers and can take strong attacks that Skarmory cannot, (AC) like Draco Meteor from Choice Specs Latios as well as and Thunder Punch from Mega Metagross which Skarmory cannot do. It also appreciates Suicune's ability to resist Fire-type moves. Heatran can provide Stealth Rocks as well as and take on Grass-types like Serperior and Ferrothorn who that can check Suicune. Mega Latias can deal with Electric-types that can threaten Suicune like Thundurus and Zapdos. Tornadus-T can helps Suicune deal with Grass-types like Serperior while also providing utility support via Knock Off and U-turn. Tyranitar can remove Latios and Latias, (AC) that which resist Suicune's Scald, (AC) while also removing the hazard remover making entry hazard removers to make Roar more effective. Fire-types like Mega Charizard Y as well as and Heatran can take on Grass-types and can also cripple other water-types opposing Water-types like Gastrodon via Solar Beam from Mega Charizard Y or Toxic, respectively from Heatran. Excadrill is able to spin off away entry hazards that could wear down Suicune, resist Fairy-type attacks from the likes of Clefable, (AC) as well as deal with Flying-types like Tornadus-T and Zapdos via Toxic or Rock Slide, and can take on Electric-type attacks from the likes of Magnezone. Clefable can form a Calm Mind core with Suiune well Suicune while also also checking certain Electric-types, (AC) like Thundurus.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
========

There are not many other options for Suicune to run, (AC) as they are all subpar at best. Toxic can be used to wear down bulky Water-types like Gastrodon and Rotom-W. Rest can be used with Subsistute but does have to be wary of the two turns that Suicune will asleep for especially with no Substitute, but this doesn't leave space for moves like Sleep Talk.

Checks and Counters
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**Electric-types**: Thundurus can take a few Scalds from Suicune and threaten it back with a Thunderbolt. Magnezone can also take Scalds from Suicune and can hit it back with a Thunderbolt or use Volt Switch to gain momentum. However, can not neither can consistently switch into Scald, (AC) especially if it lands a burn. Zapdos and Rotom-W do not mind switching into Suicune while also hitting it with super-effective Electric-type moves and hit it super effectively, but they cannot beat it one-on-one as it sets up Calm Minds.

**Grass-types**: Ferrothorn can resists Scald and threaten it threatens Suicune with a Power Whip, (AC) or Leech Seed if Suicune it lacks Substitute. Serperior can threaten Suicune with a Leaf Storm and can boost past its Calm Mind thanks to its ability Contrary. Serperior can, however, be PP stalled (removed hyphen) out of Leaf Storm thanks to Pressure, (AC) especially if Suicune has Protect and Substitute. Amoonguss can take Scald easily and remove Suicune's Calm Mind boosts with Clear Smog if it does not run Substitute. Mega Venusaur can threaten Suicune with Giga Drains while also resisting its Scald, (AC) but it does lose to Suicune if it gets enough Calm Minds.

**Strong Offensive Foes**: Strong offensive Pokemon like Mega Medicham, Thunder Punch Mega Metagross, and Choice Specs Latios and Keldeo can all overload Suicune, (AC) making it tough for it to switch in. Knock Off users, like Bisharp, Weavile, and Clefable can all cripple Suicune making it easier to wear down.

**Knock Off**: Knock Off users like Bisharp, Weavile, and Clefable can all make Suicune easier to wear down by removing its Leftovers, especially if it lacks Rest.

**Setup Sweepers**: Manaphy can set up on Suicune with Tail Glow and threaten it with an Energy Ball. Mega Altaria can Dragon Dance on Suicune, resist its Scald, and Heal Bell off remove any burns that Scald may inflict with Heal Bell. Calm Mind Mega Slowbro can set up Calm Mind with Suicune and threaten it with a Psyshock. Mega Latias can also set up Calm Mind with Suicune and use Thunderbolt or Psyshock to beat it.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[ez, 233669]]
- Quality checked by: [[Vulpix03, 306299], [jonfilch, 472436]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429], [, ]]

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[OVERVIEW]

With a great defensive typing and amazing natural bulk, Suicune acts as a solid bulky Calm Mind sweeper as well as a check to common foes like Gliscor and Heatran. Suicune's ability Pressure allows it to outlast a large range of Pokemon that could otherwise wall it, which includes Chansey, Gastrodon, Quagsire, and Clefable, as well as stall out moves with low PP like Leaf Storm from Serperior. Suicune is also able to beat other bulky Calm Mind users thanks to Pressure as well as its access to Roar. Suicune does, however, struggle to consistently take on attacks due to its lack of recovery outside of Leftovers and Rest, which leaves leaving it passive for 2 two turns if it is lacking Sleep Talk. Suicune also lacks a large movepool, making it very predictable.

[SET]
name: Substitute + Protect
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Protect
move 4: Scald
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 40 SpD / 216 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
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Calm Mind allows Suicune to break through defensive cores while also getting bulkier. Substitute allows it to avoid status moves like Will-O-Wisp, Thunder Wave, Toxic, and Leech Seed. Substitute also helps Suicune against critical hits, which is useful versus against strong attacks or and other Calm Mind users like Clefable. Substitute pairs very well with Protect to PP stall foes' moves like Leaf Storm from Serperior or and Power Whip from Ferrothorn. Protect allows Suicune to scout moves from foes and get additional turns of recovery from Leftovers, which is important as considering that Leftovers acts as Suicune's only form of recovery. Scald deals damage and has a nice benefit of a chance to burn foes.

Set Details
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252 HP EVs give Suicune exactly 404 HP, which means Seismic Toss from foes like Chansey cannot break its Substitute. 216 Speed EVs with a Timid nature allow Suicune to outspeed Heatran, defensive Excadrill, defensive Garchomp, Zapdos, Bisharp, and Mega Metagross before it Mega Evolves. 40 SpD EVs allow Suicune to better take on special attacks, notably preventing Amoonguss from breaking its Substitute and also giving its Substitute a chance to withstand a Volt Switch from Rotom-W after one Calm Mind boost. Leftovers is mandatory, as it acts as Suicune's only way of recovery.

Usage Tips
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Suicune must avoid being statused, especially by burn and or Toxic, as this set does not have reliable recovery or a way to remove status effects. Since Leftovers is its only form of recovery, it does not want its item it to be removed by Knock Off or other moves like Trick. Suicune finds setup opportunities on defensive foes that cannot threaten it, like Heatran and non-Thunderbolt Clefable, as well as foes Choice-locked into moves that cannot threaten it, which include Choice Specs Keldeo locked into Scald and Choice Scarf Magnezone locked into Hidden Power Fire or Flash Cannon. Utilize Pressure to stall out low PP moves with Substitute and Protect like Leaf Storm from Serperior or and Power Whip from Ferrothorn. Protect can also be useful against Choice item users like Choice Scarf Magnezone, Tyranitar, and Excadrill.

Team Options
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Pursuit users like Mega Metagross, Tyranitar, and Weavile are able to remove Latios and Mega Latias, which both of which resist Suicune's Scald. Tyranitar and Weavile can also check Electric-types like Thundurus and Zapdos with Stone Edge and Icicle Crash. Do be aware of Tyranitar's summoned sand hindering Suicune's recovery. Status absorbers like Gliscor and Clefable are good partners to take on the likes of Will-O-Wisp and Toxic. Heatran can help Suicune deal with Grass-types like Serperior and Ferrothorn while also having access to utility moves like Stealth Rock. Latios can remove entry hazards, which chip away at Suicune, and can also deal with Electric-types like Rotom-W and Thundurus. Latias does the same but also provides Healing Wish support to remove status and heal Suicune to full health. Clefable is another helpful Healing Wish user. Tornadus-T can help Suicune deal with Grass-types like Serperior as well as provide Knock Off and U-turn support. Magnezone is a good partner, as it has the ability to remove Ferrothorn, which could otherwise absorb Suicune's Scald and threaten it with a Power Whip.

[SET]
name: Defensive Calm Mind
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Scald
move 3: Rest
move 4: Roar / Sleep Talk
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
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Scald dishes out damage while also having a nice niche of having a chance to cripple foes with a burn. Rest provides Suicune recovery but has the downside of putting it to sleep for two turns. Calm Mind makes Suicune bulkier and makes it easier to break through defensive cores and sweep. Roar is useful to phaze setup users like Calm Mind Mega Slowbro and Clefable. Alternatively, Sleep Talk gives Suicune a chance to use Scald to burn foes or set up another Calm Mind while it sleeps from due to Rest.

Set Details
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Maximum HP and Defense investment allows Suicune to be as bulky as possible and better take at taking on physical attackers like Mega Metagross, Excadrill, Gliscor, Mega Scizor, Weavile, and Landorus-T. Leftovers allows Suicune to stay healthy and reduces the need to use Rest. Pressure is Suicune's only legal ability and helps it win setup wars with other Calm Mind users like Clefable as well as stall out defensive Pokemon like Quagsire and Gastrodon. 20 EVs can be taken from Defense and put into Speed to allow Suicune to outspeed Rotom-W so it can use Calm Mind before Rotom-W uses Volt Switch. 20 Speed EVs also allow Suicune to outspeed Adamant Crawdaunt and some variants of specially defensive Heatran.

Usage Tips
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Roar should be used to phaze out foes that want to set up like Calm Mind Clefable, force switch-ins to take entry hazard damage, or and scout out movesets early-game. Suicune should spam Scald early-game to spread burns on common switch-ins like Ferrothorn and Latios to cripple them. Rest should be used to help Suicune remove a status aliment like burn, Toxic poison, or paralysis and to help it stay healthy. Calm Mind should be used late-game to allow Suicune break through and sweep teams when all its checks are eliminated or weakened.

Team Options
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Skarmory can provide Spikes for Suicune, which is a good combination with Roar to force chip from entry hazards damage. Ferrothorn also has access to Spikes and can take strong attacks that Skarmory cannot, like Draco Meteor from Choice Specs Latios and Thunder Punch from Mega Metagross. It also appreciates Suicune's ability to resist Fire-type moves. Heatran can provide Stealth Rock support and take on Grass-types like Serperior and Ferrothorn that can check Suicune. Mega Latias can deal with Electric-types that threaten Suicune like Thundurus and Zapdos. Tornadus-T helps Suicune deal with Grass-types like Serperior while also providing utility via Knock Off and U-turn. Tyranitar can remove Latios and Latias, which resist Suicune's Scald, while also removing entry hazard removers to make Roar more effective. Fire-types like Mega Charizard Y and Heatran can take on Grass-types and cripple opposing Water-types like Gastrodon via Solar Beam or Toxic, respectively. Excadrill is able to spin away entry hazards that could wear down Suicune, resist Fairy-type attacks from the likes of Clefable, deal with Flying-types like Tornadus-T and Zapdos via Toxic or Rock Slide, and take on Electric-type attacks from the likes of Magnezone. Clefable can form a Calm Mind core with Suicune while also also checking certain Electric-types, (RC) like Thundurus.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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There are not many other options for Suicune to run, as they are all subpar at best. Toxic can be used to wear down bulky Water-types like Gastrodon and Rotom-W. Rest can be used with Substitute, but this doesn't leave space for moves like Sleep Talk.

Checks and Counters
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**Electric-types**: Thundurus can take a few Scalds from Suicune and threaten it back with a Thunderbolt. Magnezone can also take Scalds from Suicune and hit it back with a Thunderbolt or use Volt Switch to gain momentum. However, neither can consistently switch into Scald, especially if it lands a burn. Zapdos and Rotom-W do not mind switching into Suicune and hit it super effectively, but they cannot beat it one-on-one as it sets up with Calm Minds.

**Grass-types**: Ferrothorn resists Scald and threatens Suicune with (spacing) Power Whip, (RC) or Leech Seed if it lacks Substitute. Serperior can threaten Suicune with Leaf Storm and boost past its Calm Mind boosts thanks to its ability Contrary. Serperior can, however, be PP stalled out of Leaf Storm thanks to Pressure, especially if Suicune has Protect and Substitute. Amoonguss can take Scald easily and remove Suicune's Calm Mind boosts with Clear Smog if it does not run Substitute. Mega Venusaur can threaten Suicune with Giga Drain while also resisting its Scald, but it does lose to Suicune if it gets enough boosts with Calm Minds.

**Strong Offensive Foes**: Strong offensive Pokemon like Mega Medicham, Thunder Punch Mega Metagross, and Choice Specs Latios, (AC) and Choice Specs Keldeo can all overload Suicune, making it tough for it to switch in.

**Knock Off**: Knock Off users like Bisharp, Weavile, and Clefable can all make Suicune easier to wear down by removing its Leftovers, especially if it lacks Rest.

**Setup Sweepers**: Manaphy can set up on Suicune with Tail Glow and threaten it with an Energy Ball. Mega Altaria can set up with Dragon Dance on Suicune, resists its Scald, and can remove any burns that Scald may inflict with Heal Bell. Calm Mind Mega Slowbro can set up Calm Mind with Suicune and threaten it with a Psyshock. Mega Latias can also set up Calm Mind with Suicune and use Thunderbolt or Psyshock to beat it.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[ez, 233669]]
- Quality checked by: [[Vulpix03, 306299], [jonfilch, 472436]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429], [, ]]

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