RU Suicune

[HailFall]

[SET]
name: Substitute + Calm Mind
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Calm Mind
move 3: Scald
move 4: Protect / Ice Beam / Roar
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Subtitute + Calm Mind Suicune relies on Pressure to wage a war of attrition on a number of Pokemon that can wall it such as Seismitoad, Gastrodon, and Mantine. Calm Mind makes it very hard for special attackers to break Suicune's Substitute and makes Scald much harder to switch into. Substitute provides Suicune with a way to protect itself from status effects, which will cripple sets lacking Rest, and is especially effective for PP stalling Pokemon unable to break its substitute in one hit. Note that Suicune must still be cautious not to switch into status moves like Toxic and Thunder Wave from the likes of Registeel, Togekiss, and Klefki. Protect enables Suicune to scout Choice item users, stall out low PP moves, and gain additional Leftovers recovery. Ice Beam can be used to hit the likes of Zarude and Seismitoad after boosting, which are otherwise major threats. Roar is another option that allows Suicune to phaze out other setup sweepers and rack up entry hazard damage. The EV spread allows Suicune to outpace base 80 Speed Pokemon like Chandelure and Togekiss, while giving it an 81% chance that Seismitoad's Earthquake will not break its Substitute. An alternative spread with maximum Speed will allow Suicune to Speed tie with Heracross, but lowers its chances of its Substitute surviving Seismitoad's Earthquake to about 56%. This set lacks recovery other than Leftovers, so Suicune must be careful not to take Knock Off from Pokemon like Incineroar and Obstagoon without a Substitute up. Suicune must also be careful not to get hit by Trick from the likes of Chandelure and Gardevoir, as it completely cripples this set.

Suicune's natural bulk and typing make it a great choice for teams looking to check threats like Darmanitan, Alolan Marowak, and Metagross. Suicune's best check is Zarude, which can use Jungle Healing to remove any Scald burns and threaten Suicune with Power Whip. Therefore, it pairs well with Zarude checks like Cobalion, Galarian Weezing, and Togekiss. Cobalion has the added bonus of being an excellent Knock Off absorber thanks to Justified, while Galarian Weezing and Togekiss check other threats to Suicune like certain Guts Fighting-types such as Machamp and Heracross. The aforementioned Guts users, along with Obstagoon, pose a notable threat to Suicune because they are powerful enough to threaten Suicune and unafraid of burns from Scald. Sylveon or Togekiss notably can provide Heal Bell support to remedy this set's weakness to status effects. Suicune is also threatened by Electric-types like Xurkitree, Thundurus, and Raikou, so it should be used alongside Electric-type checks such as Roserade, Assault Vest Reuniclus, Zarude, and Zygarde-10%. Finally, Suicune lacking Roar is unable to beat certain Calm Mind sweepers with Psyshock like Galarian Slowbro and Reuniclus, so it is wise to pair it with checks to them like Obstagoon and Choice Specs Chandelure.

[SET]
name: RestTalk
move 1: Rest
move 2: Sleep Talk / Roar
move 3: Scald
move 4: Calm Mind
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

This Suicune set is an extremely reliable sweeper for its team. Rest allows this set to be extremely resilient to status and provides it with reliable recovery. Sleep Talk prevents Suicune from being passive while using Rest. Roar can be used over Sleep Talk in order to more reliably defeat other Calm Mind sweepers like Reuniclus and Galarian Slowbro and rack up entry hazard damage. This set runs enough Speed EVs to outpace Adamant Golurk and Jolly Alolan Marowak, then invests the rest in Defense and HP to be as hard to break through as possible. This, along with reliable recovery in Rest, makes it a much better answer to the likes of Darmanitan, Sharpedo, Cobalion, and Alolan Marowak, while also allowing it to shakily check the likes of Zygarde-10%.

Rest renders this set much less vulnerable to status effects and Knock Off, but it still has one major nemesis in the meta: Zarude. Zarude can use Jungle Healing to easily remove Scald burns, and this set lacks the safety net of Substitite to allow moves like Ice Beam to be effective. Checks to Zarude include Pokemon like Cobalion, Incineroar, Crobat, Noivern, and Togekiss. Noivern has the added bonus of checking Thundurus, another threat to Suicune. This set has difficulty setting up Calm Mind against offensive Electric-types like Xurkitree, Raikou, Heliolisk, and Thundurus, so checks like Roserade, Zarude, Celebi, and Porgyon2 work well with it. Heliolisk has the added danger of Dry Skin causing Water-type moves to heal it, so Suicune must be played particularly carefully against it. If running Roar, Suicune can phaze foes into Spikes provided by Roserade, making it a particularly notable partner.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[HailFall, 308025]]
- Quality checked by: [[zizalith, 410251], [phantom, 180300]]
- Grammar checked by: [[CryoGyro, 331519]]

 

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[SET]
name: VinCune SubCM (vincune is only a slash on the set - update set comments to reflect this)
move 1: Scald
move 2: Calm Mind
move 3: Substitute
move 4: Protect / Ice Beam / Roar
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

VinCune is a set that relies on Suicune's ability, Pressure, to wage a war of attrition on a number of Pokemon that can wall it such as Seismitoad, Gastrodon, and Mantine. Calm Mind allows Suicune to set up boosts and make it very hard for special attackers to break its Substitute, and also boosts Suicune's Special Attack so as to make it's Scald much harder to switch into. Substitute provides Suicune with a way to protect itself from status effects which will cripple sets lacking Rest, and is especially effective for PP stalling Pokemon unable to break its substitute in one hit. It is important to note that while Substitute generally keeps Suicune safe from status effects, it must still be cautious not to switch into status moves like Toxic and Thunder Wave from the likes of Registeel, Togekiss, and Klefki. Protect enables Suicune to scout Choice item users, stall out low PP moves, and gain additional Leftovers recovery. The EV spread allows Suicune to outpace base 80 Speed Pokemon like Chandelure and Togekiss, while giving it an 81% chance that Seismitoad's Earthquake will not break its Substitute. An alternative spread of 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe with max Speed will allow Suicune to Speed tie with Heracross, but lowers its chances of its Substitute surviving Seismitoad's Earthquake to about 56%. This set lacks recovery other than Leftovers, so Suicune must be careful not to take a Knock Off from Pokemon like Drapion Incineroar (drapion sucks) or Obstagoon without a Substitute up. Suicune must also be careful not to get hit by Trick from the likes of Chandelure and Gardevoir, as it completely cripples this set.
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Suicune's natural bulk and typing make it a great choice for teams looking to check threats like Darmanitan, Alolan Marowak, and Metagross. Suicune's biggest check is Zarude, which can use Jungle Healing to remove any Scald burns and threaten Suicune with Power Whip. Therefore, it pairs well with Zarude checks like Cobalion, Galarian Weezing, and Togekiss. Cobalion has the added bonus of being an excellent Knock Off absorber thanks to Justified, while Galarian Weezing and Togekiss check other threats to Suicune like certain Guts Fighting-types such as Machamp and Heracross. The aforementioned Guts users, along with Obstagoon, pose a notable threat to Suicune because they are both hard hitting enough to threaten Suicune, and are unafraid of burns from Scald. Sylveon or Togekiss notably can provide Heal Bell support, to remedy this set's weakness to status effects. Suicune is also threatened by Electric-types like Xurkitree, Thundurus, and Raikou, so it should be used alongside Electric-type checks such as Roserade, Assault Vest Reuniclus, Zarude, and Zygarde-10%. Finally, Suicune is unable to beat certain Calm Mind sweepers with Psyshock like Galarian Slowbro and Reuniclus, so it is wise to pair it with checks to these like Obstagoon and Choice Specs Chandelure.

[SET]
name: CroCune RestTalk (again, crocune is only a slash on the set)
move 1: Scald
move 2: Calm Mind / Roar (also move it down to move 4)
move 3: Rest
move 4: Sleep Talk
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

The tried and true Suicune set of many generations, CroCune is an extremely solid wincon for its team. Rest allows this set to be extremely resilient to status and provides it with reliable recovery. Sleep Talk prevents Suicune from being passive while using Rest, with a good chance to use Calm Mind or Scald. Note that Rest causes the user to sleep for exactly two turns after being used, so the third turn after using Rest Suicune will awaken and Sleep Talk will fail if used. this isnt something specific to suicune Roar can be used over Sleep Talk in order to phaze out other Calm Mind sweepers like Reuniclus and Galarian Slowbro to more reliably defeat them and rack up hazard damage. This set runs enough Speed EVs to outpace Adamant Golurk and Jolly Alolan Marowak Machamp, then invests the rest in Defense and HP to be as hard to break as possible. This, along with reliable recovery in Rest, makes it a much better answer to the likes of Darmanitan, Sharpedo, Cobalion, and Alolan Marowak, while also allowing it to soft check the likes of Zygarde-10%.

Rest renders this set much less vulnerable to status effects and Knock Off, but this set still has one major nemesis in the meta: Zarude. Zarude can use Jungle Healing to easily remove Scald burns and this set lacks the safety net of Substitite to allow for moves like Ice Beam to be effective. Checks to Zarude include Pokemon like Cobalion, Incineroar, Crobat, Noivern, and Togekiss. Noivern has the added bonus of checking Thundurus, another threat to Suicune. This set has difficulty setting up Calm Mind against offensive Electric-types like Xurkitree, Raikou, Heliolisk, and Thundurus, so checks like Roserade, Zarude, Celebi, and Porgyon2 work well with it. Heliolisk has the added danger of Dry Skin causing Water-type moves to heal it, so Suicune must be played particularly carefully against it. If running Roar, Suicune can phaze enemies into Spikes provided by Roserade, making it a particularly notable partner.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[HailFall, 308025]]
- Quality checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]

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[HailFall]

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[phantom]

on second thought, remove the roar slash on cm on the rest talk set. i get suicune has defensive utility, but using suicune without cm is extremely wack when other bulky waters with instant recovery (milotic) are right there. you can keep the mention, but the slash has to go.

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[SET]
name: Substitute + Calm Mind
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Calm Mind
move 3: Scald
move 4: Protect / Ice Beam / Roar
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Subtitute + Calm Mind is a set that relies on Suicune's ability, Pressure, Suicune relies on Pressure to wage a war of attrition on a number of Pokemon that can wall it such as Seismitoad, Gastrodon, and Mantine. Calm Mind allows Suicune to set up boosts and makes it very hard for special attackers to break its Suicune's Substitute, (comma) and also boosts Suicune's Special Attack so as to makes it's Scald much harder to switch into. Substitute provides Suicune with a way to protect itself from status effects, (comma) which will cripple sets lacking Rest, and is especially effective for PP stalling Pokemon unable to break its substitute in one hit. It is important to Note that while Substitute generally keeps Suicune safe from status effects, it Suicune must still be cautious not to switch into status moves like Toxic and Thunder Wave from the likes of Registeel, Togekiss, and Klefki. Protect enables Suicune to scout Choice item users, stall out low PP moves, and gain additional Leftovers recovery. Ice Beam can be used to hit the likes of Zarude and Seismitoad after boosting, which are otherwise major threats. Roar is another option that allows Suicune to phaze out other setup sweepers and rack up entry hazard damage. The EV spread allows Suicune to outpace base 80 Speed Pokemon like Chandelure and Togekiss, while giving it an 81% chance that Seismitoad's Earthquake will not break its Substitute. An alternative spread with maximum Speed will allow Suicune to Speed tie with Heracross, but lowers its chances of its Substitute surviving Seismitoad's Earthquake to about 56%. This set lacks recovery other than Leftovers, so Suicune must be careful not to take a Knock Off from Pokemon like Incineroar or and Obstagoon without a Substitute up. Suicune must also be careful not to get hit by Trick from the likes of Chandelure and Gardevoir, as it completely cripples this set.

Suicune's natural bulk and typing make it a great choice for teams looking to check threats like Darmanitan, Alolan Marowak, and Metagross. Suicune's biggest best check is Zarude, which can use Jungle Healing to remove any Scald burns and threaten Suicune with Power Whip. Therefore, it pairs well with Zarude checks like Cobalion, Galarian Weezing, and Togekiss. Cobalion has the added bonus of being an excellent Knock Off absorber thanks to Justified, while Galarian Weezing and Togekiss check other threats to Suicune like certain Guts Fighting-types such as Machamp and Heracross. The aforementioned Guts users, along with Obstagoon, pose a notable threat to Suicune because they are both hard hitting powerful enough to threaten Suicune, (comma) and are unafraid of burns from Scald. Sylveon or Togekiss notably can provide Heal Bell support, (comma) to remedy this set's weakness to status effects. Suicune is also threatened by Electric-types like Xurkitree, Thundurus, and Raikou, so it should be used alongside Electric-type checks such as Roserade, Assault Vest Reuniclus, Zarude, and Zygarde-10%. Finally, Suicune lacking Roar is unable to beat certain Calm Mind sweepers with Psyshock like Galarian Slowbro and Reuniclus, so it is wise to pair it with checks to these them like Obstagoon and Choice Specs Chandelure.

[SET]
name: RestTalk
move 1: Rest
move 2: Sleep Talk / Roar
move 3: Scald
move 4: Calm Mind
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

This Suicune set is an extremely solid wincon reliable sweeper (we're not allowed to use wincon from a building perspective) for its team. Rest allows this set to be extremely resilient to status and provides it with reliable recovery. Sleep Talk prevents Suicune from being passive while using Rest, with a good chance to use Calm Mind or Scald. Roar can be used over Sleep Talk in order to phaze out more reliably defeat other Calm Mind sweepers like Reuniclus and Galarian Slowbro to more reliably defeat them and rack up entry hazard damage. This set runs enough Speed EVs to outpace Adamant Golurk and Jolly Alolan Marowak, then invests the rest in Defense and HP to be as hard to break through as possible. This, along with reliable recovery in Rest, makes it a much better answer to the likes of Darmanitan, Sharpedo, Cobalion, and Alolan Marowak, while also allowing it to soft shakily check the likes of Zygarde-10%.

Rest renders this set much less vulnerable to status effects and Knock Off, but this set it still has one major nemesis in the meta: Zarude. Zarude can use Jungle Healing to easily remove Scald burns, (comma) and this set lacks the safety net of Substitite to allow for moves like Ice Beam to be effective. Checks to Zarude include Pokemon like Cobalion, Incineroar, Crobat, Noivern, and Togekiss. Noivern has the added bonus of checking Thundurus, another threat to Suicune. This set has difficulty setting up Calm Mind against offensive Electric-types like Xurkitree, Raikou, Heliolisk, and Thundurus, so checks like Roserade, Zarude, Celebi, and Porgyon2 work well with it. Heliolisk has the added danger of Dry Skin causing Water-type moves to heal it, so Suicune must be played particularly carefully against it. If running Roar, Suicune can phaze enemies foes into Spikes provided by Roserade, making it a particularly notable partner.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[HailFall, 308025]]
- Quality checked by: [[zizalith, 410251], [phantom, 180300]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]

 

[HailFall]

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[zizalith]

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