Summer Freedom UU List Voting

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#26
You were depending on your prediction that I wouldn't use Shedinja after you said, "Next time I'll be ready for Shed!" when we UU battled for fun prior to Smogon vs. PR. But I don't want to argue about that match anymore.

With Toxic freaking everywhere in UU now I personally don't think Shed is as dangerous anymore.
 

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#29
Toxic is dirty, but that's why all you (BAN ME PLEASE) are using Vileplume/Grumpig/Cloyster/Lanturn/Gligar/filler teams right?
 

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#33
It's fine as a BL, completely disregarding my view on using BLs in UU at all. You're using your BL spot for something Blastoise could do, except without the attacking versality and Thunder Wave. I'd rather use my BL spot for something that really breaks the game...though it's a great Gligar counter.
 
#34
Jackal said:
but there are some of us (me) who are trying to eliminate the gay toxic fad. Whatever.
haha, I'll take partial responsibility for the gayness.

Arcanine: BL to UU
Chansey: BL to OU
Charizard: BL to OU
Cloyster: UU to BL
Crobat: OU to BL
Espeon: BL to OU
Exeggutor: BL to OU
Forretress: BL to OU
Gligar: BL to UU
Gardevoir: BL to OU
Granbull: UU to BL
Golem: BL to UU
Hariyama: UU to BL
Houndoom: OU to BL
Jumpluff: UU to BL
Jynx: BL to OU
Lanturn: BL to UU
Lapras: OU to BL
Ludicolo: OU to BL
Lunatone: BL to UU
Machamp: UU to BL
Magneton: BL to OU
Meganium: UU to BL
Miltank: BL to OU
Mr. Mime: OU to BL
Omastar: UU to BL
Pinsir: UU to BL
Porygon2: OU to BL
Rhydon: BL to OU
Scyther: BL to UU
Shedinja: BL to UU
Slowking: BL to UU
Steelix: BL to OU
Swellow: UU to BL
Ursaring: BL to OU
Venusaur: BL to OU
Walrein: BL to UU
 

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#35
Why the hell was Steelix ever aloud. Seriously, Warthog =P

Venusaur should be BL, it's so easily stopped by Gligar, Hypno, and friends.
 
#36
HP Ice the Gligar... Leech Seed annoys Hypno, Seismic Toss won't do much, would need Psychic to really damage Venusaur. It's like an upgraded Meganium, which is annoying enough.
 

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#37
Meganium can HP Ice and Leech Seed, too. Meganium also resists EQ while Venusaur is neutral to Bug and Poison, both which screws Venusaur anyways. Venusaur has Sleep Powder but again there's the ever-popular Hypno and Sleep Talkers. Meganium is superior in defense in every way. Perhaps the advantages Venusaur has that Meganium doesn't that it is immune to Hypno's poison when it chooses to Toxi-stall, higher Sp Atk, and STAB Sludge Bomb.

Venusaur isn't overpowering nor overwalling anything. It doesn't have any physical resistance which is essential in this rather physicall oriented metagame. Cradily has a normal resistance atleast and has Recover versus 8 PP Synthesis. If Cradily is BL then why is Venusaur banned =[
 
#38
Arcanine: BL
Chansey: OU
Charizard: OU
Cloyster: BL
Crobat: OU
Espeon: OU
Exeggutor: BL
Forretress: OU
Gligar: UU
Gardevoir: OU
Granbull: UU
Golem: UU
Hariyama: UU
Houndoom: OU
Jumpluff: BL
Jynx: BL
Lanturn: BL
Lapras: OU
Ludicolo: OU
Lunatone: UU
Machamp: BL
Magneton: BL
Meganium: UU
Miltank: OU
Mr. Mime: BL
Omastar: BL
Pinsir: UU
Porygon2: OU
Rhydon: OU
Scyther: UU
Shedinja: BL
Slowking: UU
Steelix: BL
Swellow: BL
Ursaring: BL
Venusaur: OU
Walrein: UU

My thoughts.
 
#39
Arcanine: BL to UU
Chansey: BL to OU
Charizard: BL to OU
Cloyster: UU to BL
Crobat: OU to BL
Espeon: BL to OU
Exeggutor: BL to OU
Forretress: BL to OU
Gligar: BL to UU
Gardevoir: BL to OU
Granbull: UU to BL
Golem: BL to UU
Hariyama: UU to BL
Houndoom: OU to BL
Jumpluff: UU to BL
Jynx: BL to OU
Lanturn: BL to UU
Lapras: OU to BL to UU lapras is UU lanturn walls the fuck out of it thanks so my vote is uu
Ludicolo: OU to BL
Lunatone: BL to UU
Machamp: UU to BL
Magneton: BL to OU
Meganium: UU to BL
Miltank: BL to OU
Mr. Mime: OU to BL
Omastar: UU to BL
Pinsir: UU to BL
Porygon2: OU to BL
Rhydon: BL to OU
Scyther: BL to UU
Shedinja: BL to UU
Slowking: BL to UU
Steelix: BL to OU
Swellow: UU to BL
Ursaring: BL to OU
Venusaur: BL to OU
Walrein: BL to UU
 
#40
Nate said:
Arcanine: BL to UU
Chansey: BL to OU
Charizard: BL to OU
Cloyster: UU to BL
Crobat: OU to BL
Espeon: BL to OU
Exeggutor: BL to OU
Forretress: BL to OU
Gligar: BL to UU
Gardevoir: BL to OU
Granbull: UU to BL
Golem: BL to UU
Hariyama: UU to BL
Houndoom: OU to BL
Jumpluff: UU to BL
Jynx: BL to OU
Lanturn: BL to UU
Lapras: OU to BL
Ludicolo: OU to BL
Lunatone: BL to UU
Machamp: UU to BL
Magneton: BL to OU
Meganium: UU to BL
Miltank: BL to OU
Mr. Mime: OU to BL
Omastar: UU to BL
Pinsir: UU to BL
Porygon2: OU to BL
Rhydon: BL to OU
Scyther: BL to UU
Shedinja: BL to UU
Slowking: BL to UU
Steelix: BL to OU
Swellow: UU to BL
Ursaring: BL to OU
Venusaur: BL to OU
Walrein: BL to UU
 
#41
NotFullyEvolveds

I know this is probably all written in stone somewhere else, but i'm feeling lazy.

What's the rule on nfes? (excluding chansey, scyther, obviously). I guess i'm only really bothered about kadabra and haunter, and maybe grovyle
 
#42
Arcanine: BL
Chansey: OU
Charizard: OU
Cloyster: OU
Crobat: BL
Espeon: OU
Exeggutor: OU
Forretress: OU
Gligar: UU
Gardevoir: OU
Granbull: UU
Golem: UU
Hariyama: BL
Houndoom: OU
Jumpluff: BL
Jynx: OU
Lanturn: UU
Lapras: BL
Ludicolo: OU
Lunatone: UU
Machamp: OU
Magneton: OU
Meganium: UU
Miltank: OU
Mr. Mime: BL
Omastar: UU
Pinsir: UU
Porygon2: OU
Rhydon: OU
Scyther: BL
Shedinja: UU
Slowking: UU
Steelix: OU
Swellow: BL
Ursaring: OU
Venusaur: OU
Walrein: UU
 
#44
slinky said:
I know this is probably all written in stone somewhere else, but i'm feeling lazy.

What's the rule on nfes? (excluding chansey, scyther, obviously). I guess i'm only really bothered about kadabra and haunter, and maybe grovyle
Vigoroth gets no love?
 
#45
Hariyama > Machamp ANY DAY. Therefore, I vote Machamp UU and Hariyama BL, even though ideally they are both BL. In this kind of tournament, the only way to do it correctly is with a point system, because Pokemon don't fit into precise categories, there stil are the OUish BL's, the the BLish UUs, the UUish BLs, and so on.
 
#48
Warthog said:
Arcanine: BLto UU
Chansey: BL to OU
Charizard: BL to OU
Cloyster: UU to BL
Crobat: OU to BL
Espeon: BL to OU
Exeggutor: BL to OU
Forretress: BL to OU
Gligar: BL to UU
Gardevoir: BL to OU
Granbull: UUto BL
Golem: BL to UU
Hariyama: UUto BL
Houndoom: OU to BL - BL is Jynx is allowed
Jumpluff: UU to BL>OU
Jynx: BL to OU
Lanturn: BL to UU
Lapras: OU to BL
Ludicolo: OU to BL
Lunatone: BL to UU- It wont get much use either way
Machamp: UU to BL - for Hariyama's sake
Magneton: BL to OU
Meganium: UU to BL
Miltank: BL to OU
Mr. Mime: OU to BL
Omastar: UU to BL
Pinsir: UU to BL
Porygon2: OU to BL
Rhydon: BLto OU
Scyther: BLto UU - play SSBM Roy
Shedinja: BL to UU
Slowking: BL to UU
Steelix: BL to OU
Swellow: UUto BL
Ursaring: BL to OU
Venusaur: BL to OU
Walrein: BL to UU
Except Pinsir UU to BL
 
#49
slinky said:
Vigoroth gets All my love. It's just not really going to change the metagame. Kadabra and haunter, however...
Vigoroth has both flail and reversal, as well as sleep immunity. Its attack isn't too shabby either. STAB'd flail and reversal for anything that resists normal is pretty good...
 
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