I feel like Falcon has been getting more popular than ever. Even I was playing him a couple times and he should deserve to get a higher placing than being in DEAD LAST. There was this one game where I played against someone with Fox and I was Falcon and I 3 stocked Fox at FD. He has some priority and he moves pretty quick and he should derserve more credit than what he actually deserves.
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Super Smash Bros. Brawl: Character and Tier Discussion
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aaaaa Fuck you, Esc.
Paradoxes wat.
I feel that some characters deserve more credit than they get (such as some miscomprehensions about how Sonic gets raped by projectiles) but in comparison to the rest of the cast, I personally feel Falcon's placing to be justified. I've played good Ganons, Links, and Jigglypuffs before, and the all wrecked a lot harder than I've seen Captain Falcon do. And that's considering the fact that I was just looking at this:
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=196623
Dunk has a good Captain Falcon, he has strong points in which why CF should not be in the bottom of the list.
I still consider that Ness should be Middle Tier, or even High Tier like Colin suggests. Mainly because he has the most versatile projectile in the game ( PK Thunder ) + all the reasons that Colin listed a few weeks ago.
I still consider that Ness should be Middle Tier, or even High Tier like Colin suggests. Mainly because he has the most versatile projectile in the game ( PK Thunder ) + all the reasons that Colin listed a few weeks ago.
I'm in COMPLETE agreement with ya Shakes! ;P
He does have a good CF... but at the same time it's his weakest character (in my experience at least). I'm not sure if CF should be dead last... but imo he's somewhere near the bottom for sure.
It's true, CF should be in the low tier section, but I don't think he should be in the bottom .
As for CF being Dunk's weakest character, I think otherwise. He uses a varierty of characters, so it is difficult to determine which one is his weakest. That's my opinion at least.
Captain Falcon is the worst. Just because Dunk can play him and not look bad doesn't mean the character itself isn't bad. Dunk is likely the best on Smogon, from who I have played, and even still It doesn't make me think Falcon is any good. Ganon might be worse, but I don't think so.
Since Ganondorf and Captain Falcon play in completely different ways it's hard to distinguish which one is better based on moveset alone. But Ganondorf has, by far, the better moveset. His neutral A is actually useful, and Dair has much more possibilities and is easier to land than Captain Falcon's Dair. Utilt is cool for edgeguarding, but is useless otherwise. USmash, on the other hand, is better than Captain Falcon's, even if it comes out slow. Ganondorf has overall much more power on his aerials, and the most important ones, Nair and Uair, aren't that much slower than Captain Falcon's.
While Captain Falcon wins in terms of speed, you can still see his special moves coming from a mile away, so their increased speed doesn't do much. And of course, his taunts are epic win, but Ganondorf's aren't lame like Samus.
It's sad that Captain Falcon lost a lot in the transition to Brawl (hitstun, an easily sweetspotted KoJ, etc.). I guess it depends on who you are as to how good you think either is.
While Captain Falcon wins in terms of speed, you can still see his special moves coming from a mile away, so their increased speed doesn't do much. And of course, his taunts are epic win, but Ganondorf's aren't lame like Samus.
It's sad that Captain Falcon lost a lot in the transition to Brawl (hitstun, an easily sweetspotted KoJ, etc.). I guess it depends on who you are as to how good you think either is.
I don't know what you're talking about, Falcon's jab is one of his few good moves. :[
That. I use Falcon for kicks (but mostly Punches >_>) and it works suprisingly well. His Fair is outrageous if you don't spam it. Dair scores you some nice gimps. Bair has great knockback at >90% and if sweetspotted. Uair has insane knockback and hitbox. The PAWNCH can kill out of the blue, but it's hard with that initial lag. Aerial >B is good, but deprives you out of your recovery. Ground >B is awesome to combo with Uair and sometimes Up B. D-tilt and U-tilt can start some aerial combos. Just to name some things.
I still can't see why Falcon is so bad. Maybe that's just me.
Because nothing you listed is a real combo, and his moves in general lack priority. His speed really isn't that great anymore (lol sonic), and he isn't the same "land one hit and get a kill" character as he used to be. Falcon was basically a copy/paste job from melee + nerfs, and with the brawl physics, that just amounts to an absolutely terrible character.
Is he the absolute worst in the game? Who knows. Will he be "overthrown" by another character? Possibly. But someone's gotta have the bottom spot, and no matter how many good points a character has, if everyone else has better stuff than they do, they're still the worst.
here's the thing:
the lower you go down the tier list, the more matchups matter. because tourney results and metagame depth will probably be pretty similar (poor on both counts). so matchups are how you differentiate between characters. ganondorf's only good match up is like...captain falcon. link does well against yoshi, and apparently even ddd, among others. yoshi doesn't really get raped across the board and has a pretty deep metagame. he doesn't belong in low tier. pt has no 3:7 hard counter matchups right now, and if he does, it's limited to maybe mk and falco. and squirtle's shellshifting adds a whole lot to his metagame, and the overall mechanic of three pokemon is a blessing when used correctly. pt probably doesn't belong in low tier either.
who does falcon have an advantage against?
when it's all said and done, ganondorf and falcon will occupy the last two slots, imo. link's poor recovery is crippling and he'll probably stay in low tier. but he's not falcon tier lulz.
the lower you go down the tier list, the more matchups matter. because tourney results and metagame depth will probably be pretty similar (poor on both counts). so matchups are how you differentiate between characters. ganondorf's only good match up is like...captain falcon. link does well against yoshi, and apparently even ddd, among others. yoshi doesn't really get raped across the board and has a pretty deep metagame. he doesn't belong in low tier. pt has no 3:7 hard counter matchups right now, and if he does, it's limited to maybe mk and falco. and squirtle's shellshifting adds a whole lot to his metagame, and the overall mechanic of three pokemon is a blessing when used correctly. pt probably doesn't belong in low tier either.
who does falcon have an advantage against?
when it's all said and done, ganondorf and falcon will occupy the last two slots, imo. link's poor recovery is crippling and he'll probably stay in low tier. but he's not falcon tier lulz.
if you want to ledge stall, pt can just switch.
squirtle and charizard are both capable of going after you, they are pretty aggressive in nature, although zard can also play defensively.
fatigued pokemon doesn't equal auto win.
and stalling is banned in tourneys anyway.
if i made a mistake or anything, feel free to correct me. i would only see this as a problem against sonics, because they are so fast and sonic matches take a pretty long time anyway. maybe campy foxes and falcos.
squirtle and charizard are both capable of going after you, they are pretty aggressive in nature, although zard can also play defensively.
fatigued pokemon doesn't equal auto win.
and stalling is banned in tourneys anyway.
if i made a mistake or anything, feel free to correct me. i would only see this as a problem against sonics, because they are so fast and sonic matches take a pretty long time anyway. maybe campy foxes and falcos.
Also apparently being fatigued is not that much of a disadvantage. Last time I checked it only lowers the damage you do by a few % as well as lowering the knockback.
Still you can rack up damage even when fatigued and then just switch to another Pokemon for the KO.
Of course I may be wrong since the last time I actually checked the PT forums was before Brawl was released when I thought PT would be God.
Still you can rack up damage even when fatigued and then just switch to another Pokemon for the KO.
Of course I may be wrong since the last time I actually checked the PT forums was before Brawl was released when I thought PT would be God.
Captain Falcon really does suck you guys...and while I do appreciate the comments about my Falcon in particular, the fact that I do decently with doesn't make him that good. The only things that save him from being the worst in the game are his taunts and the fact that he can kill early with Falcon Punch.
And those aren't even really good reasons!
And those aren't even really good reasons!
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