deserves a spot is because of this team.
and Tornadus 
). For that reason, many teams have to use Rapid Spin, and Great Tusk 
is the best in the tier. Leavanny has this tiny niche in the tier because it matches well against Great Tusk , and allows the sweepers to run wild.
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5Ting Lu comes before zamazenta in the alphabet btwWelcome to the Scarlet and Violet Overused viability rankings, Indigo Disk edition!
In this thread, we, as a community, will be ranking every single justifiably usable Pokemon into "tiers" ranking their viability in the metagame. You're encouraged to post your thoughts and opinions on the various Pokemon that are viable in OU and what tier they should fall under. Posts in this thread will be taken into account when deciding rank changes, but the ultimate decision will be handled by OU Viability Rankings council vote during each slate of rankings!
The general idea of the topic is to rank each OU Pokemon under "rankings" that go in descending order. Since this is a tier list for the entire metagame, everything is lumped together. There won't be any segregation between offense, defense, and supportive presences in the metagame within this thread. For example, Cinderace can be ranked in the A- tier as a supportive presence, Walking Wake can be ranked in the A- as an offensive presence, and Dondozo can be ranked in the A- tier as a defensive presence.
Finally, there will be a council of experienced players who will discuss and vote on the ranking of Pokemon. Depending on how the metagame is developing, we could update the thread every couple of weeks or every month+. Please note that your posts still very much matter and will be factored in to what we discuss and the discussions themselves. This thread is nothing without the posters and every informed opinion that is shared is considered a valuable contribution in my eyes, so do not hesitate to post if you know the metagame well and understand the forum rules. The council will consist of the following users:
airfare
ausma
Finchinator
Fusien
658Greninja
kd458
Lily
Ruft
Sp0oN1oRd
Shaymin Sky
TPP
viivian
S Rank
S Rank
Zamazenta-Hero
Ting-Lu
S- Rank
Dragonite
Gholdengo
Gliscor
Great Tusk
Kingambit
A Rank
A+ Rank
Darkrai
Dragapult
Iron Valiant
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Ogerpon-Wellspring
Pecharunt
A Rank
Cinderace
Clefable
Corviknight
Garganacl
Iron Treads
Landorus-Therian
Moltres
Raging Bolt
Samurott-Hisui
Slowking-Galar
Tinkaton
Zapdos
Weavile
Weezing-Galar
A- Rank
Alomomola
Deoxys-Speed
Enamorus
Iron Moth
Primarina
B Rank
B+ Rank
Glimmora
Hatterene
Hydrapple
Iron Crown
Keldeo
Latios
Lokix
Meowscarada
Ninetales
Scizor
Sinistcha
Skarmory
Tornadus-Therian
Walking Wake
Volcanion
B Rank
Araquanid
Blissey
Clodsire
Dondozo
Garchomp
Greninja
Heatran
Hoopa-Unbound
Iron Hands
Manaphy
Moltres-Galar
Ninetales-Alola
Ogerpon
Ogerpon-Cornerstone
Okidogi
Rillaboom
Rotom-Wash
Slither Wing
Toxapex
Ursaluna
B- Rank
Amoonguss
Blaziken
Ceruledge
Hawlucha
Hydreigon
Latias
Pelipper
Ribombee
Serperior
Skeledirge
Torkoal
Tyranitar
Venusaur
C Rank
C+ Rank
Barraskewda
Cresselia
Enamorus-Therian
Excadrill
Fezandipiti
Goodra-Hisui
Iron Boulder
Kommo-o
Lilligant-Hisui
Mandibuzz
Thundurus-Therian
C Rank
Arcanine-Hisui
Chansey
Comfey
Mamoswine
Polteageist
Reuniclus
C- Rank
Armarouge
Chesnaught
Entei
Grimmsnarl
Indeedee
Iron Jugulis
Mimikyu
Necrozma
Overqwil
Quagsire
Quaquaval
Talonflame
D Rank
D Rank
Azumarill
Basculegion
Bellibolt
Bronzong
Cyclizar
Diancie
Ditto
Kingdra
Leavanny
Maushold
Magnezone
Sandy Shocks
Scream Tail
Whimsicott
Do you guys have notable games for Whimsicott ? I always feel excited when new mon has niche.Hey it's me! With SPL now over with and us moving on towards WCOP we figured now is a good time to update the VR, but we also figured why not get more Iron Hands for this VR project. Get it, hands, Iron hands...
NEW PEOPLE!!
Fusien OST winner, OU room Mod, Ladder Hero, and most importantly is a day behind everybody else by being in west coast. They are on the VR team!!
leng loi she is the SPL winner, eject pack legend, and OU council member, leng loi joins VR team : oooooooo
658Greninja The #1 yapper and Ladder grinder has also joined the VR team! Oh and hes the community leader of OU, whatever that means :shrug:
oh and Shaymin Sky joined the VR team too. They should stick to the samples project, where they belong ew.
Anyways here are the additions, rises, drops. Interestingly there are a lot more rises than drops!! However this makes sense, as Pokemon more often than not get better compared to getting worse. It's a lot easier to know the exact weaknesses and flaws a Pokemon has, rather than every strength/good situation a Pokemon has. There aren't any truly game changing drops this late into the game like we have had for rises in Pecharunt or Weezing-Galar and I do think the explanation said last sentence is part of why. I will explain any major shifts though!!
Major Shifts:
This is pretty self explanatory but incase you havn't heard Ting-Lu, is really, REALLY fucking good. It is one of the most consistent progress makers in the tier as not much is able to immediately threaten it, which not doing so lets it get up hazards, and even if you can you risk swapping into Ruination. Even worse, Earthquake is actually pretty strong given its 110 base power attack and yknow Earthquake being 100 BP so the ruinations can really end up mattering for Ting-Lu netting kills with Earthquake. This is not to mention Whirlwind, a really good form of anti-cheese / general disruption which makes it so Ting-Lu isn't always sapping your momentum. Ting-Lu is unique in that it's worst matchups aren't even that bad compared to some matchups that the other S- or A+ may face, it's arguably the most consistent Pokemon in the tier at it's job. It has the flaw of being overwhelmed if you stack tons of special attackers with it, since it doesn't have reliable recovery with Alomomola as a teammate, but even then against Gholdengo+Raging Bolt pressuring it Ting-Lu has ample enough time to get off hazards and throw out some Ruinations or Whirlwinds or Earthquakes. Ting-Lu is at the very least a top 2 Pokemon, and the results in tournament, ladder, and especially within this ranking pretty much prove that.
These guys ever since Roaring Moons ban have been kind of insane. Dragonite tooks Moons role mostly of Tera Setup monster, but with even more set diversity and arguably more useful defensive utility by being a decent check to Ogerpon-Wellspring. Gholdengo now no longer is forced into Tera everytime against Roaring Moon, and neither is it pressured to run Dazzling Gleam as often either which gives it more set options than "must use Tera Fair dgleam to reverse Moon MU".
I am actually working on an entire YouTube video on this guy, so I kind of don't want to write anything since I have already wrote 8 pages on him but tldr Weezing-Galar has completely revitalized the balance/stall archetypes in ways that I don't think we have seen before since Pecharunt and even then it's a pretty big gap. Consistent Defog on Gholdengo gives way to soooo many structures, item choices, you name it you probably can have it. It's 70% SPL winrate, plenty of Ladder rank 1's, it's a crazy Pokemon definitely worthy of 2 tier jumps.
Marginal change but Raging Bolt is definitely suffering the effects from Ting-Lu becoming even more omnipresent, and the whole issue of being a slow Dragon Electric type in the tier with like 10 dragons and 10 ground types. lol. Raging Bolt also just requires such situational positioning, you don't wanna waste the Booster Energy but there's tons of times you can be forced into swapping it in defensively or to revenge kill with Thunder Clap. There's a lot more negatives but suffice it to say, bolt is struggling a quite a bit.
Ting Lu. Ok and Dragonite who got a lot better but like seriously WHAT is this pokemon supposed to do against any team with Slowking-Galar, Ting-Lu, or Dragonite, or Blissey. By the way, basically every team structure right now uses either 1 of these Pokemon so lmfao. Also if you don't get the 50% Fiery Dance Boost this guy is giga fraud, and keep in mind this Pokemon is a very big Tera Hog as well, it's clunky/inconsistent/weak into majority structures defensive anchors.
No seriously how in the world was this Pokemon not already UR. There is NO SPORE LOL. Gholdengo EXIST. Among plenty of other Pokemon who just dog walk it, and this guys stats are obscenely garbage too. This isn't really shocking that it's UR but I am very confused how this was ranked in the first place, but it's an UR shift so I think I am obliged to talk about it. I am done talking about it.
Anyways something never done before, here is the MATHMATICAL (is that how you spell it) LIST, of the OU Top 30. This is the first official OU Top 30 ever, just don't mald too hard if you didn't see your favorite guy in the list, feel free to debate the tied Pokemon on who's "better".
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Honorable mention to 31. Iron Moth: 5.1
The Lando + Samu offenses that dominated the meta in late 2024 are not as consistent today due to other hazard stack structures being utilized instead. Samu is also a hazard setter that gives entry to G-Weez, a Pokemon that has risen in usage on Balance and 1v1s it. So Samu’s ability to force progress is not unprecedented as it was months back. Samu also has fundamental issues that make it awkward to fit such as low speed and a dilemma between going fast or bulky but slow. Still a strong mon that has good matchups into some top mons like Ting, Gking, and Ghold.
They should teach these things in school bro..
Like how Weavile and Weezing also come before Zapdos.
Heatran has suprisingly good MU's into Gholdengo (non Focus Blast), Pecharunt, Weezing-Galar, and Slowking-Galar. It also has pretty good role compression with it's bulk, rocks, burn body as anti cheese if needed and balance breaking with Taunt. The reason it rose was mainly with gholdengo/Pecha/Glowking getting better with Moon ban and Heatran doing well against those 3, along with Weezing-G's rise which again Heatran does well. Also Roaring Moon before its ban could set up on non Lava Plume/Wisp Heatrans too. I do think it's still difficult to fit on teams outside or BO or some balances.
What motivated all these rises from D? Have I missed some recent Necrozma innovations?
Why are you back?
A C- Rank was created. Before this update there wasn't one, and all those guys that rose are better than the ones that are still in D
C- was always a metric but by coincedence Pokemon just weren't in the range of C- in previous slates. iirc there was a C- in the Pre Home VR slate tho? I think why some Pokemon are showing as better than D but not as good as C, are from slight optimizations in niche playstyles while the rest still in D didn't really improve at all. A good example is that Mimikyu Trick Room ladder team from a month ago, meanwhile Azumarill has just done nothing of note lol.
Much of ttar's niche stems from its unique defensive profile, not its enabling of sand abuse. Its a perfectly good pokemon even w/o excadrill. As for drill itself, it struggles a lot in the current meta due to corviknight being everywhere and its vulnerability to common priority.
Who said you could do this.Hey it's me! With SPL now over with and us moving on towards WCOP we figured now is a good time to update the VR, but we also figured why not get more Iron Hands for this VR project. Get it, hands, Iron hands...
NEW PEOPLE!!
Fusien OST winner, OU room Mod, Ladder Hero, and most importantly is a day behind everybody else by being in west coast. They are on the VR team!!
658Greninja The #1 yapper and Ladder grinder has also joined the VR team! Oh and hes the community leader of OU, whatever that means :shrug:
oh and Shaymin Sky joined the VR team too. They should stick to the samples project, where they belong ew.
Anyways here are the additions, rises, drops. Interestingly there are a lot more rises than drops!! However this makes sense, as Pokemon more often than not get better compared to getting worse. It's a lot easier to know the exact weaknesses and flaws a Pokemon has, rather than every strength/good situation a Pokemon has. There aren't any truly game changing drops this late into the game like we have had for rises in Pecharunt or Weezing-Galar and I do think the explanation said last sentence is part of why. I will explain any major shifts though!!
Major Shifts:
This is pretty self explanatory but incase you havn't heard Ting-Lu, is really, REALLY fucking good. It is one of the most consistent progress makers in the tier as not much is able to immediately threaten it, which not doing so lets it get up hazards, and even if you can you risk swapping into Ruination. Even worse, Earthquake is actually pretty strong given its 110 base power attack and yknow Earthquake being 100 BP so the ruinations can really end up mattering for Ting-Lu netting kills with Earthquake. This is not to mention Whirlwind, a really good form of anti-cheese / general disruption which makes it so Ting-Lu isn't always sapping your momentum. Ting-Lu is unique in that it's worst matchups aren't even that bad compared to some matchups that the other S- or A+ may face, it's arguably the most consistent Pokemon in the tier at it's job. It has the flaw of being overwhelmed if you stack tons of special attackers with it, since it doesn't have reliable recovery with Alomomola as a teammate, but even then against Gholdengo+Raging Bolt pressuring it Ting-Lu has ample enough time to get off hazards and throw out some Ruinations or Whirlwinds or Earthquakes. Ting-Lu is at the very least a top 2 Pokemon, and the results in tournament, ladder, and especially within this ranking pretty much prove that.
These guys ever since Roaring Moons ban have been kind of insane. Dragonite tooks Moons role mostly of Tera Setup monster, but with even more set diversity and arguably more useful defensive utility by being a decent check to Ogerpon-Wellspring. Gholdengo now no longer is forced into Tera everytime against Roaring Moon, and neither is it pressured to run Dazzling Gleam as often either which gives it more set options than "must use Tera Fair dgleam to reverse Moon MU".
I am actually working on an entire YouTube video on this guy, so I kind of don't want to write anything since I have already wrote 8 pages on him but tldr Weezing-Galar has completely revitalized the balance/stall archetypes in ways that I don't think we have seen before since Pecharunt and even then it's a pretty big gap. Consistent Defog on Gholdengo gives way to soooo many structures, item choices, you name it you probably can have it. It's 70% SPL winrate, plenty of Ladder rank 1's, it's a crazy Pokemon definitely worthy of 2 tier jumps.
Marginal change but Raging Bolt is definitely suffering the effects from Ting-Lu becoming even more omnipresent, and the whole issue of being a slow Dragon Electric type in the tier with like 10 dragons and 10 ground types. lol. Raging Bolt also just requires such situational positioning, you don't wanna waste the Booster Energy but there's tons of times you can be forced into swapping it in defensively or to revenge kill with Thunder Clap. There's a lot more negatives but suffice it to say, bolt is struggling a quite a bit.
Ting Lu. Ok and Dragonite who got a lot better but like seriously WHAT is this pokemon supposed to do against any team with Slowking-Galar, Ting-Lu, or Dragonite, or Blissey. By the way, basically every team structure right now uses either 1 of these Pokemon so lmfao. Also if you don't get the 50% Fiery Dance Boost this guy is giga fraud, and keep in mind this Pokemon is a very big Tera Hog as well, it's clunky/inconsistent/weak into majority structures defensive anchors.
No seriously how in the world was this Pokemon not already UR. There is NO SPORE LOL. Gholdengo EXIST. Among plenty of other Pokemon who just dog walk it, and this guys stats are obscenely garbage too. This isn't really shocking that it's UR but I am very confused how this was ranked in the first place, but it's an UR shift so I think I am obliged to talk about it. I am done talking about it.
Anyways something never done before, here is the MATHMATICAL (is that how you spell it) LIST, of the OU Top 30. This is the first official OU Top 30 ever, just don't mald too hard if you didn't see your favorite guy in the list, feel free to debate the tied Pokemon on who's "better".
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Honorable mention to 31. Iron Moth: 5.1
Ttar can be ran independently from Drill with its ability to make progress possessing rocks + Knock and sponge special hits similarly to Ting-Lu.
Honestly this mon is great, it's also worth mentioning that even in the worst case scenario where Woger is running sd play rough, chesnaught can survive a +2 pr because bro is just him and does like a good 60% back with body press (likely 17% more due to helmet too!). Honestly when I redo my personal VR I'm probably gonna put this guy in B- minimum.
C- -> B- (or at least not C-)https://pokepast.es/cc1c82345b5708ac
dnite is top 1, can be played on any playstyle, one of the best woger checks (very hard mon to switch into, and very popular), has sooooooooo many sets, its existence lets u flex on the teambuilder since dnite beats most offense, so u can stack threats on dnite teams like woger or sd scor gambit is 2nd imo, similar to dnite its existence allows u to build very aggressive teams since the looming threat of gambit makes ur offense stronger. Will trade in worst MUs but most of the time gambit serves as an easy wincon, since all u need to do is chip grounds/za, (or knock dozo vs stall) then u have tera which lets u choose to beat burn (which is very common on balance since ppl resort to wisp to 'check' gambit) or outright negate any offensive check with tera fairy/flying, or choose to negate any defensive check with tera dark. Teams that do well vs gambit have a lot of loose checks e.g. gliscor, lu, stuff that in practice are very easy to chip over time, since gambit is gonna be sent out at the end anyways another wincon, i value these 3 specifically because they are setup mons that have very easy time winning if u have support and play well, sd gliscor is unwallable, its worst MUs are very easy in practice (HO or gweezing) since u have teammates. Utility gliscor is also amazing since unlike ting lu, gliscor is a knock absorber meaning it kinda helps with clef Even as a ting-lu hater I cannot put this guy below 4th, this beats so much stuff and does decent progress with ruination n spikes. I think heavy slam is better than ruination coz hatt is rising, but u can do anything with this mon, and fits on most playstyles. What I don't like about lu is it can be abusable by some structures (sd gliscor, woger, hatt, samu, serp, or clef bootspam stuff), but even in those MUs ting lu will be a nuisance and be a solid mon. checks zama and garg (use grass knot to beat water gargs), that is such a rare defensive profile that enough makes this mon amazing, + it helps w progress and has the best? set variety out of any defensive mon. Also helps w woger, and AV is amazing. I don't use this mon that much but it always smokes me, the defog blocking is an extra at this point NP + tera is what makes this mon amazing, guarantee kill then come back later to clean. Best scarfer another ground type sent from God, does everything, best removal that is also a great mon, good progress maker vs most teams I truly believe this 483 BST mon is better than zama, woger, etc. The stuff that clef does is completely unique and also very valuable from a teambuilding standpoint. When you think of mons that break fat, you might think gliscor or ghold, but clef is arguably better into fat just by running utility sets (meaning it does so whilst also being amazing into offense). Hazard immunity mean clef is the best mon in the tier switching into weak moves and whenever clef gets in, it does progress either through rocks, knocking spdef walls, or moonblast outdamaging their wall. Best rocker imo because you beat tusk, you even beat non-steel move treads in the long game with knock, and other removal options are too passive to punish clef teams meaning you are always winning when clef comes out. This is just rocks+knock (best clef set imo), but twave, unaware, life orb, wish are also things that clef can do that are also amazing if u can fit it. I like spdef clef a lot since u can stay in on gking but u can invest in either, depending on ur team. Clef rounds out defensive cores better than any mon since it helps ur team when ur under pressure e.g. if u lose momentum, since it is so bulky with lefties + hazard immunity. Another mon I underrate is zama, no doubt an amazing mon but has so many random checks, if you run into teams with 2+ zama checks it's a very mid mon, and those teams aren't uncommon since zama is a popular mon. Has 4mss, which you could argue dnite has 4mss but zama has very weak coverage (unless u run LO or howl, which has issues too) so u really feel the 4mss more. In good MUs zama is a top 1 mon, but these type of MUs are kinda rare nowadays, people prep for zama heavy. However, still an amazing wincon with knock support but when compared to mons I put above, I think zama is less consistent. I would vote ban for this mon btw, I think it's dumb and playing vs it feels like a toned-down version of tera espathra guessing games. I think woger is noticeably worse than the mons above, but I put it here coz top 10 looks cooler than top 9. Woger overrated, it is very reliable but in practice it gets worn down easy and can be predicton reliant unless u run u-turn, in which u lose a valuable move slot. Also, I hate non-grass move woger, I get it but I think it's mid. Has set variety but its set variety is less explosive than mons above. Dnite set variety is "Oh, it was randomly that tera and now I lose" but woger set varety is more like "The woger was the hazard setter???? Anyways" Obviously im downplaying it but this mon isn't that good, also don't ban this, even stall has ways to beat this (amoong, dnite) I used to rate this guy top 1, I've said what i said about samu-h but gweezing, zap, corv, woger are all mons that are more common nowadays. Amazing amazing progress maker/za check... that loses to ting-lu. It wins long-term and good pult teams don't fold to ting-lu, but pult really wants to hold several items at once and realistically this mon isn't as oppressive as the mons above. one of the best rockers with taunt or smack down, one of the best scarfers, one of the best grounds/ground immune. But not the best. Not outclassed tho, it has u-turn and fast enough to speed bolt without heavy investment
Not passive actually, coz you either run AV spatk invested, or tspike and a tech I like to run is pain split, this has 32 pp, can't be psychic noise'd and lets you chip toxic immunes, mainly gambit/garg. Having a pex = autowin vs HO so you can build your team to beat other stuff. Arguably better at progress making than sd scor, but I don't like how garg can be randomly beaten through sub, covert cloak, or random tech. Also tera'ing a slow mon can lead to lose-lose situations, where you are forced to tera garg for 1 threat but now lose to the other threat. Also bolt weak, but bolt isn't the greatest rn so I'll let that slide. ubers mon in OU is pretty good I use weavile over kyu nowadays, it is less consistent which is why it's lower but it's still amazing. LO weav teams don't need as much removal as you think since 1. weav is fast and beats common rockers and 2. LO weav is an early game breaker so you can afford to sac it for trades. Looks weird to put this above darkrai but realistically weavile fills more holes in your team since it has priority + can run setup + knock which darkrai kinda can't. I rate this highly for similar reasons as pex, this is the single best mon in OU at trading, also amazing into wake. Emergency checks everything, including dnite. another amazing ground, I like this on balance with eq knock spin volt (max spdef), it's surprisingly good at making progress whilst denying progress since it's a spinner that also beats ghold. Stuff that beat treads really hate getting knocked and in practice treads wins games long term. one of the best zama checks since they love running tera dark nowadays, also one of the best pivots, facilitates teams amazingly well. Corv is too passive, it lets in more mons whilst zapdos has to be respected more and so you can punish harder. I was very wrong about this, very amazing mon and one of the best mons into fat, and best removal, though it can be hard to remove sometimes without saccing. However, this mon can be kinda underwhelming sometimes it beats few mons, just that the few mons it beats (gliscor) are very hard to beat otherwise. One of the best knockers, but I prefer clef on fatter teams. On HO this is a staple, but it never feels as good as it appears to be. ting-lu cockblocks knock darkrai, and non-knock faces other problems. You can lose to fairies without sludge and gambit without fblast/wisp. Boots darkrai is kinda weak and unlike weav doesn't have priority, and priority is harder to fit on bootspam teams than the stuff darkrai does. Scarf darkrai is the best set imo. would be top 10 with woger gone, still a beast with woger around, red card acro is amazing, av is amazing, not passive because of flip turn, wish is rare. But yeah woger, dragons, volcanion are annoying the things cind does are extremely unique, this mon never fell off. Btw tera ice blast is an amazing cind set
underrated mon, the reason why specs crown is so good is because it's unwallable and I see it as pseudo-hazard control since it beats every single common rocker, including beating glimm through sash. Single-time kyu switchin and punishes hard. anti meta mon, may get worse over time but rn very solid great mon, I just prefer zap more. cannot be a bad mon, but rn everyone is obsessed with ting lu so there's that. Tera water blast is nice. overrated, but it beats too much for me to put lower. Tho I think people should use bu more, that's corv's best set aside from uturn imo. serp balance and BOs are really good, you can slot 2 of: knock to be unwallable, random terablast, or broken glare on your last move and with synth this mon is amazing at turning opp's progress into your progress, since it switches into a lot. Woger, garg, grounds or passive mons all invite serp and nowadays a lot of top level teams lose to serp. Ting+corv+dnite owned by teraghost, or you just knock the dnite and win later, gking are physdef nowadays, so much webs too, in general meta is amazing for serp rn (Special attacker that destroys lu). paradoxically this mon has gotten worse as it got popular, tera dark zama, clear amulet, garg, covert cloak are all annoying for this. Still amazing and unique. Keld BO is amazing, Nature is healing. Good for the same reason as oras, beats bisharp whilst having offense of its own. Is worse at making progress than woger but crucially can fit boots, or specs which makes vacuum wave a lot more useful into HO. corv with less set variety, but with hazards. In practice corv's u-turn is harder to fit on fatter teams, but fitting skarm allows you to run hazardless scor/tinglu and it's not like you're wasting a teamslot coz skarm is a great mon on its own. another underrated mon, offense cteamer with tera and 4th move of your choice (low kick is very good on this) I can see this rising even more, use this mon it's amazing
best red card mon, I like this way more than deo-s because of tspike absorption and has mortal spin, though some teams don't need the tspike absorption or can fit moth so deo-s is better. Scarf glimm also surprisingly good best revenge killer, actually can switch into something once due to ghost/ground resist, completes voltturn teams like no other mon
scarf is best set, unlike scarf bolt this has ground immunity, has trick, and outspeeds pult so you can twave it. I just value trick scarf really highly, with how explosive gen 9 is, allowing a teammate to setup is very valuable. same thing rotom does, but with moon gone this mon's speed is less valuable, rotom fills more holes imo. Obviously has other sets but I don't like them, scarf is best HO staple, except not really because nowadays I think non moth structures are better. Lu is too annoying, also you run into tran and click x.
I hate to put webs this high, fuck webs it's dumb but webs is the best it's ever been, araq is customizable too, but webs isn't really playing the game (u can run into very shit matchups), so I can't put this higher. underrated mon again, synergizes with zama very well, is a rocker that beats hatt, checks dnite once, checks gambit even on 1 HP. I like clef a lot more tho. 
when comparing your cheeses, sun is more consistent than webs but I feel like nowadays people prep for sun where its good MUs aren't as good as web's good MUs. I wanna put here too, weird to put him a tier below but he is worse.
could see thundy bootspam being meta in a few months, it's an electric that beats lu, a volt switcher that gets knock and is also immune to electric+ground??? Yes please!! https://pokepast.es/8b4720feb270a77c has set variety too, specs is really good actually, scarf is good (if you think that sounds weird look at scarf bolt), LO agility is good on HO. I can see this being the best electric type once more ppl build with it, slept on asf
Glad people finally realise how good latios is, maybe should be in A but this mon is weak to a lot of stuff, and is a fake zama check overrated, hazard lead deo s might be the best set but i prefer my HO lead to have defensive utility, since that's harder to fit than a generic fast mon (val moth etc fill this role). LO is good, boots is good. Deo-s is the most good mon in OU. AV torn is hard to fit, but great. I've also tried NP bleakwind grassknot terablast ground, surprisingly a great set at outlasting balance.
worse than ting lu since you dont beat ghold, worse into garg/clef/bolt but you are way better into dnite, kyurem, pult, sun, and wish allows your teammates to be better into stuff like woger, bolt.
best spinblocker and unique mon that pairs well with balance staples
this mon is good I like blissey a lot on balance/semistall which are 2 playstyles I rate highly, this can slot heal bell which lets you wake up sleeping ting lu or spdef dozo. I know it looks weird to pair bliss + another special wall but having heal bell bliss+rest lu makes you sooo safe against special attackers, lu can even eat knock sometimes in this core
fits so many unique things, but is powercrept. A bit frail
Idk, never used this but it beats me every time
Completely different than bliss since that fits on bootspam, this mon requires removal which can feel awkward, and not as good as a heal bell user than bliss, this uses twave instead
destroys balance but hard to fit over other waters, undeniably a good mon tho
dumb mon, ur dumb if u use this
dozo teams fell off, this does not help vs dnite in practice since all it does it let in dnite's teammate. Still dozo scarf can't break regen, specs/LO/ebelt isn't all that Man, drill would be way higher if ttar wasn't ass, or if hippo got toxic. Drill genuinely is a top 5 anti HO mon, especially with sand chip trolling dnite multiscale, but sand is mid. We need chi yu back to make ttar mainstream again
I probably underrate this too much, I like woger more, but beating dnite is something woger can't do as well. Idk oger cornerstone feels noticably worse than woger since you'll need to make up for shittier typing in the builder.
unexplored mon, i like it on webs, av could be a set? idk i dont use this much but it looks promising
good mon, hard to fit but it can't be bad, it has bpress, scald, so it's a weird mix between pex, mola, gking that doesn't lose to sd gliscor, even if it tera normals u hit it supereffectively with bpress
havent seen slither wing sun since moon died, but theoretically this mon is still good comparable to ghold, but a way better spinblocker and checks most things once, which is all you need in HO. Has priority too worse than mimikyu, trust me. In sun this mon is a lot better, but idk how to rank that so i put this lower. CTC's sun team is very good all thanks to ledge handling certain matchups, but in game ceruledge can be lacking sometimes
All my teams lose to this, underrated mon but hard to slot above ting lu
overrated mon
worse deo s but not by much since it has unique stuff does well into pech and moth, meaning a great partner for za. Heatran is washed tho
decent
water absorb is really good, I hate building with this but it is worth using over lu sometimes.
idk 
eh its decent better OTR than hatt. With that being said, meta is pretty bad for this rn, but I could see it being higher, it's a HO mon that beats HO and garg my goat!!!!!!!!!! hazard setter that beat dnite, whilst also beating tusk/treads, lowkey could be good on offense? The traits quag have are very rare and it's not passive anymore since it gets hazards and has toxic for woger great at trading, but very comparable to tusk/prim this mon is not that good 
I hate using and fighting veil, also it's mid
i used to cook high ladder with this, with screens, sub and tera u just win. Lu is the only annoying mon but you beat every other OU mon with sub + tera. Gking and garg are fake checks, they lose to tera ground. Unfortunately this mon has bad stats (you need to invest in HP too which sucks) and hurricane sucks, but this mon can cheese more often than not this mon sucks, 6-0d by clef
physical kyu but worse, but has knock and priority. Usable, used to be solid with moon around but now harder to justify
Not ass but not that good
i like this mon but I'd rather just use a better mon with hazard control
hard to fit
??? can win tho when someone makes resttalk ursaluna balance that reaches 2200 elo I'll put this in B
bad
decent rocker, i just wanted to put this here to show how shit i think rilla is
trash. btw gterrain teams are outclassed by every other HO playstyle, sure ghold is amazing in gterrain but it's also amazing on web, or on non-cheese playstyles that don't require you to run a shitmon. Gterrain has the honour of choosing to lose to: dnite, zapdos, moltres, cinderace, heatran, moth, ghold, raging bolt, pecharunt, kyurem, dragapult, scizor, meowscarada, + tera ting lu can phaze lucha. fun mon to use if you like bad mons
sucks sucks
thought eterrain would be good with moon gone, pincurchin is just to much of a burden to carry redundant
hatt better ghold better lu better
ghold gone and amoong becomes an OU staple, trust outclassed psyterrain is weak to everything
really shit. rocker and prio but weak without an item
bad
bad
av would be genuinely great with zama gone, rn it's a fairy that loses to zama
av is usable, maybe better but I'll make something eventually not good
I like rain abusers in that order, rain somehow worse than psyterrain tho S -> A+ A -> S
This post has been a long time coming. Zamazenta has been supremely overrated for months at this point, that is something that has been on my mind a while. I however, did not share my opinion until fusien, a player I highly respect and someone who won OST, went to bat for zamazenta as the best pokemon in Overused after I had made the declaration that corviknight was the best pokemon in Overused.
SPL had recently ended and I checked the stats to see if my biases and opinions were purely personal, after all if a good player such as fusien believes it I should take it seriously. I cannot express how shocked I was when I saw the stats. Confirming my opinions more than I had ever dared to imagine. Corviknigtht posted the very best winrate on the list of OU pokemon. Boasting an insane 68% winrate w/o mirror. Meanwhile, Zamazenta is THE WORST in the top 10 most used pokemon.
SPL is supposed to be the most prestigious tour where the best players meet. Yet, all of the tour players just pretended to not notice Zamazenta sucked in the tour? And we are supposed to pretend this pokemon is the best??? What are we the WNBA? Zamazenta is the Angel Reese of pokemon.
I made a video analyzing the SPL winrates of pokemon and went further in depth on Zamazenta and Corviknight's respective performances.
However, my argument goes far beyond just SPL winrates.
Zamazenta simply does not pass the eye or feel test at all as "the best pokemon in OU". Zamazenta is a pokemon with a great many sets that can threaten teams with a bit of variance in answers which makes it versatile. However, Zamazenta is completely blanked in far too many matchups to be seriously considered an S tier pokemon. Pecharunt is a solid pokemon and completely shuts down every single zamazenta set. Corviknight (the best pokemon in Ou rn) shuts down zamazenta's sets bar roar. Idef corv beats idef zenta thanks to helmet unless zenta can crit and 4 attacks is not strong enough. 4 attacks boots zamazenta has to make tough decisions with its coverage options. A variety of landorus, gliscor, moltres, zapdos, gholdengo, clefable, and primarina shut zamazenta down depending on the set. Zamazenta really relies on your opponent to be not great and bring a team with no answer to iron defense zamazenta to truly shine. Those people are growing smaller in number by the day as we have adapted to zamazenta being allowed. I will give zama can pull a game out of its ass with a tera that can beat the opponent, but Dragonite does the whole matchup fishing far more adeptly than the dog.
Obviously every pokemon has a tough matchup or two or they would be banned to ubers. Yet in so many games Zamazenta is just useless. In what game ever played has Corviknight been a useless pokemon? Always does something important in every single matchup. Great Tusk and Kingambit are other worthy contenders for S rank in my mind. Are those pokemon ever blanked on matchup? Could not remember a time I was happy to see a kingambit on the opponent's team, because I had a perfect 100% counter. Great Tusk's utility is important and has to be acknowledged no matter the circumstance, even if it is objectively blanked offensively, its knocks, spins, and hazards have to be contended with.
As for Corviknight, simply the best pokemon in Overused. Corviknight is the absolute hard carry of balance and stall. The premier way to handle meta strong offensive threats such as kingambit, weavile, zamazenta, valiant, and a fair few dragonite sets. What Corviknight does for balance is irreplacable. Who else can take on weavile and kingambit over the course of a long game? Weavile and kingambit are two mons with a complete dearth of long term answers. Brave bird idef press corviknight is perhaps the only pokemon that can trade favorably into them, even if they tera. Corviknight shuts down gliscor, particularly sd gliscor which can be a massive problem for defensive teams, well if the bird knight weren't there.
Corviknight also finds a welcome spot on many offensive teams as a good pivoter. I will not say Corviknight carries bulky offenses it is on, but it is a great role player, uturning on otherwise massive threats so you can bring in your own. Corviknight can hold long enough for your breakers to punch through.
The stats back up Corv the eye test backs up Corv and it sits at A? It is a complete travesty, especially sitting in the same tier as moltres and zapdos, pokemon Corv easily outclasses. Zapdos and moltres do what corv does 100% of the time 30% of the time
