Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v2 [Update on Post #5186]

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Slightly off topic, but still relevant thing;

If Gambit is the suspect, I hope that HAMMERFALL's Last Man Standing is the theme chosen for it. It's so damn fitting for Gambit and what it does lmao.
if it's not "a farewell to kings" i'll be very upset
>Not using "bow down to the king"
>not using "king nothing"
>not even using "just cant wait to be king"
>instead is gonna be a shitty trap song by the newest baby rapper in town lil tusk

btw: don't even try to pull out the California king bed strat just because it has fucking king on it
 
>Not using "bow down to the king"
>not using "king nothing"
>not even using "just cant wait to be king"
>instead is gonna be a shitty trap song by the newest baby rapper in town lil tusk

btw: don't even try to pull out the California king bed strat just because it has fucking king on it
"a farewell to kings" works best because there's no way in hell gambit is sticking around
 
if it's not "a farewell to kings" i'll be very upset
Prepare to be upset, then.

>Not using "bow down to the king"
>not using "king nothing"
>not even using "just cant wait to be king"
>instead is gonna be a shitty trap song by the newest baby rapper in town lil tusk

btw: don't even try to pull out the California king bed strat just because it has fucking king on it
I'd personally use a Queen song for irony (specifically "Killer Queen") + I have actual taste in music.
 
Despite it's bustedness, the thing I really dislike about Gambit is that it rewards you for losing.
When I use Gambit I'm always shocked, it's one of the few Pokemon that can kill with Leftovers and defensive Tera, while almost everything else needs STAB tera or Specs/Band (or both) to pick KOs.
 
Despite it's bustedness, the thing I really dislike about Gambit is that it rewards you for losing.
When I use Gambit I'm always shocked, it's one of the few Pokemon that can kill with Leftovers and defensive Tera, while almost everything else needs STAB tera or Specs/Band (or both) to pick KOs.
Or needing to set up to sweep. +1.5x at the tail end of the game for free is pretty damn busted. Both Leftovers and AV can freely just delete Pokemon.
 
Okay, so what does everyone think about using Moltres in OU?

I've had some games with and it's been very awesome, fishes for Tusk a lot and Heatran is the only real annoying switchin if you're using U-Turn / Flamethrower
I don't use moltres but I've seen enough blunder vids to know that it's pretty solid. Flame body is just so annoying because quad resisting u-turn means that it just switches in on a u-turn and boom, free burn. hurricane could also bait tusk and kill it and u-turn is nice utility. HDB is the #1 thing that makes it viable so you won't be play 5-6 if rocks come up.
 
moltres just suffers from 'notbeingquiteasgoodaszapdos-itus'. It's not bad, far from it, but few teams would rather have moltres over zapdos and few teams want both. Both are status machines between ability/primary attack/hurricane, but not only is discharge better at this than flamethrower, paralyze is more generally useful than burn this generation because this gen has a lot of good special attackers, and some of the best physical attackers have burn immunity.. Both are offensive powerhouses, but zapdos gets marginally better coverage. Both are good pivots, but zapdos can opt into volt switch over u-turn which gives it a pivot that actually does damage, and still get the option to just run u-turn to get the pivot 100% of the time. Zapdos can also do a pretty decent moltres impression with heat wave. There's just not a whole lot of get running moltres over zapdos unless you really want to stick it to specific physical attackers, especially some things spamming u-turn, but generally zapdos gets more mileage.
 
Okay, so what does everyone think about using Moltres in OU?

I've had some games with and it's been very awesome, fishes for Tusk a lot and Heatran is the only real annoying switchin if you're using U-Turn / Flamethrower
I've never used Moltres myself, but have faced it a lot recently and I think it's pretty solid. As Floatstonemafia said, it's similar to Zapdos, but generally slightly worse. However, being similar to Zapdos is certainly not a bad thing and it sets itself apart by being able to switch into most valiant and enamorus sets, which is a very notable pro. Kinda sucks that it gives bax a free setup and you gotta be careful not to let bax switch in for a +1 attack, but the fact that Zapdos is two subranks above it in the viability ranking thread (A+ vs. C+) is laughable imo
 
I've never used Moltres myself, but have faced it a lot recently and I think it's pretty solid. As Floatstonemafia said, it's similar to Zapdos, but generally slightly worse. However, being similar to Zapdos is certainly not a bad thing and it sets itself apart by being able to switch into most valiant and enamorus sets, which is a very notable pro. Kinda sucks that it gives bax a free setup and you gotta be careful not to let bax switch in for a +1 attack, but the fact that Zapdos is two subranks above it in the viability ranking thread (A+ vs. C+) is laughable imo

I think worse is a bit of a stretch, the availability of being able to take on Fairy hits and being in a stalemate with Heatran / Beating Heatran if it's Flame Body. I think they both do things really well and its a bit difficult to compare them for defensive purposes in terms of why each are being used. I think Moltres is only going up in rankings I agree there.

Baxi is annoying lol, but its pretty bad setup fodder for Baxi.
 
speaking of bax, what's everyone using to answer it? i'm partial to azumarill, which has found a spot on most of my teams since the chi-yu/chien-pao days. tera ground eq is still a pain if i don't predict it correctly, though, and one time i got completely fucked over by a random electric tera blast which i think was specifically meant for azumarill (possibly also corv?). anyone else got ideas?
 
speaking of bax, what's everyone using to answer it? i'm partial to azumarill, which has found a spot on most of my teams since the chi-yu/chien-pao days. tera ground eq is still a pain if i don't predict it correctly, though, and one time i got completely fucked over by a random electric tera blast which i think was specifically meant for azumarill (possibly also corv?). anyone else got ideas?

A few options are Iron Defense Corviknight, Bronzong, and Dondozo. Bax doesn't really have many defensive checks. You can also use a defensive Tera on something with good bulk that can take a hit from a boosted Baxcalibur, such as Kingambit, although that will not be in OU for much longer.
 
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speaking of bax, what's everyone using to answer it? i'm partial to azumarill, which has found a spot on most of my teams since the chi-yu/chien-pao days. tera ground eq is still a pain if i don't predict it correctly, though, and one time i got completely fucked over by a random electric tera blast which i think was specifically meant for azumarill (possibly also corv?). anyone else got ideas?
I find bax super hard to switch into as well. I've been putting air balloon gholdengo on many of my teams for a while in part to deal with it and have seen an uptick in balloon dengo/gambit usage, which I assume is meant for bax

Fwiw i think that bax also ran tera electric for dozo
 
speaking of bax, what's everyone using to answer it? i'm partial to azumarill, which has found a spot on most of my teams since the chi-yu/chien-pao days. tera ground eq is still a pain if i don't predict it correctly, though, and one time i got completely fucked over by a random electric tera blast which i think was specifically meant for azumarill (possibly also corv?). anyone else got ideas?
Bax is absurdly hard to answer (which is why I think it should atleast be kept an eye on, there's next to no defensive counterplay). Balloon Gholdengo works well, as do pokemon like Azumarill and Phys Def Corv to an extent. Dozo stuffs every set up variant (does lose to CB Tera Dragon Glaive Rush). Scizor Bullet Punch is decent insurance and Zama is an decent one time switch.Most importantly though, the only reason why Bax isn't outright broken, is that you can exert enough offensive pressure to deny it consistent opportunities to hit the field, even balance/bo can manage somewhat with support from pivots like Zap, Molt, Meow amd Glowking which are otherwise semi safe switchins for Bax, you can pivot out as it comes in. Tera Fairy Garg ,Tera Water Offensive Tusk and Tera Steel Enam are also options. Being perfectly honest, I hope this thing gets banned at some point, it's really just another extremely hard to deal with offensive mon that doesn't really provide any value to the tier and just makes teambuilding even more of a pain. Tera Electric is a very solid Tera on Bax, it's STAB BoltBeam coverage after all off of a gigantic atk stat. It's targets are Corv, Azu, Dozo and Tera Waters. (Can also turn the tables on a Scizor BP or Gambit Iron Head)
 
Okay, so what does everyone think about using Moltres in OU?

I've had some games with and it's been very awesome, fishes for Tusk a lot and Heatran is the only real annoying switchin if you're using U-Turn / Flamethrower
I've played around with Moltres over Talonflame as a physical check. Even though it doesn't get Defog, it does decently well for me.
speaking of bax, what's everyone using to answer it? i'm partial to azumarill, which has found a spot on most of my teams since the chi-yu/chien-pao days. tera ground eq is still a pain if i don't predict it correctly, though, and one time i got completely fucked over by a random electric tera blast which i think was specifically meant for azumarill (possibly also corv?). anyone else got ideas?
Scarf Gardevoir. c: No one respects the scarf and their Bax gets deleted by it.
252 SpA Gardevoir Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Baxcalibur: 342-404 (92.1 - 108.8%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

If they don't have boots and any hazards are up, Bax just crumples over like a piece of tinfoil.
 
I've played around with Moltres over Talonflame as a physical check. Even though it doesn't get Defog, it does decently well for me.

Scarf Gardevoir. c: No one respects the scarf and their Bax gets deleted by it.
252 SpA Gardevoir Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Baxcalibur: 342-404 (92.1 - 108.8%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

If they don't have boots and any hazards are up, Bax just crumples over like a piece of tinfoil.
I’m surprised by how annoying Scarf Gardevoir actually is when facing it. Just casually screwing over mons with immunity abilities like Flash Fire and Water Absorb when switching into them using Trace, having good STAB, Trick. Could actually work decently well as a revenge killer on some teams.
 
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