Who's malding? We won.
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Who's malding? We won.
its over, this is the best post in the entire thread, might as well pack it up, everyone
in other news can we quickban the fish now?
“Unfortunate" doesn't begin to describe my voting, this community rewards bad tiering decisions and nothing else, I am beyond convinced at this point. After getting completely tooled by voting with my barely attaining voting requirements, losing this way somehow felt even worse than I had thought possible. My voting was superior, my melodramatic arguement was superior, and I lost, so I don't see a reason to continue engaging in an activity where what is within my control is overwhelmingly outweighed by 0.75%.
If I wanted to fight NPCs I’d go on cartridge
You got me. But I'm almost certain there will be another voting anyways because of the heavy backlash rn. Most people are (obviously) not happy
You clearly misinterpreted what I said if you're referencing Dynamax in response to that post, but your (implied) support of Dynamax tells me all I need to know lol.
never said i supported it. just that the "vote is bad if thing i dont like" seems prominent in these comments
Touch grass
keep spitting g, i need more copypastas for the discord
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but its prolly not happening for a while, maybe as soemone else pointed out once home releases
I have no unironic opinion on Tera (my ironic opinion is "lol skill issue + l2p + l2s"), but it's absolutely hilarious watching people mald on Smogon.com because a single decision didn't go their way. We all knew that the supermajority required for Tera being restricted/banned was never gonna be reached anyway, it was a pipe dream considering the solid amount of people wanting no action. If you're in the Anti-Tera camp, I would just place my hopes on a resuspect ASAP.
I disagree. I believe keeping this a supermajority like it historically has been in the past was the right move here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the methodology behind making OU suspects have a supermajority of 60% as opposed to a raw majority of 50%+1 is because OU is the most stable of the usage-based tiers, since it doesn't suffer from the unpredictable tier shifts that lower tiers are beholden to. This means that a greater portion of the OU tier must agree that the aspect in question is banworthy because it is unlikely aspects will be introduced that make it balanced (well, at least before DLC was a thing), as opposed to lower tiers where Mon A can be broken for a month, but then Mons B-E drop into the tier that beat Mon A handily while Mons F-H rise that helped enable it, and suddenly Mon A isn't broken anymore. This is an extreme example, but my point is that a simple majority works better in lower tiers than it does in OU and that bans/unbans are harder to revert in OU than in other tiers. Thus, a supermajority to ensure that a wide portion of a community agrees with a decision is a good thing to ensure action is not hastily taken.
Think about it like this. Taking action on Tera is a huge decision, one that will have ramifications on how Gen 9 will be tiered for the rest of its lifespan. Would it be fair for 51% to decide action should be taken over the voices of a near-equal 49% believing no action is the better choice? Or would a 60% supermajority be fairer?
I disagree. I believe keeping this a supermajority like it historically has been in the past was the right move here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the methodology behind making OU suspects have a supermajority of 60% as opposed to a raw majority of 50%+1 is because OU is the most stable of the usage-based tiers, since it doesn't suffer from the unpredictable tier shifts that lower tiers are beholden to. This means that a greater portion of the OU tier must agree that the aspect in question is banworthy because it is unlikely aspects will be introduced that make it balanced (well, at least before DLC was a thing), as opposed to lower tiers where Mon A can be broken for a month, but then Mons B-E drop into the tier that beat Mon A handily while Mons F-H rise that helped enable it, and suddenly Mon A isn't broken anymore. This is an extreme example, but my point is that a simple majority works better in lower tiers than it does in OU and that bans/unbans are harder to revert in OU than in other tiers. Thus, a supermajority to ensure that a wide portion of a community agrees with a decision is a good thing to ensure action is not hastily taken.
Think about it like this. Taking action on Tera is a huge decision, one that will have ramifications on how Gen 9 will be tiered for the rest of its lifespan. Would it be fair for 51% to decide action should be taken over the voices of a near-equal 49% believing no action is the better choice? Or would a 60% supermajority be fairer?
“Unfortunate" doesn't begin to describe your reply, this community rewards bad meme takes and nothing else, I am beyond convinced at this point. After getting completely tooled on by memes with your not even attaining voting requirements, you losing this way somehow feels even better than I had thought possible. Our memeing was superior, your melodramatic counter-argument was inferior, and you lost, so I don't see a reason to continue engaging in an activity where what is within my control overwhelmingly outclasses your ability to meme back by 75%.
Aslong as they do it before the gen ends idm
“Unfortunate" doesn't begin to describe my voting, this community rewards bad tiering decisions and nothing else, I am beyond convinced at this point. After getting completely tooled by voting with my barely attaining voting requirements, losing this way somehow felt even worse than I had thought possible. My voting was superior, my melodramatic arguement was superior, and I lost, so I don't see a reason to continue engaging in an activity where what is within my control is overwhelmingly outweighed by 0.75%.
I really hope for a retest when Home comes out cause with the new potentially broken tera users, it will become harder to manage.
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Seems like grass doesn’t want to be touched
don't be toxic because of the results of a suspect test CHALLENGE (impossible)
Unlike some crybabies I think supermajority was super necessary for this vote, even as someone who would've preferred to see action. Tera is the defining mechanic of the gen and shouldn't be banned unless its very clear its what the community as a whole really wants.
I also know and want to mention this vote got a lot of "tourism" so votes might not be 1:1 with what the long-term playerbase will look like for this gen, but I think it's important that anyone that puts forth the effort to get reqs gets their say. I remember in olden days of having my vote rejected despite meeting reqs for that type of reason and it felt awful.
My point I guess is there is no excuses. This vote NEEDED to be a supermajority to feel fair acting on such a massive part of the gen, and this vote makes waves in policy for how the rest of the tiers will work in SV. People that didn't want to see action came out and voted and made it happen. Gotta respect that, instead of calling the vote a sham.
I also know and want to mention this vote got a lot of "tourism" so votes might not be 1:1 with what the long-term playerbase will look like for this gen, but I think it's important that anyone that puts forth the effort to get reqs gets their say. I remember in olden days of having my vote rejected despite meeting reqs for that type of reason and it felt awful.
My point I guess is there is no excuses. This vote NEEDED to be a supermajority to feel fair acting on such a massive part of the gen, and this vote makes waves in policy for how the rest of the tiers will work in SV. People that didn't want to see action came out and voted and made it happen. Gotta respect that, instead of calling the vote a sham.
May I recommend a fire Tera type if you wish to avoid grass making contact with you?
Kid named Stealth Rock:
Hey, so I'm just going to keep this simple and brief. Don't bother Terastallization anymore, either through replying "Action, Outright ban " on its vote or elsewhere like on Discord/whatever other platform. Just leave it alone and be on your way. I know you are most likely not equally involved or that there might be others that I didn't include here, but the message stays the same. This will be the only and final warning. If I see this behavior continuing I'll infract you and disable your right vote. Feel free to respond to this if you want or not, doesn't really matter.
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