I think the council should ban all of these initially and just test or vote as “test” to test some of them back in after couple weeks.
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion
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regieleki has the most mid stats ever outside of speed. I think it'll suffer from the same thing electivire did in DPP where super effective coverage just isn't enough to compensate for mid stats. I'd enjoy being proven wrong tho
The vibe I’m getting from Finch’s vote is that if we’ve seen it broken, it’s broken
OU hasn’t seen Regeleki + Tera broken yet (NatDex has, but that’s irrelevant), the Zamas are heavily nerfed from last gen and they were suspected into OU last gen (but were rejected rip)
If Chien-Pao gets unbanned, I wonder what will happen to 
Unbanning everything and then doing quickban waves again seems like the best way to go. Theorymon and posting calcs is all great fun but in Sworld and Shield many even top players were convinced that Blaziken should not be unbanned because it would break the tier, only for it to end up in UU. You can never truly know if something is going to be broken or not unless you unban it first.
Baxcalibur can switch in on Scald with impunity. That lets it wallbreak a lot of stuff way easier.If Chien-Pao gets unbanned, I wonder what will happen to
Landorus-I has been uber for 5 gens straight, quick banned for 4, and has GAINED NASTY PLOT this gen. I'm gonna die on the hill that the council is genuinely incompetent if they let it touch OU for even a day
My main reasoning was that it’s never been seen in OU in anything close to this capacity — it was OU/UUBL last generation without Tera and I think it can be broken with Tera, but I’m not confident due to the reliance on it to burn your Tera. I can see it going quickly.
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Here's my two cents.
Annihilape: Honestly, I could see the argument to suspect this and I think out of the slate it is one of the more viable ones for the tier, but I would still lean ban so long as Terra is in the shape it is in. This imo was the example of how Defensive terra could be just as problematic if not more than offensive Terra.
Basculegion and Houndstone: Just lumping them together because its the same thing. Is Last Respects banned? If so, they are fine in OU and decent weather sweepers that would add to the tier. Are we allowing Last Respects? Hell no, keep them in ubers.
Chi Yu: Ban, nothing incoming from Home save Heatran does anything to stop it from just nuking everything in sight.
Chien Pao: OU. I think it has legs to exist in regular OU again. Home raises the power level so high that the main thing that broke it imo (its speed control combined with its breaking power) is not as insane as it was. I think this is the shakiest OU choice personally but I could see it being fine for the tier.
Espathra: Maybe if Terra gets absolutely nuked out of the tier Espathra might be ok, but it is still just such a MU fishing mon I would say let the turkey rot in Ubers.
Flutter Mane: Honestly the only thing that might be as busted as this thing is Landorus Incarnate. Let it stay in Ubers where it belongs.
Iron Bundle: Uber. Traditional Ice resists just get blasted by freeze dry or its water stab, its too good at speed control and breaking and Home doesnt add anything that easily deals with the bobblehead.
Landorus I: No
Magearna: Spikes does not break it, but it has everything that broke it in half in OU last gen. It also is going to benefit hard from the lack of Fairies in the tier, so even if it was not automatically busted, it would just be so centralizing. Ban it.
Palafin: Ban, I dont think really anything changes why this mon was so toxic
Regieleki: OU. I know Terra and Terra blast is spooky, but OU is not Nat Dex. Being forced to burn your Terra for Regi is a big enough drawback I think it will be fine.
Spectrier: Its main issue was coverage for Dark types last gen, and it got Draining Kiss... No, let the horse rot in Ubers.
Urshifu S: Ban. We have less good fairy types and it learns Swords Dance now, no thank you.
Zamazenta Hero: OU. While we do not have the best fighting resists, its pretty much just a fast choice band user and I doubt it breaks the tier in half. I'm shakier on this than Crowned, but I think it would be fine.
Zamazenta Crowned: OU, I think that Body Press sets are a bit bait, and that is this thing's main niche outside of being a generic beatstick. As a beatstick its easily a good mon, but I do not think its ban worthy.
Does Landorus-I need one for the thumb for OU bans?
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a take that bad is normally reserved for people below 1100
Accept your L and move on bruh
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Um I thought 12 year olds weren’t allowed to be on the site?
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I agree with Giratina probably being healthy, but if I ran this Tier, I would still conservatively Ban it initially and retest later in a more stable meta, just like Zamazenta. I think that in the chaotic initial meta false impressions could be made and it could look more broken than it really is. This would make it harder to retest later in the Gen, since there would be more opposition to it due to bad initial experience. Same goes to Zamazenta for similar reason, though at least this one proved to be healthy in National Dex.
To sum up, as one of the original people who proposed to test Zamazenta and Giratina, I think it's in our interests to wait for a more stable meta before doing so.
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