Resource SV RU Role Compendium

[Ampha]

Stolen from keppy from the SS PU Role Compendium.

SV RU Role Compendium​

Entry Hazard Setters
Stealth Rock:

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Spikes:
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Toxic Spikes: |
Sticky Webs:

Entry Hazard Removal/Deterrents
Defog:
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Rapid Spin:
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Defiant/Contrary/Competitive:
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Spinblockers:
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Magic Bounce:

Tidy Up:
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Setup Users
Swords Dance:
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Nasty Plot:
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Quiver Dance:

Calm Mind:
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Bulk Up:
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Iron Defense/Acid Armor:
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Shift Gear:

Shell Smash:

Trailblaze:
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Dragon Dance:
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Other:
(Belly drum) (Victory dance) (Tidy Up) (Meteor beam) (Agility) (Scale Shot)
(Mirror Herb + Swagger) (Meteor Beam + Trick Room) (Throat Spray)


Wallbreakers
Physical:
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Special: |
Mixed:
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Revenge Killers
Choice Scarf:
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Priority: | (Extreme speed), | (Mach Punch) , | (Sucker punch), (Aqua Jet), (Accelerock), | (Shadow Sneak), | (Vacuum Wave), (First impression), (Bullet Punch) (Ice shard)
Naturally fast:
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Momentum
U-turn:
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Volt Switch:
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Flip Turn:
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Parting Shot:
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Teleport:

Eject Pack/Button:


Utility/hazing/anti-setup
Knock Off:
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Roar/ Whirlwind:
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Dragon Tail:
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Taunt:
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Encore:
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Haze:
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Trick/Switcheroo:
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Toxic:
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Clerics
Wish:
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Healing Wish:

Heal Bell:


Weather
Rain Setters:
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Rain Abusers:

Snow Setters:

Snow Abusers:

Sun Setters:
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Sun Abusers:
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[ishtar]

This is very much so a WIP. I really wanna make this as complete as possible so hmu on disc if you feel like something relevant is missing or, (god forbid) I made a mistake. Tried to make this as concise as possible and taking in most of what Ive read through forums, cord and room. Theres stuff like Jolteon thats arguably not very viable but that I still included due to discussion, but in equal measures Im sure I missed the "very potent Special Flareon set that got me to top 1 on the ladder". I also abstained from including certain playstyles such as Rain and TR since I personally havent seen them much at all in contrast to Sun and Hail which either got recent Kickoff usage or I saw through Ladder Tour reqs. Later on Imma add individual checks to types like in the linked Role Compendium at the top of this thread, but for now this felt alright enough for posting, but yea hmu if anything!! Hope this is okie dokie :pleadingface:

 

[KouOku]

this has been very very helpful thank you so much man actually great work

 

[DisasterLesbian]

blissey cant learn heal bell, since nothing can pass it onto it.

 

[Found then Lost]

Munkidori learns U-Turn though it isn't listed under that role, which I'd argue is more useful on it than Parting Shot since it can activate Toxic Chain with it. Two other Pokemon that are not listed under roles they fulfill that come immediately to mind are adding Milotic as a Dragon Tail user, and Avalugg as a Rapid Spinner.

Mixed:

This is a good example of something confusing to me: Why do we mark Pokemon as able to fulfill a role when they don't tend to fulfill said role? Hoopa's not the problem here, it's Enamorus. While I'm not saying an Enam can't TECHNICALLY use its physical attack (115 base Atk with STAB Play Rough), I am asking when it's viable to be run over a SpA-focused set. If we were going to add everything that technically could do things to some success, I present Shift Gear Cyclizar to the jury, or Teleport Gardevoir/Gallade. I don't want that, I'd rather some things be pruned down to actual users.

Also, could we have categories like walls added? I see nary a Hippo in this post and it is making me sad.
that is all, i appreciate the list, sorry for the nitpicking ^.^

 

[Ampha]

Munkidori learns U-Turn though it isn't listed under that role, which I'd argue is more useful on it than Parting Shot since it can activate Toxic Chain with it. Two other Pokemon that are not listed under roles they fulfill that come immediately to mind are adding Milotic as a Dragon Tail user,

fair points on both munkidori and milotic, I forgot some of them so its nice to get a reminder

Avalugg as a Rapid Spinner.

Avalugg is not rly viable on RU right now, so thats why its not on this, id have slotted it in Iron defense if anything as well

This is a good example of something confusing to me: Why do we mark Pokemon as able to fulfill a role when they don't tend to fulfill said role? Hoopa's not the problem here, it's Enamorus. While I'm not saying an Enam can't TECHNICALLY use its physical attack (115 base Atk with STAB Play Rough), I am asking when it's viable to be run over a SpA-focused set.

Enamorus has some potential to use some physical coverage if necessary, so thats why its mentioned on there(its not on Physical for a reason)
the following ones were also on the old thread but removed, since they were not viable at all and therefore, not listed.

Also, could we have categories like walls added? I see nary a Hippo in this post and it is making me sad.
that is all, i appreciate the list, sorry for the nitpicking ^.^

And I might have forgotten that one so, thanks for the reminder

 

[GrandpaTheGreat]

Is there a version with walls added? Or are walls, like, not viable in this meta?

 

[fluff!!]

Add Jirachi:
- Stealth Rock setter
Set Uppers
- Calm Mind
- Meteor Beam
Revenge Killers
- Choice Scarf
Momentum
- U-turn
Utility/hazing/anti-setup
- Encore
- Trick
Clerics
- Wish
- Healing Wish
Weather
- Rain setters

Add Barraskweda:
Wallbreakers
- Physical
Revenge Killers
- Priority (Aqua Jet)
- Naturally fast
Momentum
- Flip Turn
Weather
- Rain abusers

 

[Zephaniah Δ]

Why do we mark Pokemon as able to fulfill a role when they don't tend to fulfill said role?

TSMT! When looking at some of the Pokemon listed in certain roles, they are listed solely in a quantitative manner. Just because they can, doesn't mean that they should.

For example, Conkeldurr is under the Defog category; why would you ever use Conkeldurr as a defogger? It's something that doesn't particularly work on a conceptual level. A good entry hazard user should either be fast or bulky to tank a hit. While Conkeldurr can tank a hit physically, it's bad at tanking special hits and very slow. Now, being slow and weak to special attacks isn't the end of the world; Forretress has worse special bulk and lower (...by like 5) speed. However, the difference lies in what they bring. Forretress has better physical bulk, access to Spikes, slow pivot potential with Volt Switch, role compression, fantastic typing, and an amazing ability in Sturdy. In comparison, Conkeldurr eats all status and breaks walls, but that isn't good for him. He'll need to sacrifice a move for Defog; Facade, Drain Punch/Close Combat, Knock Off, and Mach Punch are all very good for him. I suppose you could get rid of Mach Punch but then he can't circumvent his issue of slow speed. Overall, you would just be better if you picked Forretress due to its role compression, typing, and ability it provides.

I don't really need to go more in-depth about everything else, but I do think there's mons in where, even though it can be a very "Why?" choice, in a certain environment, they can fill that niche. A better way to handle this issue is to have a divisor in the categories so it indicates which Pokemon in that tasked role are niche and which ones aren't.
For example, currently the Defog category looks like this:

Defog:

With these changes, however, the Defog category now looks like this:

Defog:
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Now, you could very well place Hisuian Decidueye in that niche category because it's just... kinda bad, but that's beside the point. Alternatively, you could go the extreme route and shave off all the fat, but this is, frankly, quite a destructive move. It's your call, though.

Also this needs to be updated due to the recent bans and what not, along with adding a category for walls and such. Anyway that's all I wanted to write about, peace!