Team Binary Star

Team Binary Star - OU RMT

Team Binary Star

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OK this has gotta be the greatest team I made in a while (Which isn't saying much cause ever since Platinum came out I've been making trash teams), and it broke another one of my monthly team building slumps so it deserves to be put in a RMT, but first background info. OK so I was sitting there watching Smogon chat get trolled again (It happens every 5 minutes so I didn't really care) while listening to a great hip hop group (This to be exact) called Binary Star and I was like "Holy shit, this song is too amazing not to make a team out of it. But I wanted it to be good, something that could actually show potential to be amazing. Something that wasn't 6 Jirachi's to fit my whole "Binary Star theme". So I set out to make my best team ever. Eventually I stumbled upon Aldaron's thread about offensive combo's and found Legacy's Offensive Suicune and SD Lucario core which is based around Suicune's ability to lure in shit like Celebi, Zapdos, and suprisingly Rotom (I still don't see how non-scarf Rotom counters any suicune, maybe they were thinking I'm a Resttalker and were trying to pressure me into resting, IDK) and 2HKO them all with Ice Beam and Surf. Now after reading up on a few RMT's (Most notably Vashta's Welcome Home) I finally got on the right train of thought and started building this monstrosity.

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Binary Star (Gliscor) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 HP/32 Def/224 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Roost
- Taunt

Now this is the definition of an anti lead. It completely tears apart most common leads (Swampert is a bitch though). It can counter the top 3 amazingly except Azelf, who without U-turn is tougher since I'm forced to switch in Tyranitar then pursuit, possibly letting it set up screens if its one of those copied and pasted Dual Screen Azelf and DD Gyara, Mence, Tar, Agiligross and Lucario teams. So many leads are vulnerable to taunt, especially Roserade, which is one of the reasons I ran Gliscor in the first place. Suicune hates Toxic Spikes more than anything so Gliscor is really necessary to stop them so the opponent can't stop Suicune from stopping Lucario's main counters, but we'll learn more about that later. Gliscor also functions as my Luke check, and my main Electric and rock resist because those 2 types are so hard to find resists for. Without gliscor I'd be in a tight spot against CB Tar who could just spam Stone Edge and take off chunks of health from my team (Since I'm sort of meh on the whole switching Lucario into a CB Tar) and a scarf Latias would be the only thing preventing people from spamming Thunderbolt against me.

Now, Taunt and U-turn is something thats been bugging me since I made this team. U-turn lets Scizor get the jump on Aerodactyl leads and faster leads but Taunt helps me more against stall which I hate completely. It also let me get the upper hand against Smeargle and Roserade leads, which are a lot more popular than they were before. Taunt can also help me deal with pesky breloom's that think they can manhandle my team with that hellspawn of a set called Subpunch. U-turn is appealing to me sometimes like when I have to risk losing Tar to an explosion just to stop Azelf leads. I seriously hate Game Freak cause with 4 moveslots I'm forced to choose between 2 amazingly useful moves. So after a little bit of testing I've settled on Taunt but I'm still kind of shaky on it since I lose the ability to stop so many leads and the fact that Gliscor is so much better at scouting with U-turn than Scizor.

The EV's are a slight alteration of the standard Gliscor. Jolly, enough speed to outrun base 90's, Max HP yadayadayada. It gets interesting when I boost the speed though. See somebody taught me something a while back. Smart people run enough to outspeed others on that speed tier, smarter people run enough speed to outrun the smart people. So I started running enough to outspeed Jolly 220 Gliscors so I can Taunt them (Another reason I chose Taunt) while they try to Taunt me and it can give me a chance to scout their teams because most Gliscor's don't run Stone Edge nowadays. Speaking of Stone Edge, I chose to run the set with Stealth Rock because its a lead and Stealth Rock allows Lucario to gain a bunch of OHKO's, Earthquake is for the obligatory STAB move and Roost is for Recovery. The previous paragraph adequately explained my reasoning for running taunt. All that I can really say about Gliscor now is how it stands up against the top 10 leads, cause thats always awesome right?

This is how Gliscor fairs against the top ten common leads according to the usage statistics; blue indicates little trouble caused, orange indicates that there is a bit of switching to do, and red is problematic:(Copied from Vashta's RMT, hope you don't mind!)
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    Metagross: If theres one thing I learned, always EQ first. For some reason, I'm running into a bunch of trick scarf leads, and just weird pokemon in general. But anyway, I EQ first then I SR because they usually try Scarfing or SRing themselves which really doesn't matter.
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    Azelf: I need to switch to Tyranitar to stop these things. They're a pain in the ass.
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    Jirachi: Kinda like Metagross but almost always scarfed so I always EQ. Ice Punch variants don't KO either so I'm safe to switch in Suicune and begin setting up.
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    Swampert: I have HUGE Swampert problems, all sets. I can only take it out then and there with Scizor u-turning to Latias then hitting with draco meteor.
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    Aerodactyl: Switch to Scizor, 2HKO with Bullet Punch. Easy.
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    Infernape: SR Then switch to Latias to force it out or face the wrath of my Surf. Or I could 2HKO with EQ and not risk it.
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    Hippowdon: Taunt, SR, then Taunt the switch in since Hippowdon leads screams Stall team.
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    Bronzong: Taunt again, SR again on the Gyro Ball and just stall it out.
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    Ninjask: Taunt so its basically useless, then SR so it thinks twice about coming in next time.
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    Tyranitar: To be honest, I haven't faced 1 the entire time I used this team, but judging by what I've heard in Shoddy chat, its usually mixed with Ice Beam and Flamethrower so I don't really have a safe switch.

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MadVillian (Scizor) (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/8 Def
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- Quick Attack
- Superpower
- U-turn

Really awesome. I was a little skeptical at first for using a CB Quick Attack Scizor but hey, it is Quick Attack. But suprisingly its an effective set. Its like the ultimate scout and revenge killer because not many sweepers can take a CB Bullet Punch effectively while shrugging off Quick Attacks. Gyarados for example is a major problem when Latias is out and Scizor's Bullet Punch doesn't really scratch it. But with Quick Attack I can use Scizor as a secondary check for the thing, just like a lot of other tough pokemon. Sometimes the fact that I'm not bulkier (Like my T-Tar set) really fucks me over when switching into some attacks, like a Gengar's Thunderbolt or something crazy like that.

I know what you guys are thinking, why run a CB Tar and a CB Scizor on the same team. Don't they accomplish the same exact thing? No. Scizor's whole purpose on this team is to revenge kill and counter threats like Alakazam (Lol) and Gengar who wouldn't normally be countered by the rest of the team. It was also a perfect fit too, since nothing else has resists as useful as Scizor, especially this late in the team building process where I had 1 spot available and a whole lot of stuff to stop.

Now for the moveset! A lot of people have to decide which is more powerful, Brick Break or Superpower. Superpower scores that OHKO on Magnezone and Heatran switch-ins (Which I don't think Brick Break can do) but Brick Break doesn't result in a nasty defense drop that other scizor's could take advantage of (Because we all know that in a Scizor vs Scizor situation, the slowest one always wins thanks to Superpower's drop) but I decided that I'd just run Superpower and run that last 8 EVs in Defense instead of Speed. Bullet Punch is pretty obvious and Quick attack is used for already explained reasons.

EVs let me switch in on Stealth rock more times provided I'm not damaged and the Defense EV's are there so I can take a Superpower from a rival Scizor, let it outspeed me, then KO with a Superpower. Because these situations happen more often than you'd think.

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Clipse (Latias) (F) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 76 HP/4 Def/176 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Surf
- Thunderbolt
- Trick

My most useful member and my most fragile member. This has saved my ass so many times against Mence and Gyarados only to get KO'd by a Tyranitar/Scizor switch in. None the less, amazing pokemon and an amazing revenge killer. It can deal with any pokemon under the sun that could give me problems. Gliscor faces a Starmie lead? Switch to Scizor on the Ice Beam and then pivot to Latias to force it out! Blissey's being a dick and stopping Suicune from doing its job? Lure it in with Latias and scarf the thing! In fact on that note, leftovers from Blissey can help a lot when dealing with Tyranitar's Sand Stream.

Latias also provides me with valuable resists, for example Water and ground mess me up pretty badly already but with Latias (And Gliscor apparently) these weaknesses aren't as horrible. But damn I hate relying on Choice Scarf Latias for resists because not only is it fragile and pursuit bait but it also has no recovery so it gets worn down extremely easily. So I decided to downplay my speed to 176 so I could outrun max speed Salamence and added the rest into HP so I could take hits a little better.

I chose these moves so Latias could get the most coverage, Draco Meteor so I could OHKO those pesky Salamences and Thunderbolt for Gyarados. Surf gives me coverage and the ability to hit Infernape if he's starting to be a problem.

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Slaughtahouse (Tyranitar) (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP/40 Atk/216 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Crunch
- Pursuit
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge

This is where things get fun. Tyranitar is the powerhouse of the team and the first part of my "tri-core" along with Lucario and Suicune. Tyranitar Pursuits all those nasty psychics like Celebi and Cresselia and can stop Scarf Zone and Scarf Rotom which could stop both of their sweeps. Since most teams can't really find a pokemon that can reliably resist a stab Stone Edge, especially coming off of 517 attack so its really great for weakening teams so they're in the range for my other pokemon like Latias, Scizor, or Suicune. Specially defensive Tyranitar wasn't my first choice for this slot until I realized that normal CB Tar gets worn down too easily by a Zapdos's Thunderbolt so I decided to go for the Special Tar in order to sponge some attacks like Thunderbolts and Ice Beams.

Now let me explain Tyranitar's role more specifically. Lucario's set is below so you can skip down there to see what it is. Now the main things that plague Lucario normally are:

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Rotom, Zappy, Celebi and Cress would be taken down by Tyranitar with sandstorm helping him sponge Thunderbolts and Grass Knots. The others are handled by the rest of the team for example Gyara and Mence are taken down by Latias. Pursuit is an amazing move because Tyranitar forces so many switches thanks to the immediate threat of Stone Edge or Crunch and then take advantage of that by taking a huge chunk of HP from it. In fact, Crunch is basically never used unless I have a clean sweep with this guy.

The EV's let me survive a Focus Blast from Gengar and OHKO with Crunch. I'm running Earthquake instead of Aqua Tail because without Max Attack, I miss a 2HKO on Hippowdon and Aqua Tail, which is really the only reason you'd run Aqua Tail and the ability to not be walled by Steels is way better than 3HKO's on Bulky grounds.

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Liquid Swords (Suicune) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 32 HP/224 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Surf
- Substitute
- Ice Beam

This is my favorite member of the team, solely because when every one see's suicune, they think "SCARF IT! EXPLODE ON IT!" only to find Subcune and see me CM on it and start sweeping. Seriously everyone sends in their metagross's while I CM and I sub and they'll Explode on my sub and then I'll usually get a clean sweep as most of the time, exploding is their only answer to Suicune. Suicune is a amazing at setting up subs too, just come in on things you know you can force out. Gyarados (They'll be expecting HP Electric), Heatran, etc. then abuse that Subsistute and punch holes.

Suicune is Part 2 of my tricore, along with Lucario and Tyranitar. Suicune lures in pokemon like Scarf Rotom (Along with regular rotom's) and Zapdos and can 2-1HKO both (Although I prefer using Tyranitar instead of Suicune of Scarf Rotom as they'll be forced to T-Bolt) and it can also OHKO Gliscor who is the best Lucario counter in the game. Suicune also has that added benefit of Ice beaming Celebi switch in's and using Cress as set up fodder. But a lot of the time, Suicune usually means gg for the opponent and setting up Lucario isn't even necessary.

Subcune suffers from that horrible 4 moveslot syndrome, ultimately making me choose Ice beam or HP Electric. HP electric was considered cause it wouldn't rely on Gyara being scared out and just get it out of the way but Ice Beam provides me the KO's this team needs so I eventually decided on that. The EV's lemme get the jump on Sub charge rotoms (Fastest non scarf Rotom you'll see and let me 2HKO with Surf.

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The Infamous (Lucario) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Close Combat
- Swords Dance
- Stone Edge
- Extremespeed

The centerpoint of the team, now with added Gyara Insurance!

This is the 3rd and final part of my tricore along with the previously mentioned Suicune and Tyranitar. Now after Suicune lures in Zapdos's and takes them out while Tyranitar takes care of those Scarf Rotom's that give Lucario a lot a trouble are taken out, Lucario then proceeds to sweep without any troubles. And it has a suprisingly easy time setting because since Latias is my main pokemon for revenge killing and checking threats, its amazing Pursuit bait. And since most Pursuiters (coughtyranitar/scizorcough) are Banded, it give Lucario the perfect opportunity to switch in and start tearing shit up. Close Combat is overwhelmingly powered as always, which nearly OHKO's everything that doesn't resist it after a Swords Dance. Stone Edge is for the Gyarados's that try to switch in and force me out only to get OHKO'd. Extremespeed is what makes Lucario Revenge kill proof (With the exception of Scarf-rotom, who's probably dead anyway) since it will at least take off a huge chunk out of anything that's fast enough to stop me.

The EV's standard. Max/Max blah blah blah. Adamant is here instead of Jolly is because I'll want to hit as hard as possible and Jolly isn't really letting me outspeed much (Unless I'm missing something) and those extra OHKO's on Adamant Luke are just too damn appealing. Now before I used to run Crunch over Stone Edge but then I realized that Tyranitar ruins all Psychics/Ghosts that could stop Lucario's sweep although it can't stop Gyarados which is another common switch in to Lucario.


A Final Look

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Threat List
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  • This is an edit of Unholy Calamity's amazing threat list, its has sets that each threat mainly uses and the part right next to the pokemon shows my initial switch in.
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  • Orange means they can cause a bit of trouble.
  • Red means they are very difficult to take down.
Offensive Threats
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Aerodactyl : Scizor is my initial switch in as it ruins all sets.


  • Lead : Scizor 2HKO's
  • Choice Bander : Scizor OHKO's.

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Azelf : Tyranitar.


  • Nasty Plot : I don't think Azelf can OHKO with a +2 HP Fighting and I can Pursuit it to make sure it dies. Haven't faced 1 though.
  • Lead : Switch to Tyranitar and Crunch.
  • Life Orb Sweeper : Tyranitar can switch in but again, haven't faced one.

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Breloom : Whatever looks the least useful for the rest of the match. Then to Gliscor to wall it.


  • Sub Spore : Gliscor walls it but Seed Bomb makes it hard to roost.

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Dragonite : Scizor if I'm not expecting a fire blast.


  • MixNite : Scizor can revenge kill it effectively.
  • DDNite : Scizor reliably handles Extremespeed.
  • Bulky DDNite : Scizor since it usually doesn't run Fire Blast/Fire Punch

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Electivire : Hahahahahha, really? Actually nothing on my team can effectively handle Physical variants but whatever.


  • Physical Coverage : Nothing, but Latias can probably survive an Ice Punch and Draco Meteor back.
  • Mixed Vire : Even easier. Latias destroys this thing.

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Empoleon : Latias


  • Sub Peyata : Latias can come in and keep spamming thunderbolt to hurt it.
  • Lead : Tricky. I usually switch to Suicune for Ice Beam/Hydro Pump then go to Latias to Thunderbolt it.

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Flygon : Scizor


  • Bander : Scizor absorbs Outrages and U-Turns but its a hard pokemon to handle.
  • Scarfer : Same as above but even easier since Earthquake doesn't hit nearly as hard.
  • Life Orb : Never seen one but it'll probably be in the same boat as the Bander.

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Gengar : Scizor to break the sub than I hit it with whatever I can after it Subs and HP Fire's me. It'll usually be Latias.


  • Sweeper : Pain in the ass. Scizor can switch in, break the sub and get killed by HP Fire while Latias revenge kills it.
  • Choice Scarf : Scizor can handle it more effectively.
  • Speced : Hits like a goddamn bomb. Although Scizor can sponge Shadow Balls and OHKO with Pursuit.

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Gyarados : Latias switches in immediately.


  • DDGyara : Latias
  • Bulky DDGyara : Latias.
  • Resttalk : Latias for a third time.
  • Sub Bounce : Tricky. Sub lets it take a Thunderbolt and DD but then I'm still faster and I can OHKO. But if that fails because they tried Bouncing first and I get paralyzed, Scizor can finish it off with Quick Attack.

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Heatran : Suicune since they usually don't try HP Grassing from the get-go.


  • Scarf : Suicune scares it away and begins setting up.
  • Lead : Gliscor outspeeds and 2HKO's with EQ.
  • Torment Tran : Haven't faced one tbh. Latias in theory could OHKO with surf before it could touch me with Torment.

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Heracross : Gliscor is its best counter period. But no Stone Edge hurts.


  • Scarfed : Gliscor.
  • Banded : Gliscor.
  • SD : Gliscor.
  • Flame Orb : Gliscor.

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Infernape : Latias.


  • Mixape : Mixape gets destroyed by my Latias.
  • LeadApe : 2HKO by EQ.
  • Swords Dance : Haven't seen one but in theory my latias could sponge a Fire Punch and OHKO.

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Jirachi : Gliscor can survive all it's attacks and can Taunt/EQ it.


  • Sub CM: Taunt, EQ, rinse and repeat. Need to watch out for Flash Cannon though.
  • Lead/Choice Scarf : Can survive an Ice Punch and ruin it EQ it to death.
  • Support : Taunt and EQ.

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Jolteon : Tyranitar handles it effectively.


  • Specs : Can switch in safely on everything but HP Grass with I can take once or twice.
  • Baton Pass : Its a pain but I can break it's Subs with EQ so it's effectively passing nothing.

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Kingdra : Scizor can effectively check it.


  • DD King : Quick Attack on Kingdra can take it by surprise.
  • DD (Rain) : Pain in the ass but after it Outrages, Scizor can kill it.
  • Mixed (Rain) : Scizor.

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Latias : Tyranitar beats all variants easily, well except for Specs.


  • Defensive CM : Dies to Pursuit.
  • Offensive CM : Dies to Pursuit.
  • Specs : Surf hits hard but if I switch in on a Draco Meteor its as good as dead/

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Lucario : Gliscor is the perfect Lucario counter


  • SD Lucario : Survives everything but Ice Punch (I outspeed it anyway) and OHKO's with EQ.
  • Specs : It either A) kills Gliscor with HP Ice and gives Suicune the opportunity to set up or B) gets killed by Gliscor's EQ if it decides to Aura Sphere.

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Machamp : God I hate this thing. Gliscor does well against it sort of.


  • Resttalk : Gliscor handles it effectively.
  • Bulk Up : Insanely hard to kill once it gets a Bulk Up but Gliscor can stop it from getting anymore.
  • Choice Band : Gliscor but these usually run Ice Punch.
  • Sub : If it has Ice Punch I'm as good as dead. But Suicune can at least survive a Dynamicpunch and KO weaken ones I guess.

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MMagnezone: Tyranitar.


  • Choice Scarf : Tyranitar switches in and EQ's.
  • Sub Rise : Tough but Gliscor can switch in, Taunt it, then give it to Tyranitar to finish off.

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Mamoswine : Scizor unless its coming in on Superpower/EQ/Stone Edge.


  • Bander : Scizor can switch in pretty reliably.
  • Lead : Gliscor can survive an Ice Shard and can Taunt/SR then let Scizor handle it.
  • MixMamo : Scizor again.

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Metagross : Since they rarely run Ice Punch, I can switch Gliscor in easily.


  • Lead : Taunt then EQ.
  • Bander : Meteor Mash hurts but I can probably handle it with Gliscor. Haven't faced one though.
  • AgiliGross : Gliscor comes in and EQ's. If that goes wrong though, Latias can pick off weakened ones.

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Porygon-Z : Scizor switches in pretty easily.


  • NP-Z : They usually spam Tri Attack so Scizor can come in and Bullet Punch it.
  • Scarfer : Scizor can come in again.
  • Specs : 3/4 of it's standard attacks are resisted easily by Scizor.

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Rotom-A : Tyranitar ruins most sets.


  • Scarfer : If it gets hurt by sandstorm on the switch in, tyranitar pursuits.
  • Defensive : If it doesn't get hurt by Sandstorm, I crunch expecting it to stay in and Will-o-wisp.
  • Resttalker : Same as above.

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Scizor : Gliscor handles U-turns well enough.


  • SD Scizor : A pain. Gliscor can Taunt it and then EQ the next turn. Lucario can also survive a Bullet Punch from a +2 Scizor can kill it with Close Combat.
  • Choice Band : Easier to stop. Just switch in Gliscor to sponge it's attacks.

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Smeargle : Gliscor usually faces off against it in a lead. If not then whatever is the least useful at the time takes the spore.


  • Lead : Leads are Taunted and then it will switch out as I SR.
  • Baton Pass : Switch in whatever isn't doing much and then break it with Scizor's Bullet punch or Taunt it with Gliscor.

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Starmie : Tyranitar can switch in on Surfs and OHKO with Pursuit. Hydro Pump hurts a lot though.


  • Rapid Spin : Gets destroyed by Tyranitar's pursuit. Latias can revenge kill it anyway.
  • Life Orb : Requires a little bit of pivoting so I can switch in Tyranitar on a Thunderbolt or something.
  • Choiced : Screams Pursuit bait.

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Togekiss : Gliscor stops Thunder waves and taunts it then I can switch to something like Scizor or Latias to finish it off.


  • Para-Hax : ^^^^^

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Tyranitar : Gliscor is my initial switch.


  • Choice Band : Aqua Tail is deadly but normally they run EQ so Gliscor can switch in safe.
  • DDTar : Switch in Scizor, hit it with Bullet Punch, die, switch in Gliscor.
  • Boah : Nothing on my team can handle it except Scizor which gets hit with a possible Flamethrower.

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Weavile : Scizor takes everything it can throw at it.


  • SD Vile : Dies to Bullet Punch.
  • CB Vile : ^^^^^^^^^^^^


Defensive Threat List:

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Blissey : Latias can lure it in and Trick it while Tyranitar can Pursuit them.


  • Wish Bliss : Gliscor can come in on Flamethrower, Taunt it and then proceed to do whatever else needs to be done.
  • Cleric : Tyranitar and Scizor can crush it with Pursuit and U-turn.
  • Charm Bliss : Unstoppable. Thank God no one uses these.

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Bronzong : Gliscor prevents it from doing anything and makes it perfect setup fodder for Suicune.


  • Lead/Standard : Taunt then switch to Suicune.
  • Dual Screen : Taunt then switch to Suicune.
  • Rest Talk : Taunt again then switch to Suicune.

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Celebi : Tyanitar of course!


  • Subseed : Switch back to Gliscor immediately to stop it from Subseeding again.
  • Defensive : Tyranitar pursuits it to death.
  • CM : Pursuit it or Crunch.

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Cresselia : Tyranitar handles it well.


  • CM : Tyranitar.
  • Defensive : Reflect is an annoying move as it stops Scizor and Tyranitar from stopping it cold but I can chip off it's HP while Tyranitar's Sandstorm cuts it's recovery.
  • Dual Screen : Reflect makes it a pain but I can chip off it's HP with Crunch.

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Forretress : Gliscor.


  • Rapid Spinner : Gliscor can taunt it and then give it to Suicune.

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Gliscor : Suicune hates taking EQ's but it can Ice Beam it while it tries taunting me. Annoying as hell though.


  • Stall Breaker : Suicune lures in a taunt only for Gliscor to be OHKO'd by Ice Beam.
  • Defensive : Suicune can hit it with Ice Beam again but it risks EQ this time.
  • SD Tank : Good thing I've never faced one cause it looks deadly.

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Hippowdon : Gliscor usually faces it as a lead which not only gives me a nice evasion boost but I can Taunt it and get it out of the way.


  • Standard Wall : See above.
  • Curse : Gliscor can Taunt it and to Suicune to Surf it to death.

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Skarmory : Gliscor can taunt it and force it to Brave Bird with lets me chip away it's health a little.


  • Standard : Taunt, SR, Roost when needed.
  • Taunt : I taunt his taunt.

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Snorlax : Best chance I have is Tricking a scarf onto it, which is pretty bad.


  • CurseLax : Trick a scarf on it.
  • CB Lax : Uhhhhh, if I trick it, I get a band and I get pursuited. But at least it doesn't hit nearly as hard.

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Suicune
: Trick Scarf it.


  • Crocune : Scarf.
  • Offensive CM : Scarf.
  • CM Shuffle : And more Scarfs.

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Swampert : ........I got nothing.


  • Mixpert : Best I can do is U-turn with Scizor.
  • CursePert : Trick Scarf?

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Tentacruel : Tyranitar can EQ or Pursuit it. Both work well.


  • Rapid Spinner : Tyranitar can switch in and sponge Surfs, then EQ it or Pursuit it.

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Vaporeon : Hard to take down but it usually doesn't do much against me anyway. Latias can switch in on HP Electric and Suicune can set up on Ice Beam.


  • Wisher : Depends on whether its running HP Electic or Ice Beam. Suicune can set up on Ice Beam and Latias can thunderbolt HP electric sets.

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Zapdos : Tyranitar stops all non SubToxic sets.


  • Physically Defensive : Barely scratches Tyranitar.
  • Specially Defensive : Can't beat T-tar and it gets destroyed by Stone Edge.
  • Offensive : Stone Edge again.

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possibly letting it set up screens if its one of those copied and pasted Dual Screen Azelf and DD Gyara, Mence, Tar, Agiligross and Lucario teams.

I lol'd at this. This seems like a very solid team, I do have some comments though. Latias is fine and all, effectively checking Gyarados and Salamence, but it's just Scizor bait. A celebi would go better in this slot, countering Gyarados, luring in Tyranitar to let Lucario set up, and luring in Scizor. Here's the set:

Celebi @ Life Orb
Modest Nature
216 HP/ 252 spa/ 40 spd
-Leaf Storm
-HP Fire
-Recover
-Thunder Wave

Standard Tinker Bell, works very well with the team, and overall solidifying it. Good luck with your team!
 
Pursuit >> Quick attack on Scizor. Other than tht it is pretty much as sprinkles said, a very solid team! However i'd go with this lead:

Metagross @ Leftovers or something
EV: 252 HP 252 Atk
Adamant nature
Bullet punch
Stealth rock
Explosion
Earthquake
 
possibly letting it set up screens if its one of those copied and pasted Dual Screen Azelf and DD Gyara, Mence, Tar, Agiligross and Lucario teams.

I lol'd at this. This seems like a very solid team, I do have some comments though. Latias is fine and all, effectively checking Gyarados and Salamence, but it's just Scizor bait. A celebi would go better in this slot, countering Gyarados, luring in Tyranitar to let Lucario set up, and luring in Scizor. Here's the set:

Celebi @ Life Orb
Modest Nature
216 HP/ 252 spa/ 40 spd
-Leaf Storm
-HP Fire
-Recover
-Thunder Wave

Standard Tinker Bell, works very well with the team, and overall solidifying it. Good luck with your team!

Haha thanks.

And know that I think about it, I don't know how I overlooked Celebi when making this team. Its not only a hell of a lot bulkier but it also effectively counters Swampert.

I'll definitely switch to Celebi next time I can go on Shoddy.

Pursuit >> Quick attack on Scizor. Other than tht it is pretty much as sprinkles said, a very solid team! However i'd go with this lead:

Metagross @ Leftovers or something
EV: 252 HP 252 Atk
Adamant nature
Bullet punch
Stealth rock
Explosion
Earthquake

Quick Attack helps a lot more than Pursuit in this case since it effectively checks threats that I can't normal handle like Rain DD Kingdra which outspeeds Latias then can OHKO everything on my team once Tyranitar is out of the way. Pursuit is also unnecessary since one of my Pokemon already has it and can use it just as efficiently. It also lets my handle Mixape easier if I opt for Celebi.

And what do I really gain by using Lead Gross? It just seems kinda random....
 
Does Scizor have Iron Plate or Choice Band? I'm assuming Choice Band based on the description. I think using 3 Choice users could be problematic since it gives many set up opportunities for your opponent.

You could use the "bait" Tyranitar from the analysis, with Stone Edge over Superpower. I think it gains the same KOs against super effective targets, which it hits against all of Lucario's common counters you listed. It has the added bonus of being able to switch between attacks. Flamethrower takes out Lucario and Scizor that love to switch into Tyranitar. This prevents Tyranitar from being total set up bait, especially since you depend on it to take out lead Azelf.

I would also just max out speed on Latias so that you can tie with other Scarf Latias and Gengar in a tight situation. As far as I know, those extra HP EVs don't save you from any KOs.


Other than that, your team looks solid. Nice presentation as well. The only problem I noticed was the 3 Choice users.
 
Hello

I think this was an extremely well written RMT, congrats on that ^^
Especialy liked the threatlist (I might copy it). I'll try to rate your team and add some suggestions where needed.

The only problem I noticed was the 3 Choice users.

Yes I realized that too. That's why I suggest a different type of Tyranitar. You will loose the choice band and it's nasty effect, while you don't loose in your goal of stopping the threats for Lucario.

Last week NeloAngelo222 where talking about the team that Mariland uses and although it's nothing unique many people still thinks it's cool. So we looked every pokemon and we even build his team. It wasn't very hard until we got to Tyranitar. That beast killed all my 6 members. So was thinking that you could use that exact same Tyranitar, because like I said before you'll loose your Band 'and it's effects but you won't loose you capability of stopping Lucario's counters. I'm talking about Rock Polish Tar

Tyranitar @ Life Orb - Leftovers/ adamant/ sand stream
252 HP, 252 Atk, 6 Spe

- Rock Polish
- Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Earthquake

--> After one Rock Polish you will be able to out speed most scarf-less pokemon. Although the CB set could take out Celebi with Pursuit, this set is able to take out their Tyranitar counter (baring Scarfgar who could OHKO you with Focus Blast). To give an example, this is what you said are Lucario’s biggest problems:

- Gyarados and Salamence: Both are out sped after Rock Polish and Stone Edge is a OHKO after SR damage.

- Cresselia: Keep Crunching it and it while not stand a chance (watch out for Thunder Wave though).

- Gliscor: After Rock Polish you’ll out speed it so you can use Stone Edge before it Roosts of the damage. It don’t enjoy a defense lowering from Crunch either.

- Zapdos: After a Rock Polish boost you will outspeed and Stone Edge is a OHKO after SR damage.

- Rotom: After Rock Polish all forms but the scarfed one are out sped. Crunch hurts.

- Celebi: Same as with Rotom.

You see that although you’ll loose a little bit of power, Tyranitar will still be able to fulfill his mission. But it will also be able to take on his most common counters.

If you really need Pursuit I suggest it on Scizor, over Quick Attack.

About Scizor: You could change it’s moveset to a Sword Dancer so you could keep Iron Plate. This could be used if you decide to keep CB-tar. I suggest the bulky Sword Dance set.

Scizor @ Iron Plate/ adamant/ technician
200 HP, 252 Atk, 56 Spe

- Sword Dance
- Bullet Punch
- Roost
- Superpower/ Brick Break

à While your enemies might think you’re using a choice bander, they will look surprised when you Sword Dance on their switch to a counter. After 2 SD’s Scizor has more power then the CB’er while still having the ability to change moves. Roost is for recovery when your health is low. The option for Superpower or Brick Break is your choice. Superpower comes more in handy when you don’t have gotten a SD in while Break Break is better when you do have an SD in.

Not much to say about the rest of the team.
Like I said before it is well written and I enjoyed reading it, well done.

I hope my suggestions helped!
 
Does Scizor have Iron Plate or Choice Band? I'm assuming Choice Band based on the description. I think using 3 Choice users could be problematic since it gives many set up opportunities for your opponent.

You could use the "bait" Tyranitar from the analysis, with Stone Edge over Superpower. I think it gains the same KOs against super effective targets, which it hits against all of Lucario's common counters you listed. It has the added bonus of being able to switch between attacks. Flamethrower takes out Lucario and Scizor that love to switch into Tyranitar. This prevents Tyranitar from being total set up bait, especially since you depend on it to take out lead Azelf.

I would also just max out speed on Latias so that you can tie with other Scarf Latias and Gengar in a tight situation. As far as I know, those extra HP EVs don't save you from any KOs.


Other than that, your team looks solid. Nice presentation as well. The only problem I noticed was the 3 Choice users.

Bait Tyranitar could work, but if I opt for Life Orb Celebi it won't really be that problematic. Bait T-Tar does look pretty fun to play around with though, I'll keep that in mind. And yeah it has a Choice Band. I used to run an Iron Plate Roost set before but I really hated the fact that I wasn't hitting hard at all. So I changed it but forgot to change the item on the RMT.

Hello

I think this was an extremely well written RMT, congrats on that ^^
Especialy liked the threatlist (I might copy it). I'll try to rate your team and add some suggestions where needed.



Yes I realized that too. That's why I suggest a different type of Tyranitar. You will loose the choice band and it's nasty effect, while you don't loose in your goal of stopping the threats for Lucario.

Last week NeloAngelo222 where talking about the team that Mariland uses and although it's nothing unique many people still thinks it's cool. So we looked every pokemon and we even build his team. It wasn't very hard until we got to Tyranitar. That beast killed all my 6 members. So was thinking that you could use that exact same Tyranitar, because like I said before you'll loose your Band 'and it's effects but you won't loose you capability of stopping Lucario's counters. I'm talking about Rock Polish Tar

Tyranitar @ Life Orb - Leftovers/ adamant/ sand stream
252 HP, 252 Atk, 6 Spe

- Rock Polish
- Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Earthquake

--> After one Rock Polish you will be able to out speed most scarf-less pokemon. Although the CB set could take out Celebi with Pursuit, this set is able to take out their Tyranitar counter (baring Scarfgar who could OHKO you with Focus Blast). To give an example, this is what you said are Lucario’s biggest problems:

- Gyarados and Salamence: Both are out sped after Rock Polish and Stone Edge is a OHKO after SR damage.

- Cresselia: Keep Crunching it and it while not stand a chance (watch out for Thunder Wave though).

- Gliscor: After Rock Polish you’ll out speed it so you can use Stone Edge before it Roosts of the damage. It don’t enjoy a defense lowering from Crunch either.

- Zapdos: After a Rock Polish boost you will outspeed and Stone Edge is a OHKO after SR damage.

- Rotom: After Rock Polish all forms but the scarfed one are out sped. Crunch hurts.

- Celebi: Same as with Rotom.

You see that although you’ll loose a little bit of power, Tyranitar will still be able to fulfill his mission. But it will also be able to take on his most common counters.

If you really need Pursuit I suggest it on Scizor, over Quick Attack.

About Scizor: You could change it’s moveset to a Sword Dancer so you could keep Iron Plate. This could be used if you decide to keep CB-tar. I suggest the bulky Sword Dance set.

Scizor @ Iron Plate/ adamant/ technician
200 HP, 252 Atk, 56 Spe

- Sword Dance
- Bullet Punch
- Roost
- Superpower/ Brick Break

à While your enemies might think you’re using a choice bander, they will look surprised when you Sword Dance on their switch to a counter. After 2 SD’s Scizor has more power then the CB’er while still having the ability to change moves. Roost is for recovery when your health is low. The option for Superpower or Brick Break is your choice. Superpower comes more in handy when you don’t have gotten a SD in while Break Break is better when you do have an SD in.

Not much to say about the rest of the team.
Like I said before it is well written and I enjoyed reading it, well done.

I hope my suggestions helped!

Hmm. I've tried Rock Polish Tyranitar a few times before. I liked it but I always thought DD-Tar did a better job at sweeping. Pursuit is definetly missed if I choose either option cause although I can use Pursuit on Scizor I lose the ability to get rid of Rotom as soon as I can who without Pursuit messes with a majority of my team (Except Gliscor who can't really do anything to it.

And yeah its a CB Scizor. I need to fix that.
 
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