Team Dauto

Michurro

I guess you could call this Team Dauto 2.0? I revamped it after the comments so I think bumping it should be good. I'm ready for the comments on Rotom-H because it is VERY weird. So here goes!

Swampert.png
Swampert w/Leftovers -EQ, Ice Beam, Stealth Rock, Roar.
252HP, 252Def. 4 Sp. Atk
Relaxed

Yes, a standard Mixpert. This Sp. Atk allows for an almost 100% KO on Gliscors with extra Sp. Def., while still being able to survive a +1 Life Orb Adamant Salamence Outrage . I like EQ for the STAB. SR obviously for residual damage although depending on the situation, I may not use it at all. Roar is to rack up damage, although curse is still on the table. Sometimes I cannot setup SR at all, because now Taunt leads are popular, so I may just end up Ice beaming.

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Skarmory w/leftovers Spikes, BB, Whirlwind, Roost
252 HP, 252 Sp. Def 4 Def.
Impish

Skarmory is for Spikes, and just being a nuisance. It can switch in on most physical attacks, and extra Sp. Def bulk gives it extra leeway room. Roost for health, WW for SR+Spike damage and cancelling out +1 pokemon on the other side. If I can get him in, stalling should not be a problem once I setup some spikes.

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Rotom H w/Leftovers- Discharge, Reflect, Light Screen, HP Ground
252 HP, 120 Def 136 SP. Def.
Bold

Yep, another strange set. Originally it was a standard Rotom but after replacing Surf for HP Fire on my Latias, I needed a reliable Heatran counter. Reflect is the equivalent to Will-o-wisp w/o the risk of a Heatran switch and Light Screen allows me to survive a Heatran’s Fireblast. HP Ground allows me to 1-2-HKO Heatran after SR, 2-3HKO Tyranitar, and Discharge 2-3HKO’s Scizor. Reflect makes sure that neither can do much to harm me, especially if they predict a switch and use pursuit.

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Latias w/Life Orb – Grass Knot, Draco Meteor, HP Fire, Calm Mind
252 HP, 144Sp. Attack, 112 Speed
Calm

Ya, don’t ask about the weird Speed EV’s, just dumped em there, but they manage to tie with a Neutral Infernape with max speed Ev’s. However this set is durable enough to not be HKOed by a Scarfed Latias while still getting the KO with Draco Meteor. Grass Knot is for Swampert which could do damage. Manages to 2HKO suicune . Draco Meteor is also able to HKO so many neutral things after one CM.

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Umbreon w/Leftovers- Wish, Curse, Payback, Heal Bell
252 HP, 100 Sp. Def. 160 Atk.
Calm

Mainly for Rotom, and Latias who need some wish support when switching in. Heal Bell is just for kicks, although it is useful. Curse +payback is amazing. After 1-2 curses, it can HKO a Starmie, HKO most Latias, and just cause damage in order to stall. Plus, Taunt will not completely ruin him. Heal Bell helps for Roserade Leads that think they can disable one of my Pokemon, and just statuses in general, like a Durable blissey.

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Machamp w/Leftovers- Substitute, Dynamic Punch, Payback, Stone Edge/Ice Punch
248HP 252Atk 8Speed
Adamant

Finally, my physical attacker =). I’ve noticed he has gotten more popularity, but I have always liked him. It gets an element of slight surprise with Ice Punch instead of Stone Edge. Even with stone edge, I cannot HKO a Zapdos, and Gyrados has so many counters on the team…. Still, I’m open for opinions. As for Gyarados, both Latias and Rotom can HKO him. I'm thinking ice punch would be a bit more useful as it is not standard, and most counters of Machamp have an ice weakness such as Gliscor. Plus Salamence gets HKO’ed.
 
I'm not to sure about the curse/payback method your running on Umbreon. Maybe try running the support set.

Umbreon
Careful
Leftovers
252hp/92Sp.D/162Spe
Wish
Payback
Taunt/Protect(use protect if you plan on doing alot of selfhealing)
Toxic/Yawn/Will-o-wisp
Toxic will do good as you stall out your opponents. Yawn will cause switches and WoW will definately ruin your opponents physical sweepers such as scizor. You can still run heal bell if you find it necessary but personally I don't think it is as useful as the other moves listed
 
your sets for swampert and latias need recovery or they will die quick in this anti stall metagame.Zapdos although rare end this team fast if it has hp grass. opposing machamp with lum can harm this team. I would replace umbreon with a vaporeon or cune. too passive of a team other wise 2/10 and dmeteor and cm are anti productive. use dpulse.
 
Ok, thanks you guys, what do the speed EV's you suggest allow Umbreon to outrun? Also I put CM there to become sort of a backup special wall, but I guess I could change it to recover, Thunderbolt, Trick, HP Fire, uhh maybe even HP Fighting?
 
Hey Michurro I got your PM and I have to say I think this team is 10x better then your old team.

I won't bother to do a full rate because most of your pokemon are pretty good for the most part.

Swampert-You can use Hydro Pump over Curse but Roar is a better option.

I recommend Leftovers over Shed Shell because Magenzone isn't that common anymore. But if you still see alot go for Shed Shell.

I don't really think Latias needs a Calm nature but perhaps a Timid or even Modest natured. Also I recommend you to have Recover over Grass Knot or Surf so Latias won't die for residual damage and stuff. With Life Orb it will not be ability to dish out its max potential but if you coverage is needed go for CM with 3 attacks.

Also Umbreon can use 4 more EVs for any one of its stats. I recommend ethier Attack or Defence. Also remember each pokemon can only use 508 of the EV's possible. The extra 2 is useless as it is divisable by 4.

Machamp needs Stone Edge over Ice Punch so it can counter both Gyarados and Salamence.

Overall great team but I'll list some threats I see straight off the bat.
Crocune
Breloom
Anyway good luck with the team. I hope I helped!
 
Just a few nitpicks I would like to address,

On Swampert, I would go with a simple 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def spread because the S.Atk EV's are only really useful when you run Hydro Pump for the 2HKo on Skarmory(iirc) so having more physcial bulk would outwiegh the slight increase in Special Attack. It would help more with tanking hits from physical attackers like Tyranitar. If you are worried about Gliscor then you can keep the EV's if you want. However, versus a 252 HP Gliscor you only do 90.4% - 107.3% with Ice Beam and usually the threat of Ice Beam is enough to scare away Gliscor. A badly crippled Gliscor won't be much of a threat to your team anyways. For reference, with the new spread, Ice Beam does 85.9% - 101.7% to the same Gliscor which is still very threatening.

It seems you don't know what to run on Latias. I would suggest the standard Life Orb set:

Latias@ Life Orb
Timid
4 HP/252 S.Atk/ 252 Spe
-Draco Meteor
-Surf
-Recover
-Thunderbolt/Hidden Power [Fire]
The set's main objective is to hit hard and fast. Draco Meteor is a very powerful attack. Surf provides you with good coverage. Thunderbolt helps against Empoleon who resists you combination which HP [Fire] hits Scizor hard.

Like others have mentioned before, I think Umbreon needs to go as it slow down the tempo of your team too much. Try out the options already suggested by Curtains.

Hope this helps. Good Luck.
 
Thank you both, I'll switch up my move sets, Stone Edge did seem like a better option. And I'll try the Latias combo, which means I may have to switch up a couple more things.

EDIT: Ok, I switched up Ev's on my Swampert to make it slightly more defensive, I put Stone Edge on my Machamp and leftovers on Skarmory. Latias, however, is a problem. I did calculations and with Calm Mind, Grass Knot can 2HKO any Suicune and Draco MeteorHKO's Breloom w/o CM. I would love to have two Pokemon with T-bolt while still getting Cm coverage, so would it be good to put T-bolt over Grass Knot?

EDIT EDIT: Also, Vaporeon and suicune are good pokemon, but would they leave me with more of an electric/ grass hole? Electric attacks are absorbed by Swampert but Grass attacks don't allow much setup other than spikes bc of Skarmoy's resistance... Hmmm Ill try Vaporeon I guess. =P

EDIT EDIT EDIT: I looked at Vaporeon, but wouldn't it hurt my Breloom/ Suicune Weakness?
 
Hey Michurro, gotten a message about you wanting this team rated, so here I go.

A minor nitpick you definitly want to change the EVs on Swampert into 252 Hp / 252 Def / 4 SpAtt reason being is that you don't really need 54 EVs on Special attack the point is just to remove Gliscor easy with 1 hit. You have a chance to OHKO 88.9% - 101.7% it does to Gliscor it makes it useless since if he tries to roost or switch out you can either Ice beam it for the definite KO or if you see a switch coming just setup SR, Also the reason to switch it because you definitely need the extra bulk, for example to live a +2 SD from Lucario. Other thing on Swampert it's really useless to have curse because there's a really low chance that you're going to produce a sweep on a lead, So what I recommend is you changing it into Roar so you can help out Skarmory out with the spikes. On Rotom you don't need any EVs on speed to outspeed a regular choice banded Scizor, it outspeeds either way with 0 speed EVs. I recommend you change the Rotoms set a Restalker and you might want to check out a status absorber. Now the reason I'm not caring for either Tyranitar or Scizor if they try to pursuit is because it allows you to setup a free substitute on Machamp. Also, The resttalking set provides you still OHKOing Gyarados and it cripples Tyranitar with Will-O-Wisp which is still worth it afterwards even if they go for a dark move so you could just have a free setup with Machamp. Now here's the set you might want to try out:

Rotom-H @ Leftovers
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 SpD
Moveset: Thunderbolt, Will-O-Wisp, Rest, Sleep talk

Ok, Michurro but being special in all these wierd EVs and moveset investments don't really make you win, there's a reason it's added now for Latias you might want to change the Latias set reason being both of your Special attackers are weak to pursuiters which doesn't help because your whole team good get walled my Physical walls. Now I recommend you keep Latias if you really want to but just try the Substitute set to see if the other player will be trying to switch in something that can pursuit so you can just switch out with out really taking damage since you're behind a substitute, and if you're seeing they're going for a Dark move just either go to Skarmory to setup more spikes or Machamp. So here's the set.

Latias @ Leftovers
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Moveset: Substitute, Calm Mind, Dragon Pulse, Hidden Power [Fire]

Explanation for the set, Substitute was explained in the previous paragraph, Dragon pulse is currently strongest move you have to add on with Calm mind so you can try some kind of sweep. HP fire is for Steel types or most commonly for Scizor who tries to come in.

I don't really see a problem with Umbreon really, so you might just want to fix the EVs 252 HP / 200 Atk / 56 SpD The EVs are for Latias to never 2HKO it with Specs Draco meteor. On Machamp you definitely want Stone Edge over Ice punch to deal with Gyarados which could be a big problem on your team depending what Pokemon are out.

Ok, good luck with your team in the future and hoped my analysis helped.
 
Hello,

Got your PM, so i'll try my best to help.
Your team already looks quite good so far. However I can think of some things you could improve in order to be more successful. Something I noticed after analyzing your team is a pretty bad SD Lucario weakness. After only one SD it will easily beat everything on your team with Stealth Rocks in play. The second thing I'd like to mention is that I don't like your Latias set at all. I think there are way better sets for such a versatile pokemon that will fit into your team nicely. Aside from that I think some small nitpicks will suffice.

I'll start with the good things. Swampert and Skarmory don't need any changes at all as they already carry the best sets possible for your team. They reliably set up entry hazards and will cause tons of residual damage with Roar and Whirlwind respectively.

Something you should change is your Rotom set. Nothing in your team is able to stop SD Lucario and changing Rotom to a faster variant seems to be the easiest way to remedy that. I'm not really fond of those Dual Screens on Rotom anyway and I'm confident that the following set will work much better.
Rotom-H@Leftovers
Timid-188Spe, 252HP, 68Def
-Thunderbolt
-Will-O-Wisp
-Substitute
-Overheat
Substitute will let you scout for the switch in, so you won't have many problems Burning Tyranitar switchins. Overheat over Shadow Ball because your team lacks a reliable Fire move to deal with Forretress and Scizor. Shadow Ball won't be neccessary as Umbreon already has stab Payback to deal with Psychics and Ghosts.

As stated above, you should also change your Latias set as I feel there is a much better set for your team. Also Calm Mind in conjunction with Draco Meteor and no Roost is not really appreciated. I would use the usual bulky CM set, which will still provide you with a reliable special sponge but which will also be able to sweep late game. Also it has Surf to effectively check Infernape and Heatran.
Latias@Leftovers
Timid-128HP, 252Spe, 128SpAtk
-Dragon Pulse
-Surf
-Calm Mind
-Recover

Umbreon looks good, although you should consider Protect over Heal Bell. Heal Bell is only viable if your team has major trouble with Status, which I don't believe. Protect will complement Wish very nicely for reliable instant recovery and the possibility to scout choiced moves.

Your Machamp set also looks fine, but the choice between Ice Punch and Stone Edge is hard. As Gliscor is already checked quite nicely by Latias and swampert (although Toxic variants can be annoying), I woul suggest Stone Edge due to better coverage and higher base Damage. It is also viable to use a RestTalk set with Rest, STalk, DynamicPunch and Payback/Stone Edge on your Machamp in order to absorb status in case you should drop Heal Bell on Umbreon. This will also allow you to switch into Toxic Spikes and stay alive through Rest. You should test out what works best for you.

Hope my suggestions helped. Good Luck !
 
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