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[Xeorr]

Intro​

Hey guys, my last team wasn't faring so well, and i got absolutely no rates, so im back bringing you my newest team. The point of the team is to wear down the opposing team using moves like T-wave and toxic and set up a sweep (hopefully) with legacy raiders scizor. (yes its officially his in my book lol)

Team at a Glance:
Swampy the Swampert, LochNessy the Gyarados, FlameFag the Heatran, LatiBitch the Latias, Toasty Warm the Rotom-H, And Scissors the Scizor

Teambuilding Process

*skip this part if you get bored easily*

So i was looking through some old teams, and i noticed an omnipresence of Scizor, but the thing they had in common more than Scizor was fail. So i looked through some rmts and found a neat, more bulky Scizor that still swept. This caught my attention, so i did some research and calcs and found it did extremely well. I decided i had to build a team with it! Obviously, my first Pokemon was legacy raiders scizor...

I started off by finding a semi offensive mon that would help me to counter other Scizors, because they can revenge kill me if i have been weakened, and i came across Rotom (h). This was a blessing because not other scizors couln't touch me, and i now had a wallish mon.

Then i came to a realization: What if my opponent decides to show off his Salamence? Then it hit me, an all in one counter, and no its not Pory2- it's Celebi, it works very well to stop my enemys sweeps.

The rest was easy, I used Heatran to complete the CeleTran defensive combo, and with Rotom there, practically nothing could touch my defensive core!

Finally, all my teams need a bulky water, and Gyarados just stuck out at me as being "The One".

Now, the lead... I needed something sturdy so metagross was obviously my first choice, but when ShucaTran leads got back in popularity, i gave up on it even though Occa saved me. Yes, i hate seeing the 'It's super effective' sign come up, even if it was followed by The Occa Berry lowered Fire Blasts power! So i found Swampert! It serves as a great anti lead, as i stop Heatrans cold, and can take explosions fairly well. I also managed to get up SR in all my matches so i think its great.


So heres a closer look at my team, with all changes in bold.

Swampert @ Leftovers (Nickname: Swampy)
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP/216 Def/52 SAtk
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)

EV's and Nature:
Standard, straight from the analysis, they let me survive unboosted Outrage from Salamence in lategame and strike back with an OHKO w/ Ice Beam. Azelf with 4 Att EVs barely 2HKO's, so i beat that too.

Moveset:
~Earthquake- For STAB and to deal with Heatrans, Metagroses. My only reliable attack for other Swamperts.
~Ice Beam- Coverage against dragon types is always welcome, and this does it best.
~Stealth Rock- All offensive teams need rocks, so I decided my team had to have this.
~Surf- Gives a great primary STAB attack.

Nickname:
I choose Swampy because i called all my Swamperts in R/S/E that, and it just fits.

Gyarados @ Leftovers (Nickname: LochNessy)
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 156 HP/108 Atk/100 Def/144 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)

EVs and Nature:
Standard EVs from the analysis, it allows me to take hits from the likes of Scizor, and Lucario, among others with ease. This is the bulky set and i'm satisfied with it.

Moveset:
~Dragon Dance- Dance up, and start sweeping, it will give me a nice boost and get me started.
~Taunt- Screws up other stat uppers like Scizors and kills it with a +1 boosted waterfall.
~Waterfall- Reliable stab and the flinch rate is great to help me continue my sweep.
~Stone Edge- Helps against those damn dragons, and other Gyarados'.

Nickname:
Loch Nessy because it looks like a sea monster thats always going 'GRAHHH!!!'.

Heatran @ Choice Scarf (Nickname: FlameFag)
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)

EVs and Nature:
Max speed And SpA to max out my destructive capabilities.

Moveset:
~Earth Power- My only attack against other Heatrans, for general coverage.
~Fire Blast- For STAB and raw power.
~Hp ICE 70- Lets me kill dragons like salamence before they can start a sweep.
~Explosion- Lets me kill those damn blissey always switching in.

Nickname:
FlameFag because well, before it had a reason, now it just works lol.[/I]

Latias@Leftovers (Nickname LatiBitch) Used to be Celebi
252 HP / 116 Def / 112 SpD / 28 Spe
Calm

EVs And Nature:
Bulkier than all the other sets because this pokemon needs to stick around for a while to deal with some massive threats.

Moveset:
~Thunder Wave- Parylyses major threats similarly to how Celebi used to do, provides invaluable support for my team.
~Surf- Most replaceable moveslot because i really don't need a SE hit to deal with infernapes. Will prolly replace with roar as stat uppers fuck my team up.
~ Dragon Pulse- Standard reliable STAB not much to say here.
~Recover - Gives me good hp boosts and helps me to stall effectively.

Nickname:
Lol this one was random just thought of it while i was eating xD.

Rotom-h @ Leftovers (Nickname: Toasty Warm)
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/84 Def/88 Spd/84 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)

EVs and Nature:
Lets it survive Scizors Bullet Punches, while still having special bulk.

Moveset:
~Thunderbolt- Standard STAB on all electric types.
~Shadow Ball- Secondary STAB for coverage.
~Overheat- This is why its such a great Scizor counter!
~Will-o-wisp- Cripples TTar before it can start its sweep on my team.

Nickname: Its a toaster, what do you expect?

Scizor @ Leftovers (Nickname: Scissors)
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 HP/76 Atk/4 Spd/176 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
EVs and Nature:
This entire set was designed by Legacy Raider, and what a set it is! It has great special bulk to be able to take those his coming from Gengar and Co. Adamant nature gives great power to its attacks.

Ability:
I'm sure everyone knows how great an ability this is, but with Scizor its wreaks havok. It even gets its own section because its so awesome!

Moveset:
~Bullet Punch- Stab and boosted by Technician makes Scizor a force to be reckoned with.
~Superpower- The only variation on Legacy's set, gives me more power, at the cost of -1 attack. Too bad i'm usually at +4 so its not a big deal.
~Roost &Swords Dance- These go together like bread and butter, like ham and cheese, like a 14-year old boy and shaving cuts! Yeah i went a bit overboard, but srsy just keep going from Roost to SD and i'm at +6 in no time, and ready to sweep. With the support I get from Celebi its amazing watching teams get 6-0ed and 5-0ed by this guy.

Nickname:
Hes a giant set of Scissors, a pair that punches 0.o. Since when? So i just went ahead with scissors.


Final Look:

-H

Final Thoughts:
Jeez, a team of 6 leftovers, I really need help with that. Ideas are welcome on who would make a good Choice user or life orber, while still retaining past ideas of the particular Pokemon. Please note Scizor has to stay the way it is.

Possible Additions:


Retired Member(s):

Celebi @ Leftovers (Nickname: Tinker Bell)
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/220 Def/36 Spd
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)

EVs and Nature:
Lets me survive almost all of Gyarados' attacks, barring bounce, which is rare, and anyways when they go in the air I switch to Rotom anyways.

Moveset:
~Grass Knot- STAB to let me actually damage stuff.
~Thunder Wave- To cripple sweepers that stand in the way of Scizors sweep.
~Leech Seed- Gives my entire team an added survivability rate, and lets me with against Blissey.
~Recover- Self explanatory.

Nickname:
Tinker Bell because I keep seeing the commercial for that when my brother is watching the children's channel, and it just fits.

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[Xeorr]

Threat List

Offensive Threats

Tyranitar- Really screws me up, best i can do is taunt and hope it doesn't ohko Gyara before i can hit back.

Gyarados- Celebi can deal with it well.
Infernape- Gyarados takes care of it.
Azelf- Explosion hardly does 50% to Swampert, but some carry grass knot.
Electivire- Why is this one here anyways? Heatran.
Heracross- Celebi paralasis does the trick.
Salamence- Celebi uses twave and Swampert finishes.
Togekiss- Rotom
Gengar- Scizor
Lucario- A little tough, but it can't to squat to Celebi, or Gyarados.
Starmie-Celebi
Weavile- Toughie if he switches in to Rotom, ill usually get pursited so i stay in to W-O-W.
Dugtrio- Same as weavile, but this bastard can trap.
PorygonZ- Scizor
Machamp- Celebi
Snorlax- Rotom
Zapdos- Rotom again
Suicune- Rotom
Breloom- Celebi can outstall as he tries in vain to subpunch, also rotom can kick his ass
Ninjask- Lol these just baton pass out.
Metagross- Heatran, swampert
Heatran- Scarfed attacks are easy to deal with, usually they come in on Scizor so i switch to Heatran to take the FB.
Jirachi- The hax versions are ghey, but i can usually get him with Celebi
Dragonite- Scizor for non Fire Blast versions.
Mamoswine- Scizor
Yanmega- Heatran for scarfers, rotom works too.
Kingdra- Rotom, Celebi
Scizor- Rotom
Jolteon- Rotom

Defensive Threat List

Blissey - Scizor
Bronzong - Celebi parylsys
Celebi- Heatran
Cradily - Celebi
Cresselia - Rotom
Crobat- Rotom
Donphan -Celebi
Drapion - Heatran
Dusknoir - Rotom
Empoleon - Rotom
Forretress - Rotom
Gliscor - Swampert
Gyarados - Celebi
Hariyama - Rotom
Heatran- Heatran is on here?
Hippowdon - Celebi
Jirachi- Damn those haxers
Latias - Celebi parylsis
Ludicolo - Rotom
Machamp - Gyarados
Magnezone - Rotom
Mesprit - Rotom
Metagross - Rotom
Milotic- Celebi
Miltank - Scizor
Porygon2 - Scizor
Regirock - Scizor
Registeel -Scizor again
Rotom-A - My own rotom
Shuckle - Scizor
Skarmory - Rotom
Slaking - Scizor
Slowbro -Rotom
Snorlax - Gyarados
Starmie - Rotom
Suicune -Rotom
Swampert - Celebi forces it out
Tentacruel - Heatran
Togekiss - Rotom
Tyranitar - Scizor
Umbreon - Rotom
Vaporeon - Rotom jeez rotom stops everything
Walrein - scizor has 48 pp on BP, and roost, FUCK YOU STALLRIEN
Weezing- Rotom, heatran
Zapdos- Celebi

 

[wildfire393]

You seem very NP Mixape weak. After a 'Plot, Fire Blast takes out Celebi, Rotom, and Scizor easily, Close Combat rips Heatran in half, and Grass Knot takes out Swampert easily and Gyarados if Stealth Rock is down. Nothing you have can outspeed him, and your only Priority user is resisted and lacks the brute force of 252 Attack + Life Orb Scizor, which could possibly take down Nape if he had lost a decent bit to LO, Entry Hazards, and Sandstorm. To fix this, I might recommend trying to fit one of Infernape's standard counters on this team: Latias, Gengar, Vaporeon, Tentacruel, or Cresselia does the trick nicely.

 

[Xeorr]

yes, but your forgetting i wont keep the first three pokes you mentioned in against FB, which is why my offensive core works so well, It would go like this
if i have rotom in,
1- Nape NPs while i wow him
2- he tries to fire blast, i switch to heatran
3- he ccs, i go to either rotom or celebi even gyarados works
the cycle continues til he gives up and switches. This is why my team works so well.

 

[Objection]

yes, but your forgetting i wont keep the first three pokes you mentioned in against FB, which is why my offensive core works so well, It would go like this
if i have rotom in,
1- Nape NPs while i wow him
2- he tries to fire blast, i switch to heatran
3- he ccs, i go to either rotom or celebi even gyarados works
the cycle continues til he gives up and switches. This is why my team works so well.

Except he might not give up and switch, and he certainly won't run out of PP before killing all your pokemon. I'd go so far as to suggest giving Heatran a Chople Berry so that it can survive CC and OHKO with Earth Power.

Really however, what you need is something that resists all of Fire Blast, Close Combat and Grass Knot, or has insane defences and is not weak to any of those. Latias would work really well as she possesses both qualities, but it's hard to say what should be replaced.

 

[wildfire393]

yes, but your forgetting i wont keep the first three pokes you mentioned in against FB, which is why my offensive core works so well, It would go like this
if i have rotom in,
1- Nape NPs while i wow him
2- he tries to fire blast, i switch to heatran
3- he ccs, i go to either rotom or celebi even gyarados works
the cycle continues til he gives up and switches. This is why my team works so well.

WOW doesn't do anything to Infernape, he's fire type. Also, if he's smart he can predict your switch, especially if you've already switched out once or twice. Also, if you switch in something that's Immune, he won't take LO damage, so unless Rocks are down, it won't really do anything except deal you entry hazard damage.

 

[reyscarface]

As everyone is saying, you have a tremendous NP Mixape weakness. And as YOU said, you need a different item. Maybe changing items of the Heatran to the Standard ScarfTran to counter it.

Also, you could change your Gyarados to a Salamence, since the set everyone uses for NP Mixape is GK/FB/NP/CC, Mence survives those, gets up a DD and can sweep a team. If you are willing to do the change, then i would say you change with Gyarados, since you already have a Scizor Counter.

 

[Sir_Lu]

wow. This looks very similar to an old team I built, but SleepTalk Gyra instead. So here's what I had:

Infernape really gave me troubles the moment Gyra went out; even then, Grass Knot swichins kinda hurt.

Dugtrio sucks.

Tentacruel walled my team; I can't fathom how your Heatran is a suitable counter, but I haven't exactly looked at the EVs so much as the moveset. I still hated crocune since Rotom really takes beatings from being in everywhere without a reliable recovery move.

Offshoot sweeper Azelf and Heracross have caused me some serious trouble in the past, but I never faced too many.

That's all I distinctly remember, but I made and used the team prior to the Latias testing, so things probably have changed.

 

[Xeorr]

so ill probably add in a latias, thanks, which set should i use? ill also add a section of possible additions

 

[wildfire393]

so ill probably add in a latias, thanks, which set should i use? ill also add a section of possible additions

I would suggest it over Celebi, as it has similar resistances (Water, Fighting, Ground, Psychic, Electric, Grass but with the added bonus of Fire and less weaknesses), and thus similarly works well with Heatran (who resists the Ice/Dragon/Bug/Dark/Ghost moves aimed at Latias). You can use the utility set to do much of what Celebi already does, including Thunder Wave and team healing via Wish. The fact that you resist all three of the standard NP Mixape's STABs, unless he runs HP Ice, lets you wall him already, but you could run Surf and more Speed on the set if you want to be sure.

 

[Xeorr]

thanks wildfire, i wouldnt have thought of the utility set without your help, htis really fits the team perfectly! So i think ill run :


Latias@Leftovers
252 HP / 116 Def / 112 SpD / 28 Spe
Calm
~ Thunder Wave / Roar
~ Reflect / Roar
~ Dragon Pulse
~ Recover / Wish
Possibly surf over one of the options to kill infernape which im going to counter with this

Edit: I know im keeping thunder wave and recover for sure.

 

[XxBlueCleric.xX]

Yeah, Latias will definitely help your Mixape weakness. But in all honesty, I felt that Rotom + Gyarados is probably enough to handle it anyways...

Keep in mind that if you do this switch to Latias, you have no safe switch in for Celebi T-Waves and it can get annoying.

I'll add more later as I think of stuff for this team.

 

[Shizzle]

NP mixape with +2 spa still 2HKOs IIRC mence, and with life orb damage =(.

Yea and ur method of switching doesnt work, because once they have seen ur heatran switch in, take damage from hazards and get hp back from leftovers, they know you arent scarfed, and they are likely to predict changes after you switch once or twice

 

[Xeorr]

k so ive officially switched to latias' utility set, over celebi. thanks to all your help my team has got a great boost. Im also less mixnape weak so thanks. and if you guys have any other comments please dont hesitate to tell

EDIT: ALSO CHANGED HEATRAN TO SCARFZOR!