Team Jenica, Round 2

Jenica

Hello Smogon peeps! It's Jenica here with a team that needs some major fixes. I've been trying to figure out a good balance, but I haven't been doing too well to be honest. =(
Well, without further ado, here's my team.

NOTE: This team is also meant for WiFi, so as much as I'd love to use him...I can't use Rotom-A. Please do not suggest him, but do suggest Pokemon that could possibly replace him if you really want a different Ghost-Type on this team. Thank you! :3

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Update 1:
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Now that you've seen my team, let me go through it with you.

Second Note: Changes are in Bold.

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@Focus Sash
Nature: Timid
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 SPA/252 SPE/4 HP
IVs: 30 ATK/30 DEF
Moveset:
Leaf Storm
Hidden Power Ground
Toxic Spikes
Sleep Powder

I normally lead with Machamp, but I wanted to try something new. I decided that a sleep lead would be something new and interesting. So, after looking through the sleep leads, I decided to go with Roserade. I've had mixed results with this little flower. She either does her job by sleeping a pokemon and setting up double Toxic Spikes, or she dies in a horrible fire...or earthquake...or blizzard...or whatever else you can think of. Hidden Power Ice was chosen over Fire because I already have Heatran and Infernape...but I never seem to have enough fire, regardless. Overall, I'm mixed about this lead and I'd be willing to replace her with just about any other sleep lead.

After testing her out with Hidden Power Ground, I feel that Roserade is actually a good sleep lead. HP Ground covers a lot of her counters, making them think twice before switching in.

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@Shuca Berry
Nature: Naive
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SPA/252 SPE/4 HP
IVs: 28 SPD
Moveset:
Fire Blast
Stealth Rock
Earth Power
Explosion

This is my stealth rocker. He rocks the competition! HAHAHAHAHAHA...
...
Okay, so I pulled a lame joke. Regardless, Heatran is meant to help Roserade against Steel-Types, other Grass-Types, and everything else that counters her. He also packs the ability to take an Earthquake, though I hate when I have to force him to take one...Earth Power is meant for other Heatran, who usually think that this Heatran is Scarfed, which is funny most of the time. Explosion is a nice finisher for pokemon like Blissey who like to come in and wall my poor Heatran.

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@Choice Scarf
Nature: Jolly
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 ATK/252 SPE/4 HP
Moveset:
Outrage
Earthquake
Thunderpunch
U-Turn

After a suggestion from Nosferalto, I decided to change my Infernape to a Choice Scarf Flygon. He counters Gyarados, taking him out with Thunderpunch and 2HKO bulky Variants. Outrage is his main STAB move, which hits opposing Dragon-Types right in the critical spot. Earthquake takes care of Metagross and Empoleon, who like to set up and sweep my poor team. Finally, U-Turn wraps the move set up, making Flygon a good scout. It also helps me cover Pokemon like Starmie, who seem to like to switch in on Flygon for some reason...Overall, Flygon is a fine choice for this team

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@Leftovers
Nature: Timid
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SPA/252 SPE/4 HP
Moveset:
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Focus Blast
Substitute

This is my Substitute Gengar. He Subs, then attempts to take out multiple targets with his wide coverage. Overall, he's a good pokemon. Shadow Ball is his main STAB move, taking out many low SPD targets and Rotom-A (which I don't have to worry about on WiFi). Thunderbolt is for Gyarados and other Bulky Waters who try to wall poor Gengar. Finally, Hidden Power Fire is for Steel-Types, mainly Scizor, who try to come in to kill Gengar with Bullet Punch or Iron Head (for Jirachi).

I've switched out Hidden Power Fire for Focus Blast and have had better results overall. Gengar can now hurt Blissey and can take out Tyranitar from behind a substitute.

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@Leftovers
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 156 HP/72 ATK/96 DEF/184 SPE
Moveset:
Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Earthquake
Taunt

Anyone who knows me knows that Bulky Gyarados is my favorite Pokemon. He's strong, bulky, and just an absolute monster late game. After using Bounce over Taunt for so long, I decided to switch to try Taunt since my friend uses it on his Gyarados. So far, I think I like it, but I may go back to Bounce (or replace Stone Edge with Bounce...not sure yet). Waterfall is Gyarados's main STAB move, taking out many Fire-Types and hitting Steel-Types hard...as well as everything else that doesn't resist it. Stone Edge is meant for Salamence and other Gyarados. Taunt is meant to stop Roar and Whirlwind Pokemon from sending Gyarados out while he sets up. Overall, I love Gyarados!

I switched Stone Edge for Earthquake because I was tired of dying to things like Jolteon and Vaporeon (that, and I was sick of Stone Edge missing all the time...).

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@Choice Band
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP/252 ATK/8 SPE
Moveset:
Bullet Punch
U-Turn
Pursuit
Superpower

This is my final Pokemon and my revenge killer. Choice Band Scizor hit everything like a truck. I don't know how much I can emphasize that. Bullet Punch quite literally punches holes into opposing Pokemon, making them cower in its presence. U-Turn is a great move, allowing Scizor to get the heck out of dodge when things go bad as well as scout out opposing Pokemon. Pursuit is meant for Psychics, Ghosts, and any weak Pokemon that tries to escape the wrath of the red beetle. Finally, Superpower is meant to surprise opposing Heatran that try to switch in on this red menace. Overall, Scizor is a threat.

That's my team. Please rate/comment/fix and I will try my best to return the favor.

Thank you!
-Jen
 
I would suggest mix ape over this physical variant. Gyarados usually doesn't swtich into any ape after rocks are up, seeing as grass knot puts him in ko range. Mixape will solve the small bulky cune problem, since you have a. Greater chance of koing suicune with grass knot over thunder punch. if you like priority, mach punch could be used over cc.

I never really liked gengar but seeing as how it is really the only wifi option I guess its fine.

Hold up, wait a minute, there's no rapid spinner in this team. Is that normal on wifi? Especially since you have gyarados

Hmmm is scizor really great? A choice band metagross can do the exact same things as scizor with more bulk. You can replace explosion for pursuit if you want. Another option is to lose the band on metagross and go for lifeorb/ expert belt, or even occa berry. Metagross is only another option; if you u-turn alot, ignore this suggestion

Sorry, this rate is pretty bad, I just can't hop over the no-rotom-wall-of-wifi
 
I don't have much time to rate this team, however I will point out some major threats.

First of all, Offensive DD Gyarados threatens your team; He can easely get a DD off on your Scizor and proceed to sweep your team - Ice Fang your Roserade, Waterfall/ Earthquake your Heatran (despite the shuca, I believe, it will still 0HKO at +1), Waterfall Scizor, Stone Edge your own Gyarados (who is your only answer to that type of Gyarados), Waterfall your Gengar and finally Waterfall your Infernape.

Needless to say that I was going to suggest you Rotom-H over Gengar, however your team is for Wi-Fi and you do not have access to it. I think switching your Heatran to a lead position and adding in a Celebi could help reduce that problem, although that would take off your Toxic Spikes and therefore reduce your chances of Gyarados/Infernape sweeping.
 
Thanks for the suggestions guys. I've tried Jolteon as a possible Gyarados counter, but Earthquake kills it. I'm considering CB Metagross over Scizor. It seems like an interesting idea.
I'd like to keep Toxic Spikes in if I could. Also, I really wish I could use Rotom-A on WiFi. That would solve so many problems lol.
Is there another possible counter to Gyarados besides Celebi or should I run both Celebi and Roserade?
 
Hmm, I would like to add that you have a Major Electric Weakness. A LO Raikou or Zapdos could deal ridiculously high amount of damage on your team... I would highly consider for that reason adding in a Swampert over Heatran instead of Jolteon like you mentioned. This does sound crazy, but Swampert will also help with dealing with Babiri DD T-Tars since they could, once your Infernape is out, sweep your team.

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I've tried Jolteon as a possible Gyarados counter, but Earthquake kills it. I'm considering CB Metagross over Scizor. It seems like an interesting idea.
I'd like to keep Toxic Spikes in if I could. Also, I really wish I could use Rotom-A on WiFi. That would solve so many problems lol.
Is there another possible counter to Gyarados besides Celebi or should I run both Celebi and Roserade?
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Another thing I would like to add to what I said previously. To deal with Offensive DD Gyarados, you could throw on a scarf and T-Bolt on your Gengar.

In conclusion, my suggestions are switch Heatran for Swampert, and put a Scarf on your Gengar.
 
Hello!

Well to start your team is Mence weak (then again a lot of teams are) anyways, I suggest that you use a specially based mixape to help counter Mence and Swampert as well, who can take your attacks with relative ease.

Good Luck!

*Edit: Jolteon makes a great Mence and Gyara counter especially if you run this set:

Jolteon @ Life Orb
EV's: 4Hp 252Spe 252Sp. Atk
Nature: Timid
Ability: Volt Absorb
Moves:

Magnet Rise
Thunderbolt
Shadow Ball
Hidden Power [Ice]

This set is a great counter to the likes of Mence and gyara and basically any other EQ abuser. Magnet rise covers Jolts ground weakness and the moves provided have great coverage. t-bolt for STAB hp ice for psuedo bolt beam and shadow ball for everything else. This set works great with SD Nape because SD Nape can eliminate special walls like snorlax and blissey and allow jolt to have a great time sweeping.
 
KidX said:
Hello!

Well to start your team is Mence weak (then again a lot of teams are) anyways, I suggest that you use a specially based mixape to help counter Mence and Swampert as well, who can take your attacks with relative ease.

Good Luck!

*Edit: Jolteon makes a great Mence and Gyara counter especially if you run this set:

Jolteon @ Life Orb
EV's: 4Hp 252Spe 252Sp. Atk
Nature: Timid
Ability: Volt Absorb
Moves:

Magnet Rise
Thunderbolt
Shadow Ball
Hidden Power [Ice]

This set is a great counter to the likes of Mence and gyara and basically any other EQ abuser. Magnet rise covers Jolts ground weakness and the moves provided have great coverage. t-bolt for STAB hp ice for psuedo bolt beam and shadow ball for everything else. This set works great with SD Nape because SD Nape can eliminate special walls like snorlax and blissey and allow jolt to have a great time sweeping.
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Jolteon does not make a good counter to DD Salamence ; if Salamence gets a DD up on the switch, this Jolteon does not ''counter'' it anymore.. The only way for it to work is if a Salamence switches on you which I doubt would happen. However, Jolteon does make a nice revenge killer to a non-DD Salamence. For Gyarados, it could only work with proper predictions, otherwise your kinda screwed; this is why Jolteon is not a ''counter'' to Gyarados nor Salamence for that matter. However it does nicely his job versus +1 DD Gyarados and non-DD Salamence. IMO I don't think Magnet Rise is that useful, I would prefer Baton Pass but meh, that's just my opinion.
 
@Haunter: Thank you. I knew there was an option somewhere but I couldn't find it... ^^;
@Flygon: I'll try Swampert out, but wouldn't Zapdos still cause it problems with HP Grass?
@KidX: I'll try Mixape, though if Salamence gets banned, I may try the Physical version of it. Also, I'd rather not use Jolteon if I can avoid it.
 
Jenica said:
@Haunter: Thank you. I knew there was an option somewhere but I couldn't find it... ^^;
@Flygon: I'll try Swampert out, but wouldn't Zapdos still cause it problems with HP Grass?
@KidX: I'll try Mixape, though if Salamence gets banned, I may try the Physical version of it. Also, I'd rather not use Jolteon if I can avoid it.
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HP grass is not very common; HP ice is the preferred option on the Agility sweeper set... But when I thought of electric weaknesses I mainly thought of Raikous and Rotom forms (which you do not encounter on Wi-Fi anyway).
 
This team could use some way to combat stall. You could make gengar a subsplitter or make ape a mixed sweeper. SDape has moveset problems, as you don't have close combat, yet need thunderpunch. Try a physically based ape here.

EDIT: since this is for wifi, you don't really have to worry about stall as much. But I would still change infernape to be a bit more effective.
 
Jenica said:
Hello Smogon peeps! It's Jenica here with a team that needs some major fixes. I've been trying to figure out a good balance, but I haven't been doing too well to be honest. =(
Well, without further ado, here's my team.

NOTE: This team is also meant for WiFi, so as much as I'd love to use him...I can't use Rotom-A. Please do not suggest him, but do suggest Pokemon that could possibly replace him if you really want a different Ghost-Type on this team. Thank you! :3

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Now that you've seen my team, let me go through it with you.

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@Focus Sash
Nature: Timid
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 SPA/252 SPE/4 HP
IVs: 30 ATK/30 DEF
Moveset:
Leaf Storm
Hidden Power Ground (For Lead Heatrans)
Toxic Spikes
Sleep Powder

I normally lead with Machamp, but I wanted to try something new. I decided that a sleep lead would be something new and interesting. So, after looking through the sleep leads, I decided to go with Roserade. I've had mixed results with this little flower. She either does her job by sleeping a pokemon and setting up double Toxic Spikes, or she dies in a horrible fire...or earthquake...or blizzard...or whatever else you can think of. Hidden Power Ice was chosen over Fire because I already have Heatran and Infernape...but I never seem to have enough fire, regardless. Overall, I'm mixed about this lead and I'd be willing to replace her with just about any other sleep lead.

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@Shuca Berry
Nature: Naive
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SPA/252 SPE/4 HP
IVs: 28 SPD
Moveset:
Fire Blast
Stealth Rock
Earth Power
Explosion

This is my stealth rocker. He rocks the competition! HAHAHAHAHAHA...
...
Okay, so I pulled a lame joke. Regardless, Heatran is meant to help Roserade against Steel-Types, other Grass-Types, and everything else that counters her. He also packs the ability to take an Earthquake, though I hate when I have to force him to take one...Earth Power is meant for other Heatran, who usually think that this Heatran is Scarfed, which is funny most of the time. Explosion is a nice finisher for pokemon like Blissey who like to come in and wall my poor Heatran.

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@Life Orb
Nature: Naive
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 64Atk/192SpAtk/252Spe
Moveset:
Close Combat
Grass Knot
Fire Blast
HP ICE

This is my sweeping Infernape. Now normally, I use Mixapes, but once again, I wanted to try something new. I've, once again, had mixed results. Fire Punch is great for taking out pokemon like Jirachi, whom I absolutely hate facing...
Thunderpunch is meant for Gyarados and other Flying-Types and actually works out pretty well. The final move, Mach Punch, gives Infernape the Scizor-Like effect, where it can set up and sweep with a priority move. Unfortunately, Infernape doesn't have Technician, so he doesn't get the extra attack power.

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@Leftovers
Nature: Timid
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SPA/252 SPE/4 HP
IVs: 30 ATK/30 SPE/30 SPA
Moveset:
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Hidden Power Fire
Substitute

This is my Substitute Gengar. He Subs, then attempts to take out multiple targets with his wide coverage. Overall, he's a good pokemon. Shadow Ball is his main STAB move, taking out many low SPD targets and Rotom-A (which I don't have to worry about on WiFi). Thunderbolt is for Gyarados and other Bulky Waters who try to wall poor Gengar. Finally, Hidden Power Fire is for Steel-Types, mainly Scizor, who try to come in to kill Gengar with Bullet Punch or Iron Head (for Jirachi).

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@Leftovers
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 156 HP/72 ATK/96 DEF/184 SPE
Moveset:
Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Stone Edge
Taunt

Anyone who knows me knows that Bulky Gyarados is my favorite Pokemon. He's strong, bulky, and just an absolute monster late game. After using Bounce over Taunt for so long, I decided to switch to try Taunt since my friend uses it on his Gyarados. So far, I think I like it, but I may go back to Bounce (or replace Stone Edge with Bounce...not sure yet). Waterfall is Gyarados's main STAB move, taking out many Fire-Types and hitting Steel-Types hard...as well as everything else that doesn't resist it. Stone Edge is meant for Salamence and other Gyarados. Taunt is meant to stop Roar and Whirlwind Pokemon from sending Gyarados out while he sets up. Overall, I love Gyarados!

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@Choice Band
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP/252 ATK/8 SPE
Moveset:
Bullet Punch
U-Turn
Pursuit
Superpower

This is my final Pokemon and my revenge killer. Choice Band Scizor hit everything like a truck. I don't know how much I can emphasize that. Bullet Punch quite literally punches holes into opposing Pokemon, making them cower in its presence. U-Turn is a great move, allowing Scizor to get the heck out of dodge when things go bad as well as scout out opposing Pokemon. Pursuit is meant for Psychics, Ghosts, and any weak Pokemon that tries to escape the wrath of the red beetle. Finally, Superpower is meant to surprise opposing Heatran that try to switch in on this red menace. Overall, Scizor is a threat.

That's my team. Please rate/comment/fix and I will try my best to return the favor.

Thank you!
-Jen
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Pretty good team, my changes are in bold.
 
The main problem here is the lack of a reliable Dragon Dance Gyarados check. Gyarados can take advantage of Scizor choice-locked into Bullet Punch or come in on Heatran and DD on the switch; after it a DD, it is able to take down your entire team. Agility Metagross (Agil-Gross) sets up in a similar manner and is able to sweep without much retaliation. Apart from these two physical threats, I can see your team struggling against a well played Jolteon. Your team lacks a reliable switch-in to it's STAB Thunderbolt and it has enough Speed to outpspace your whole team and OHKO/2HKO with the appropriate move. What your team lacks, is a decent revenge killer. The addition of a Choice Scarf Flygon instead of Infernape will remedy those weaknesses. Just use: Earthquake | Outrage | Thunder Punch | U-Turn with 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe and a Jolly Nature. Flygon with a Scarf outspeeds Gyarados after a DD and Metagross after an Agility as well as Jolteon and dispose of each one of them with the appropriate move. Additionally, Scizor pairs well with Flygon due to U-Turn on both movesets wich makes prediction much more easier and allows you to scout the opponent's team.

As for minor changes, consider Focus Blast on Gengar over HP Fire or Thunderbolt. With Focus Blast, you can decimate the Scarf Tyranitar switch-in when behind a Substitute. It also hits Heatran for Super Effective damage (Gyarados is not the best counter so it would be great if you manage to take it out early in the match) and 2HKOes Scizor as well, so I would at least give it a test and see how it goes.
 
@Nosferalto: Thank you for the idea! I would have never thought of CS Flygon. I'll test him out and get the results back asap. Also, I'll change around Gengar a bit.
@BlazeMurder: That HP Ground idea was perfect! It killed an incoming Jolteon, which he didn't expect! xD
 
Jenica said:
@Nosferalto: Thank you for the idea! I would have never thought of CS Flygon. I'll test him out and get the results back asap. Also, I'll change around Gengar a bit.
@BlazeMurder: That HP Ground idea was perfect! It killed an incoming Jolteon, which he didn't expect! xD
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Ha. No problem.
 
I'm still having problems with stuff like DDNite and Empoleon. Also, I'm having problems taking care of Machamp leads. Finally, I seem to have problems against Starmie. Is there any way I can take care of these problems?
 
Jenica said:
I'm still having problems with stuff like DDNite and Empoleon. Also, I'm having problems taking care of Machamp leads. Finally, I seem to have problems against Starmie. Is there any way I can take care of these problems?
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I have used Roserade lead before. You are going to have problems with Machamp leads, the only way to really deal with them is using Leaf storm before you lay down Toxic Spikes, but then you risk not being able to lay down Toxic Spikes. Is it Scarfed Starmies that you are having trouble with or no?
 
Scarfed Starmies are a problem. Also, I think I want to switch Roserade for something. Finally, I seem to have problems with Steel-Types walling me (mainly Skarmory).
 
Jenica said:
Scarfed Starmies are a problem. Also, I think I want to switch Roserade for something. Finally, I seem to have problems with Steel-Types walling me (mainly Skarmory).
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If you don't need Toxic Spike support, why don't you make Heatran your lead, replace Roserade for Magnezone or Flygon and see how that works out. Magnezone would be a great team player, for killing Steel Types. Flygon would help you with that damn starmie (he gives me hell too). Flygon is a great revenge killer.
 
BlazeMurder said:
If you don't need Toxic Spike support, why don't you make Heatran your lead, replace Roserade for Magnezone or Flygon and see how that works out. Magnezone would be a great team player, for killing Steel Types. Flygon would help you with that damn starmie (he gives me hell too). Flygon is a great revenge killer.
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I already have Flygon on my team. He's good at revenge killing Starmie, but I noticed that in general, I don't have a lot of pokemon that can switch into Water-Types. I may lead with Machamp again just because he's so efficient at 1-0ing the opposing lead. If not, I might try Jirachi or maybe even Heatran, though I've had bad luck with him as a lead.
 
Jenica said:
I already have Flygon on my team. He's good at revenge killing Starmie, but I noticed that in general, I don't have a lot of pokemon that can switch into Water-Types. I may lead with Machamp again just because he's so efficient at 1-0ing the opposing lead. If not, I might try Jirachi or maybe even Heatran, though I've had bad luck with him as a lead.
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Machamp will destroy the opposing lead. Have you thought about replace Gengar for something that's more helpful?
 
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