Team: Perfect Balance (OU RMT)

Hello again. It is time for me to write about my new team. After building teams in the past I never quite got the Pokemon to fit. After reading over some teams on the RMT Archieve, while building a brand new team, I think I finally struck gold. This team is hovering around 1200 CRE, down to my own bad prediction. Hopefully, with a bit of help from you, I can push this team over the edge and get a hopefull 1400-1500+ CRE. But enough of my intro, lets get on with the show.


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Team: Perfect Balance
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A few interesting facts:
  • Only 1 of my Pokemon is weak to Stealth Rock, 4 take neutral, and 1 resist
  • 3 Pokemon are weak to Spikes, and 3 are immune
  • Only 1 Pokemon is affected by T-Spikes, and the other 5 resist.
  • No Pokemon has a weakness that isn't covered.
Team in Detail

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4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive (+Spe -SpD)
Flash Fire

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Earth Power
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Fire Blast

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Stealth Rock

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Explosion


mtr12 suggested this lead, and I have loved it. Heatran is a pretty solid lead, getting me Stealth Rock either early game or even late-game. Fire Blast hits like a bus on things that don't resist it, and Expolsion is a nice bit of fun for those Blissey. Shuca Berry is there to better survive Ground, should I need to take one. Now lets talk about indevidual synergy. Heatran and Registeel work together well, Heatran abviously absorbs Fire attacks aimed at Registeel, while Registeel can paralyze them to a speed below Heatrans, were he can finish them off. Heatran and Latias has a bit of synergy, often, Latias will absorb a Earthquake aimed at Heatran, while Latias can then more often then not 1-2HKO the Pokemon, except if we are talking Mamoswine here. Heatran and Rotom-C have little synergy, relativly speaking, however, Heatran does draw in Blissey which Rotom-C can set up on. Heatran and Gyarados have about the same synergy as Heatran and Rotom-C. Heatran can take out a few of Infernapes counters, and can absorb Dragon type attacks quite well.

Synergy

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Goes to Latias, Gyarados, Rotom-C
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Goes to Latias, Gyarados
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Goes to Latias, Gyarados, Rotom-C

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252 HP / 168 Atk / 88 Def
Careful (+SpD -SpA)
Clear Body

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Earthquake
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Thunder Wave
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Ice Punch
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Block

HG/SS did bring Registeel an interesting move, but I'll talk about that later. Registeel is my supportive wall, pretty much never being 1HKOd by an un-boosted move, and can also counter Latias till the cows come home. Thunder Wave is a fantastic supportive move, as no sweeper likes to lose it's speed. This Registeel has beaten out many Infernapes, just down to it's EV spread. while it is standerd, the Careful Nature garentee's a never get 1HKO'd by most-to-all special moves, and Ground and ice provide excellent coverage. Registeel can also function as a status absorber, as it is bulky enough to wait to wake up. Block is interesting, as some common switch ins to the 'Steel can easily be set up on by other members of my team. Block almost functions like Wobbofet's Shadow Tag, except Registeel lacks Encore. It does however allow me to set up a move on either my Gyarados or Rotom-C. It also forces the switch in to take a Thunder Wave. Registeel justs fits with the rest of the team by absorrbing pretty much everything aimed at it.

Synergy

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Goes to Heatran, Infernape, Gyarados, Latias
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Goes to Gyarados, Latias, Rotom-C
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Goes to Latias, Rotom-C, Gyarados

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4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Speed
Modest (+SpA -Spe)
Levitate

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Draco Meteor
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Thunderbolt

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Surf

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Trick


Latias is the glue that holds this team together, and my revenge killer. Modest makes Draco Metoer pretty damn powerful on anything that doesn't resist it, while the Scarf still allows me to outspeed Salamence after a +1. Usually, Registeel abosorbs other Latias, so that's no problem. Latias fits very well by KO'ing everything that threatens this team. Killing Infernape, Gyarados, non-scarf Gengar, Starmie, Rotom-H/W/F/C/S, Bulky Waters, Empoleon, Salamence, Dragonite, Latias, Heatran, and tohers is no small joke. It also lures out Blissey, which is were Trick/Gyarados comes in. Surf, Thunderbolt, and Draco Metoer hits everything in the metagame for at least nuetral damage. I'm considering switching Trick out with Ice Beam, as this provides me hitting Grass types one hell of a lot harder.

Synergy

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Goes to Heatran, Registeel
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Goes to Heatran, Registeel, Infernape
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Goes to Heatran, Registeel, Infernape, Gyarados, Rotom-C
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Goes to Heatran, Registeel, Infernape
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Goes to Heatran, Registeel

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56 HP / 200 Speed / 252 SpA
Timid (+Spe -Atk)
Levitate

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Shadow Ball
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Charge Beam
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Substitute
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Hidden Power [Fight]

SubCharge Rotom-C is a beast. Beating Blissey one and one, and Bluky waters, is an incredible feat. Rotom-C is also an incredible bluff pokemon, letting me get Sub's up against Swamperts. As long as I have a Sub up, I have no fear of being revenge killed, as most of my moves are either 1 or two hit KO's on most Pokemon. Rotom-C's raw bulk also is incredible, usually surviving a Crunch from an unboosted Lucario even after Stealth Rock dmamge, OHKO'ing back with HP Fight. HP Fight and Ghost are ofcourse unresisted by any Pokemon, until they make a Ghost/Normal. Rotom-C can also absord quite a few attacks, such as Rapid Spin, and Fighting type move, Explosion, Ground type moves. Rotom-C gets a quite a few oppertunity to set up, as it can even set up on Pokemon like Blissey. Most if his counters can be beaten out by Registeel.

Synergy

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Goes to Registeel, Heatran, Infernape

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156 HP / 108 Atk / 100 Def / 144 Speed
Adamant (+Atk -SpA)
Intimidate

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Dragon Dance
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Taunt
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WaterFall
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Stone Edge

The legend that is Bulky Gyarados. Taunt is the key piece of this set, stoping all those Pokemon that can't be 1HKO'd by Gyarados giving me a status. After a Dragon dance, Gyarados outspeeds any un-scarf Gengar and KO's with Waterfall. Gyarados also stops Heatran, Scizor, and others in their tracks. One advantage of running a Bulky set is the Leftovers recovery. This lets me sometimes sweep twice. Gyarados also draws out Skarmory, which is then stopped by Taunt. Torment Tran also gives this guy no problems, and Stone Edge KO's Salamences and other Gyarados, providing the damn thing doesn't miss at the crucial moment, as it likes too. Registeel, once again, switches into the counters of Gyarados, I'm fairly certain that by now you can see that Registeel stops a lot of threats taking out this team.

Synergy

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Goes to Latias, Rotom-C
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Goes to Registeel

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64 Atk / 248 SpA / 196 Spe
Naive (+Spe -SpD)
Blaze

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Close Combat

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Flamethrower

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Grass Knot
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Hidden Power [Ice]

Perfect stat distrabution, with a perfect move pool. Inferape was gifted with incredible abilitys. Specially based Mixape just picks off everything and everything left at the end of a match. 196 Spe means that I outspeed other Mixapes who run 192. I run Flamethrower because missing a Fire Blast late game can lose you a match, and as far as I know, Fire Blast isn't netting you any special 1HKO's. HP Ice is the best part about it, all those Salamence who expect to come in and set-up get 1HKO'd. Same thing with Gliscors. Essentially, Infernape is an integral part of this team. All of Infernape's counters are covered by this team, so I have no fear of switching him out and bringing in a counter to it. Infernape is also my only Swampert counter.

Synergy

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Goes to Latias, Gyarados, Rotom-C

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Goes to Latias, Gyarados
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Goes to Rotom-C, Registeel, Heatran
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Goes to Latias, Registeel, Heatran

Changes
  • Changed Registeel's Nature/EV Spread
  • Changed Forretress to heatran, and made Heatran the lead
  • Totally revamped thread
If you have found any mistakes, don't be afraid to point them out.​

I am currently condsidering a Rain dance self set up Kingdra instead of Rotom-C. I need recommendation on this.

Thank you for reading this RMT. Hopefully, with a point in the right direction, I can actually get onto the LeaderBoard. Once again, please, rate my team.​
 
Give Registeel a Careful nature without SpD EVs, and 168 Att Evs. This nets you the same attack, yet allows for higher SpD. Or if you'd rather have more Def, use Impish without Def EVs.

Anyway, I don't consider myself to be good enough to actually rate teams. However, I would like to say that the overall purpose of this team isn't crystal clear to me. It looks like an odd mix of some wall/stall (registeel+forretress), some pure offense (infernape), and some bulky offense (gyara+latias+rotom). Sorry for not being able to provide you with better advice ;)
 
Hi, and well done on what seems to be a solid team overall. I have a soft spot in my heart for balanced teams, as everyone nowadays seems to be using hyper offense or pure stall, rarely ever in between. There are a couple of issues I have with your team

Firstly, you rely way too much on Registeel and Forretress for your synergy. This could end up being problematic, as there are plenty of Pokemon who can switch in and give them both a very hard time (MixMence, I'm looking at you), and once they are gone, the good synergy pretty much goes out of the window. You might say to this that Explosion will probably take him out in 1 hit, but then you are losing what seems to be a very key member of your team and strategy.

Next, you may want to switch to a Nasty Plot Mixape, destpite what you say, but keep Ice Beam for the surprise factor, as I can see Hippowdon and Gliscor really hurting this team once Gyarados is down. You could NP on the switch, then nail them with Ice Beam as they expect to get you with an EQ.

Your Rotom set does not look as effective as you claim. Keep Substitute if you want to, but it is not really that necessary, as he has quite a lot of bulk anyway. I suggest changing Charge Beam to T-Bolt, as, once you have the Sp. Atk boost, you basically have 3 fairly low-power moves.
 
Hi, and well done on what seems to be a solid team overall. I have a soft spot in my heart for balanced teams, as everyone nowadays seems to be using hyper offense or pure stall, rarely ever in between. There are a couple of issues I have with your team

Firstly, you rely way too much on Registeel and Forretress for your synergy. This could end up being problematic, as there are plenty of Pokemon who can switch in and give them both a very hard time (MixMence, I'm looking at you), and once they are gone, the good synergy pretty much goes out of the window. You might say to this that Explosion will probably take him out in 1 hit, but then you are losing what seems to be a very key member of your team and strategy.

Next, you may want to switch to a Nasty Plot Mixape, destpite what you say, but keep Ice Beam for the surprise factor, as I can see Hippowdon and Gliscor really hurting this team once Gyarados is down. You could NP on the switch, then nail them with Ice Beam as they expect to get you with an EQ.

Your Rotom set does not look as effective as you claim. Keep Substitute if you want to, but it is not really that necessary, as he has quite a lot of bulk anyway. I suggest changing Charge Beam to T-Bolt, as, once you have the Sp. Atk boost, you basically have 3 fairly low-power moves.

I assume you ment HP Ice instead of Ice Beam. The issue I have with changing my Mixape is that without Grass Knot, it is a whole team effort to bring down any Swampert. If I were to remove Charge Beam from Rotom-C, wouldn't Gengar be better? For what I'm trying to do, Rotom-C is the better option IMO. Thank you for the rate anyway.
 
From a once-over, it looks ok. Here's a more in depth rate:

Any gaping holes? (Offensive threats)
Not really, I think you got the big ones (Salamence, Gyarados, Lucario). You give Scizor a bit too much breathing room, and Gyarados is at best a tenuous Lucario check. Since it is better for you to break through stall on the special side, Gyarados isn't actually helping you much as it is. Therefore, I suggest switching it to a RT Gyara, a stall staple and personal favorite of mine .

Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/6 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Roar / Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
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As close to a 100% Lucario counter as possible, fearing only the rare Stone Edge. Works well with Forretress too.

Any unbeatable bulwarks? (Defensive threats)
Against stall, Toxic Spikes, Trick, and Infernape should be more than enough, but if you want even more fun, try a Lead Heatran with Fire Blast and Explosion. It still works well as a lead for balanced teams, and is better than Registeel here IMO. You want to be breaking through stall on the special side, which you are doing, so keep at it!

Heatran (M) @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 6 Atk/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Stealth Rock
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Explosion
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Is it optimized?(Overall synergy + Pokemon Choice)
Well, Lead Heatran is better than Registeel. Try it out. It doesn't really change your typing situation. And as it was, Gyarados was too self-contained, and not doing much for the team, only attempting to sweep itself (and probably failing because of Rotom). This way, it can help check potent threats like Lucario.
 
From a once-over, it looks ok. Here's a more in depth rate:

Any gaping holes? (Offensive threats)
Not really, I think you got the big ones (Salamence, Gyarados, Lucario). You give Scizor a bit too much breathing room, and Gyarados is at best a tenuous Lucario check. Since it is better for you to break through stall on the special side, Gyarados isn't actually helping you much as it is. Therefore, I suggest switching it to a RT Gyara, a stall staple and personal favorite of mine .

Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/6 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Roar / Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
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As close to a 100% Lucario counter as possible, fearing only the rare Stone Edge. Works well with Forretress too.

Any unbeatable bulwarks? (Defensive threats)
Against stall, Toxic Spikes, Trick, and Infernape should be more than enough, but if you want even more fun, try a Lead Heatran with Fire Blast and Explosion. It still works well as a lead for balanced teams, and is better than Registeel here IMO. You want to be breaking through stall on the special side, which you are doing, so keep at it!

Heatran (M) @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 6 Atk/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Stealth Rock
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Explosion
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Is it optimized?(Overall synergy + Pokemon Choice)
Well, Lead Heatran is better than Registeel. Try it out. It doesn't really change your typing situation. And as it was, Gyarados was too self-contained, and not doing much for the team, only attempting to sweep itself (and probably failing because of Rotom). This way, it can help check potent threats like Lucario.

Thank you for the rate. I'm not entirely sure about that RT Gyara, as it just looks a bit too suseptable to me. While Rest Talk does allow me to get all status's off, Taunt does effectively stop Stall too. While Gyarados is mainly contained to sweeping, that was my original intent with that Bulky Gyarados. As far as I know, Latias isn't OHKO'd (I think) by a +2 Lucario's Extremespeed, and Surf is as Close as after a Life Orb recoil.

I like that Lead Tran, but I was woundering, if I replace Forretress with my Registeel (I don't really like Forretress on this team) and use Leadtran, change Registeels move set, would I be able to do better? Thanks.
 
Theoretically speaking, you can use Taunt over Roar to break stall. Waterfall still let's you counter Lucario, as you are not 2HKO'd by a +1 (Intimidate) LO CC.

Latias gets this from an Extremespeed:
700 Atk vs 216 Def & 301 HP (80 Base Power): 241 - 284 (80.07% - 94.35%)
So you are OHKOed 46.15% of the time after Stealth Rock and Latias might have taken SR multiple times because it is scarfed, guaranteeing the OHKO.

I tihnk why you don't like Forretress is because you are still using the older set, which has lost much of its utility in the current metagame. I would suggest trying out the new shit: SDef Forry. Registeel's typing is pretty disappointing, and Forretress has more utility roles.

Forretress (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/6 Def/252 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Earthquake / Toxic Spikes
- Payback
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Not sure you need Toxic Spikes, but Spikes help.
 
This team looks solid, nice job

But Mamoswine could pose a threat: 1HKO Heatran despite the Shucka Berry! Gyarados clomes cose but fears the endeavor (when Mamo is a 1%) and if you decide to DD against him, you last Gyara and leave Mamoswine again alive with the dangerous Endeavor. Infernape could KO it but then you revealed him already early in the match. Rotom-c could also work if you finish it of directly (and not try to set up) since Ice Shard destroys your Sub (and most likely your opponent would leave Mamoswine in against Rotom).

This is a pretty good team after all. ^^
 
This team looks solid, nice job

But Mamoswine could pose a threat: 1HKO Heatran despite the Shucka Berry! Gyarados clomes cose but fears the endeavor (when Mamo is a 1%) and if you decide to DD against him, you last Gyara and leave Mamoswine again alive with the dangerous Endeavor. Infernape could KO it but then you revealed him already early in the match. Rotom-c could also work if you finish it of directly (and not try to set up) since Ice Shard destroys your Sub (and most likely your opponent would leave Mamoswine in against Rotom).

This is a pretty good team after all. ^^

Thanks for the rate. Is there anyway I could beat Mamoswine with this team? Just a note, Specially based RD Kingdra is under testing.
 
like I said: Gyarados could do a good job against Mamo, except when he is at 1% health, since he is faster and will Endeavor you.
Rotom could also do well since he is slightly faster faster and unaffected by endeavor. He is also immune to Earthquake and Ice Shard will not do enough damage. You can KO him with HP Fight.
 
Your missing 42 ev's on your registeel. Also I don't really see what block is doing for you. I don't think people who are fearing t-wave are going to be switching in on registeel considering the move is on over half the registeels in the ou environment. What do you gain from trapping your opponents answer to registeel? It does not give you anymore set-up turns for gyarados then just switching straight to him.
Also I am thoroughly confused by this:
I have a soft spot in my heart for balanced teams, as everyone nowadays seems to be using hyper offense or pure stall, rarely ever in between.
 
Your missing 42 ev's on your registeel. Also I don't really see what block is doing for you. I don't think people who are fearing t-wave are going to be switching in on registeel considering the move is on over half the registeels in the ou environment. What do you gain from trapping your opponents answer to registeel? It does not give you anymore set-up turns for gyarados then just switching straight to him.
Also I am thoroughly confused by this:

Fixed the 40 missing EV's. I use Block as tbh, when I was looking through Registeel's moves, I didn't want to use Explosion, or Stealth Rock since Heatran had those, so I though that Block was the only other viable move. Also, I never aid that quote btw, that was the first poster.
 
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