team trap and destroy

gibsonguitar

Hi and thanks ahead of time for helping me out. I want to build a team that can trap and eliminate targets with ease. So far this is what i have...

Crobat
timid
focus sash
evs= 160 HP/ 132 SpA/ 216 Spe
-hypnosis
-taunt
-U-turn/shadow ball
-air slash

Crobat to me seems like a great starter in any battle. hypnosis is great cause well sleeping someone is great. If the starter happens to be a lumberry bronzong then u can taunt it first to stop it from sleeping u. Focus sash is incase hypnosis were to miss or a taunted bronzong were to use gyro ball, explosion, or psychic. U can then U-turn to a counter for there starting pokemon (magnezone or dugtrio).

Magnezone
modest
leftovers
evs= 172 HP / 252 SpA / 84 Spe
-thunder bolt
-HP ice
-Substitute
-Magnet rise

This is were my teams name/plan starts coming in. If they did have a bronzong or skarm as a starter then this guy is coming in play. Traps them nicely and then setup/kill. I cant express my love for magnezone especially with all those sandstorm teams out there using those annoying steels.

Dugtrio
adament/jolly
choice band/life orb
evs= 252 ATK / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
-earthquake
-sucker punch
-stone edge
-aerial ace

Another trapper like magnezone. Send him out after uve done ur magic with crobat to finish the job.

Deoxyes-E
Hasty
expert belt
evs= 160 ATK / 252 SpA / 96 Spe
-psychic
-super power
-ice beam
-thunder bolt

Ive seen a lot of teams with him and I just had to throw him in and see how he works. Its a great gyra counter and garchomp counter. It can finish the job that my trappers in the early game may have failed to do.

Lucario
adament
life orb
evs= 4 HP / 252 ATK / 252 Spe
-swords dance
-close combat
-bullet punch
-crunch/ stone edge

Lucario is there cause he looks awesome and actually is amazing to back it up. He is a great finisher and can take pokes out with ease after an sdance or two. After one sdance he is leaving the most commen walls and 10% to no life. After two, there is no hope for any walls.

Garchomp
adament/jolly
Yache berry
evs= 252 ATK / 252 Spe / 4 Def
-swords dance
-dragon claw
-earthquake
-fire fang
Right now its the only hope for a mamoswine save, as mamoswine can almost sweep my whole team.

Thanks again for any advice or help.

Changes in Bold
 
First of all magnet pull isn't an attack on magnezone it's the ability. Maybe you mean't magnet rise, in which case I would go with hp ice as then you stand a chance at revenge killing an outraging garchomp. Everything else seems fine but your team is very offensive and lacks defense and now that I look again mamoswine takes care of most of your team pretty easily (5/6 are weak to his STAB attacks) so for you last poke so you'll want something that can counter him well, although at the moment only bronzong comes to mind.
 
well then it dosnt help that I put garchomp in I guess. Bronzong might help but I think i want something else maybe something that just counters mamoswine, or i could just put in wabafette. ANd yes I did mean magnet rise.
 
ok thanks. ALso I think i might use bronzong as suggested because its a nice mamo counter and I need a wall. But I need a set that does just that, deals with mamo and is a resourcful wall. ANy sets? And who should I get rid off in its place?
 
I would just put fire fang on your Chomp to counter Mamoswine. You will be faster than him, so you can take him out with that.
 
YacheChomp won't be OHKO'd by a Ice Shard, revenge killing it back with a Fire Fang / Fire Blast, not the safest and recommended way, but could work.

Looking at your team, YacheChomp would fit better than ScarfChomp, you have a Magnezone to eliminate Bronzong and Jirachi and such, so you could always use Sub / SD / EQ / DC Chomp, sub is there to be a bitch, but you can always use Fire Fang, still though, ScarfChomp does good too if you don't want YacheChomp, I was only saying because you have a super speed pokemom, Deoxys.

Bronzong would fit, I would recommend to put it over Crobat, but the synregy of the team would be fucked up, unless you don't want a U-Turner, then Bronzong is an amazing lead, setting up rocks and sleeping pokemon, being a Mamoswine counter and Deoxys counter. Bronzong should look something like;

Bronzong @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 Hp / 72 Atk / 128 Def / 56 SpDef
Nature: Brave / Relaxed
- Hypnosis
- Stealth Rock
- Gyro Ball
- Explosion / Reflect / Light Screen


Consider Bullet Punch on Lucario, for Gengar who might try to sweep you. If not then just use a different nature, such as Sassy or Careful to take special attacks better, and killing off Gengar with a Gyro Ball. I don't see anything else to say, it has alot of synregy.
 
His Chomp is Scarfed, not Yache.
However, a Yache berry Chomp would work well in this team.

Garchomp@YacheBerry
Sand Veil
Jolly
4HP/252Att/252Spe

Dragon Claw
Fire Blast
Earthquake
Swords Dance

Is much better at Mamo revenge killing.
Some like fire fang, but Fire Blast is stronger before SD, in case you can't pull it off.
 
Venom said:
Looking at your team, YacheChomp would fit better than ScarfChomp
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Olie said:
His Chomp is Scarfed, not Yache.
However, a Yache berry Chomp would work well in this team.
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hmmm, with magnezone killing off the damn bronzongs and skarmories, I actually think that you may be better off with a subsalac garchomp and leading off with bronzong, as venom said. this way, you deal with mamoswine just fine with zong while having a more "potent" sweeper, who can run through teams with +2 attack and +1 speed. if you do go with bronzong, I think that lucario needs to go, though. one of those careful cbtars could easily go over him, as your team doesn't mind sandstorm, you'd get rid of those annoying cresselias and whatnot, you have a special "wall" to turn to when in doubt, you fit the trap theme even further, and we all know what sandstorm + subbing garchomp can do.

here's the ttar set, since listing sets seems to be all the rage these days

Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Trait: Sand Stream
Evs: 252 hp / 40 Atk / 216 SpDef
Nature: Careful
~ Crunch
~ Stone Edge
~ Earthquake
~ Pursuit
 
so u think i should use a yacheberry garchomp and switch bronzong for lucario? Where would the tyranitar go? Should i use the ttar instead of the bronzong? I like the idea of the subsalac garchomp though and if i go with that i would have to run bronzong as my counter for mamo cause i dont have yacheberry. Itsounds better though running zong cause if mamo gets a crit on garchomp then its over. Where would ttar go in this though?
 
aaa no! bronzong would go over crobat as your lead, using hypnosis and getting stealth rock down (use a lum berry, please) while at the same time countering mamoswine. subsalac (or sub brightpowder) garchomp would go over scarfchomp, and tyranitar would go over lucario. so it'd look like

bronzong / dugtrio / magnezone / tyranitar / garchomp / deoxys
 
well i didnt want to use bronzong as my lead cause thats so common. But i will experiment with it. The reason i like crobat is cause it can screw bronzong up. I will try it out though, thanks.
 
just posting to say that if you're using this in the official server, wobbuffet really brings a team together.

also, I (also I guess) like gibson way more than fender. I play bass, but gibson is still way cooler.

good luck battling. :)
 
Honestly i feel Chain Chomp or even Scarf Chomp
would work better on this team then a sub salac chomp
its just more beneficial for this team ^^
 
how is chainchomp more beneficial for this team?
sub salac chomp is a solid sweeper, able to plow through teams once steels are gone due to magnezone, something chainchomp will never do. as far as wallbreaking, the steels are taken care of by magnezone, random crap loses to dugtrio, and gliscor, well, gliscor gets beaten by a decent amount of this team. what the hell would you use chainchomp for? it's slower, weaker on the physical side, has a nasty lossof 10% health per turn, can't sweep, and everything it beats is already covered.

so how is chainchomp helpful?
 
Stathakis makes a valid point, how would chainchomp be beneficial? I still cant decide over which I want to use yache, salac? I dont think yache berry garchomp is the best way to try and counter a mamoswine. ANd salac would only work if i had a sub setup. THe only other way would be bronzong, but i dont want to get rid of crobat as my lead. So i would need a late game bronzong and I have never seen one of those b4. Is there any other options besides bronzong?
 
either YacheChomp + Crobat, or Bronzong + SubSalacChomp

Personally, I would feel safer with a Bronzong and SubSalacChomp
 
hmm well i was looking at other bronzong counter like weezing/cresselia/skarm. I also found a set for bronzong that may work out for a late game mamo counter.

Bronzong
bold
leftovers
-block
-grassknot
-phychic/charge beam
-rest
Pretty self explanitory, just need the ev spread.
 
Bronzong itself is a Mamoswine counter, Grass Knot or not. It should look something like this

Bronzong @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate / Heatproof
EVs: 252 Hp / 72 Atk / 128 Def / 56 SpDef
Nature: Brave / Relaxed
- Hypnosis
- Stealth Rock
- Gyro Ball
- Explosion / Reflect / Light Screen / Earthquake

Make sure you have 1 IV in speed, for the Gyro Ball boost, which is what kills Mamoswines and Gengars, for the most part. Explosion is for when you can't do anything anymore, or use Earthquake to kill switch ins such as Magnezone and Heatran, or reflect for the team support.

The SubSalac Garchomp set in on the smogon page.
 
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