Team Vexation (OU Team)

[WhiteQueen]

Team Vexation:

Introduction: This team's main purpose is to annoy. Though winning the battle is just as important. I have been playing with it for awhile now,and it's doing pretty well. Why do I make a team aimed at annoying people? Well, I find stall teams extremely annoying and the metagame is full of stall teams, so why not counter annoyance with annoyance?

Jirachi @ Choice Scarf
Jolly Nature
154 HP / 252 Atk / 104 Spe
~ Thunderpunch
~ Trick
~ U-turn
~ Iron Head

Jirachi is my lead. He can often kill off Azelf and Aerodactyl before they even have a chance to lay down Stealth Rock. Metagross and Heatran are also very common leads, so when I fight off against those, I U-turn to Starmie. Then Metagross would lay down Stealth Rock, and I would blow it away with Rapid Spin. Often, the enemy Metagross would use Explosion, and I'm willing to sacrifice my Starmie. It's an evenly matched casualty, so why not? Starmie is important to my team, but eh, what's there to do? Also, with 104 Spe, Jirachi can outrun a jolly Gyrados with +1 Speed.

Celebi @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe
~ Heal Bell
~ Perish Song
~ Recover
~ U-turn
His main purpose is to scout, heal, and make Breloom and those power-boosting pokemon like Suicune switch. And if my opponent is down to one pokemon, say Suicune or Snorlax or Slowbro or something else, then the battle is pretty much won once Perish Song is used.

Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
188 HP / 252 Def / 68 Spe
~ Wish
~ Protect
~ Surf
~ Ice Beam
Vaporeon is extremely important to my team. My pokemon are all kinda bulky, but they can't take hits like Blissey and Skarmory can, so I need Wish to heal my weakened pokemon whenever possible. Plus, with enough health, he's able to kill off Salamence for me.

Lanturn @ Leftovers
Calm Nature
252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
~ Thunder Wave
~ Confuse Ray
~ Substitute
~ Surf
Well, Lanturn is there to take special attacks. I can safely switch him into pretty much any special attackers that don't pack Earth Power. Then it gets fun from there--> TW, Confuse Ray, Sub to drive the enemy crazy.

Nidoqueen @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SpA
~ Flamethrower
~ Roar
~ Stealth Rock
~ Toxic Spikes
There are better options, but she really serves my team well. Toxic Spikes are a huge threat to my team, so I need a pokemon that can absorb them. Not only that, but she can lay down Toxic Spikes herself and Stealth Rock. Oh, and she's my Scizor and Lucario "counter." If Salamence or something nasty switches in on her, then I'll use Roar, since risk losing the battle to save her is not worth it.

Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid Nature
136 HP / 156 Def / 216 Spe
~ Surf
~ Thunderbolt (I'm thinking of replacing it with Ice Beam to counter Salamence better)
~ Recover
~ Rapid Spin

Starmie is my Infernape counter. Without her, Infernape would cause me a bunch of problem. She's an overall useful pokemon to switch into the likes of Heatran, etc. And she also is a bait for me to switch Lanturn in.

Weaknesses: Well, this team has all sort of problems. One, I don't have a ghost to stop switch in when I predict an Azelf or Magnezone or another pokemon is about to use Explosion. Thus, I have to switch in Nidoqueen or Jirachi to take the damage for me (if either is still at near 100% HP of course). Also, without a ghost, I don't have anything to block rapid spin, but that's no problem. I don't need to block rapid spin.

I feel my team lacks fire power, but that, I mean it's not offensive enough AND it doesn't pack enough residual damage. And I feel like I could replace one pokemon with another to make the team better, but I'm having a lot of trouble doing so. I can't really think of any replacement because when I try to do so, it defeats the purpose of the team. I don't want a super duper stall team, I want a team that annoys.

Criticisms and suggestions please?

 

[DRADE]

Team Vexation:

Introduction: This team's main purpose is to annoy. Though winning the battle is just as important. I have been playing with it for awhile now,and it's doing pretty well. Why do I make a team aimed at annoying people? Well, I find stall teams extremely annoying and the metagame is full of stall teams, so why not counter annoyance with annoyance?

Jirachi @ Choice Scarf
Jolly Nature
154 HP / 252 Atk / 104 Spe
~ Thunderpunch
~ Trick
~ U-turn
~ Iron Head

Jirachi is my lead. He can often kill off Azelf and Aerodactyl before they even have a chance to lay down Stealth Rock. Metagross and Heatran are also very common leads, so when I fight off against those, I U-turn to Starmie. Then Metagross would lay down Stealth Rock, and I would blow it away with Rapid Spin. Often, the enemy Metagross would use Explosion, and I'm willing to sacrifice my Starmie. It's an evenly matched casualty, so why not? Starmie is important to my team, but eh, what's there to do? Also, with 104 Spe, Jirachi can outrun a jolly Gyrados with +1 Speed.

Dump Thunderpunch for SR since your trying to annoy your gonna want SR.

Celebi @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe
~ Heal Bell
~ Perish Song
~ Recover
~ U-turn
His main purpose is to scout, heal, and make Breloom and those power-boosting pokemon like Suicune switch. And if my opponent is down to one pokemon, say Suicune or Snorlax or Slowbro or something else, then the battle is pretty much won once Perish Song is used.

You cant really scout for this team and this guy isnt gonna beat a Snorlax or Suicune and you wouldnt probably never fight a Slowbro. You may want to take either

Skarmory |

Ability: Keen Eye

Item: Leftovers

Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP | 64 Atk | 176 Def | 16 Spe
Move Set:

• Stealth Rock
  ​
• Spikes | Brave Bird
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• Roost
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• Whirlwind​

or
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Flygon |
Ability: Levitate
Item: Choice Scarf
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 6 HP | 252 Atk | 252 Spd
Move Set:

• Dragon Claw
  
• Outrage
  

• Earthquake

• U-Turn

to scout.

Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
188 HP / 252 Def / 68 Spe
~ Wish
~ Protect
~ Surf
~ Ice Beam
Vaporeon is extremely important to my team. My pokemon are all kinda bulky, but they can't take hits like Blissey and Skarmory can, so I need Wish to heal my weakened pokemon whenever possible. Plus, with enough health, he's able to kill off Salamence for me.

Again not needed since you now have a cleric. Switch this to a Cresselia.

Cresselia @ Leftovers
Bold
Levitate

Ice Beam
Reflect
Moonlight
Thunder Wave/Charge Beam/ Psychic

252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA

Lanturn @ Leftovers
Calm Nature
252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
~ Thunder Wave
~ Confuse Ray
~ Substitute
~ Surf
Well, Lanturn is there to take special attacks. I can safely switch him into pretty much any special attackers that don't pack Earth Power. Then it gets fun from there--> TW, Confuse Ray, Sub to drive the enemy crazy.

This guy is doing nothing better than what Blissey or even Snorlax could do. Since you now no longer have a cleric switch this to

Blissey @ Leftovers
Natural Cure
Calm

Aromatherapy
Ice Beam
T Wave
Softboiled

252 Def / 40 SpA / 216 SpD

Nidoqueen @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SpA
~ Flamethrower
~ Roar
~ Stealth Rock
~ Toxic Spikes
There are better options, but she really serves my team well. Toxic Spikes are a huge threat to my team, so I need a pokemon that can absorb them. Not only that, but she can lay down Toxic Spikes herself and Stealth Rock. Oh, and she's my Scizor and Lucario "counter." If Salamence or something nasty switches in on her, then I'll use Roar, since risk losing the battle to save her is not worth it.

This guy isnt very good compared to Roserade. So switch this to

Roserade @ Leftovers
Natural Cure
Timid

Sleep Powder
Toxic Spikes
Grass Knot/ Leaf Storm
HP Fire

6 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid Nature
136 HP / 156 Def / 216 Spe
~ Surf
~ Thunderbolt (I'm thinking of replacing it with Ice Beam to counter Salamence better)
~ Recover
~ Rapid Spin

Starmie is my Infernape counter. Without her, Infernape would cause me a bunch of problem. She's an overall useful pokemon to switch into the likes of Heatran, etc. And she also is a bait for me to switch Lanturn in.

Starmie isnt the best Ape counter you could get. You may want to go for a Tentacruel since it is the bbest counter for nape.

Tentacruel @ Leftovers
Calm
Liquid Ooze

Surf
Toxic Spikes
Ice Beam
Rapid Spin

252 HP / 120 Def / 136 SpD

This gives you a better counter and Rapid spinner and second Toxic Spiker. another counter for Salamence as well.

Weaknesses: Well, this team has all sort of problems. One, I don't have a ghost to stop switch in when I predict an Azelf or Magnezone or another pokemon is about to use Explosion. Thus, I have to switch in Nidoqueen or Jirachi to take the damage for me (if either is still at near 100% HP of course). Also, without a ghost, I don't have anything to block rapid spin, but that's no problem. I don't need to block rapid spin.

I feel my team lacks fire power, but that, I mean it's not offensive enough AND it doesn't pack enough residual damage. And I feel like I could replace one pokemon with another to make the team better, but I'm having a lot of trouble doing so. I can't really think of any replacement because when I try to do so, it defeats the purpose of the team. I don't want a super duper stall team, I want a team that annoys.

Criticisms and suggestions please?

Team has major weaknesses and needs a big makeover.
5/10

 

[Blackhawk11]

Hey, I'm going to try and better your team without replacing 5 of your Pokes like DRADE did.

You may want to put Heatran > Lanturn. Adding Heatran gives you that CeleTran+Water combo which is great defensively. A somewhat defensive Heatran would probably be best for your somewhat defensive team, perhaps a SubWoW set. It looks like this:

Heatran @ Leftovers
Timid Nature
Flash Fire
4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
-Fire Blast / Flamethrower
-Earth Power
-Substitute
-Will-O-Wisp

With this set, you can force a switch and set up a sub, then act according to the switch-in. Flyers like Gyarados and Salamence who are immune to Toxic Spikes can be burned, while Tyranitar can be Earth Powered at least once, or you could try to toxic stall him.

An advantage to having Heatran on your team would be an immunity to Toxic Spikes, as well an immunity to Fire, which no other Pokemon on your team could repeatedly switch into.

A disadvantage of having Heatran, actually more because you lost Lanturn, is one less immunity to Electric attacks, but you should manage. If the lack of Electric immunity doesn't sound appealing, you could test Swampert > Jirachi as your lead. Pert could lay rocks for you, clearing up a moveslot on Nidoqueen.

On Celebi, put HP Fire > Perish Song, and then change U-turn to Grass Knot or Energy Ball. This will give you a fighting chance against Scizor switch-ins. Your nature was wrong anyway, the only attack you were using was physical, so you should have had an Impish nature > Bold, but this way you should keep Bold.

One thing I notice is that you don't have a reliable answer for Salamence and Gyarados, mainly Gyarados, after they get a DD off. Scarfing Starmie is a potential option, but then you would have to a) drop Rapid Spin, b) risk getting stuck on Rapid Spin and being major Pursuit bait, or c) put Trick in place of either Tbolt or Ice Beam, which kind of defeats the purpose of Scarfing it in the first place.

If you put Tentacruel > Starmie as suggested above, then Nidoqueen isn't necessary anymore, in which case you should change Nidoqueen to Swampert, who can take physical hits like Outrage once or twice (with Wish support), then counter with Ice Beam.

So, in summary, here's what I suggested:

-Heatran > Lanturn.
-HP Fire and a Grass move on Celebi.
-Possibly changing Jirachi to Swampert.
-Possibly Scarfing Starmie.
-Possibly changing Starmie to Tentacruel.
-If putting Tentacruel > Starmie, changing Nidoqueen to Swampert.

1) Jirachi / Celebi / Heatran / Vaporeon / Nidoqueen / Starmie
-or-
2) Swampert / Celebi / Heatran / Vaporeon / Nidoqueen / Starmie
-or-
3) Jirachi / Celebi / Heatran / Vaporeon / Swampert / Tentacruel

I'll let you test that and see what you think, and also let other raters point out any flaws I might have in my reasoning.

Edit:

DRADE, wtf is that? This is Kazeshini's team Vexation, not team DRADE.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

 

[Raj]

Hey Kazeshini, welcome to Smogon! It's nice to see that some new users can read the rules before posting.

DRADE, wtf is that? This is Kazeshini's team Vexation, not team DRADE.

Something that I noticed right off the bat with this team is a weakness to Salamence and Flygon. While Mence cannot score a super-effective STAB hit on any one of your teammates, a correctly played Mix Mence (or even DD for that matter) could tear this to shreds. Fire Blast deals hefty damage to your first two Mons, Earthquake to Jirachi, Lanturn, and Nido, and nothing other than Jirachi can reliably come in and take a Draco Meteor for the team, especially if there's an Outrage coming next.

While used differently, Scarf Flygon could essentially do the same thing. Earthquake and U-Turn are going to score super-effective hits on all your team except Vappy, who doesn't appreciate STAB Outrage when at lower health. That covers offensive threats for the most part.

On the defensive side, Blissey will wall your entire team if Jirachi is down so you should look out. Perish Song aids a little bit in this problem, but you may want to back something with a bit of a punch to it. Immediately I think that Curse or Wish Umbreon could have a nice niche in this team as it fulfills the bulky requirement and can provide the same support as Vaporeon (whose Water Absorb ability isn't so attractive when you already have several resists. Give it a try.

 

[KurashiDragon]

Ok, my suggetion to you is thus.

First: It'd be better if you gave ice punch to jirachi in place of thunder punch. Your not switching into very many gyarados unless your going for the revenge kill. Ice punch is because your team can be torn to shreds by most dragons in ou. Also Vaporeon fits in as Gyarados's Counter. If you traded in ice beam for HP (Electric) you wouldn't have to sacrifice a pokemon just to get your Gyarados counter in as vaporeon does a fantasmal job of tanking Gyarados's moves.

 

[WhiteQueen]

DRADE: Those were good suggestions, but I'm not interested in having a team like that. I know my team packs a lot of weaknesses, but that's what makes it fun for me. Tentacruel replacing Starmie is a great idea since it acts as both an Infernape counter and can Rapid Spin.

Blackhawk11: Lanturn is pretty much untouchable, so there is no way I can remove him to make room for another pokemon. I tried replacing Vaporeon with Sub Heatran, but that didn't work out too well. Wish is so important to my psuedo-bulk team. Without Perish Song on Celebi, pokemon like Suicune causes me so much problem, especially the Calm Mind + Surf + Rest combo, so that's a move I can't get rid of. Though, U-Turn for something like HP Fire does sound good. I usually U-turn upon a switch to avoid Scizor or Ttar, but taking down Scizor with HP Fire is certainly a good move.

Jirachi is to stop pokemon from laying down Stealth Rock and his Serene Grace + Iron Head combo really come in handy against some my threats like Salamence and Latias once they are both weakened somewhat.

Removing Starmie and Nidoqueen for Tentancruel is a great idea since Tenta does what they both do, lay down Toxic Spikes and Rapid Spin. This means I'll have another slot for a new pokemon, perhaps Heatran or Swampert, either would be beneficial to my team. I'll definitely try that.

dragonites: Thanks for the welcome! Yes, I have thought a lot about replacing Umbreon with Vaporeon since they both have Wish. Not only that, but Umbreon can also Curse + Payback, that combo would help a bunch and can be really annoying. I'll definitely try that as well.

KurashiDragon: You're absolutely right. Both Starmie and Vaporeon could counter Gyarados, so I really don't need Jirachi to revenge kill it. Ice Punch would be a lot more usable considering all the nasty dragons flying around in the metagame.

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Wow thanks a lot everyone. Those were all really helpful suggestions that I'll use to try to improve my team on.