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The Abortion Thread (use this!)
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If you mean feminism has become radicalised, man-hating, and is seeking some sort of matriarchal supremacist society - you might want to look at the current state of feminism. Right now all we'd really like is [and I'm doing this on a national british/american level as going into the world state of female oppression is far too bleak] to sort out the whole rape thing, equal day's work, sort out maternity/paternity leave, and to be able to walk down the street without receiving shit based solely on the fact you own a pair of tits.
Yeah. The media concentrates on misandric radical feminism -which is a tiny part of even radical feminism- because it suits their agenda to write valid complaints about the way women are treated in our society as the rantings of a few psychotic bra-burning man-hating dykes; much in the same way rape is portrayed in the media as being only perpetrated by the odd psycho, as opposed to everyday people, but that's another complaint for another day.
Yes there are. I'm not allowed to drive drunk on the road. This is a law designed to legislate responsibility. I could use drugs, but this is also illegal. Once again a law designed to legislate responsible behavior.
The law wasn't put into place to directly enforce responsibility. It was put in place for protection. There aren't any laws that stop you from gambling your life savings in Vegas despite being irresponsible.
So if I were to get pregnant right now, a year before graduation, I would have to quit school and put my future on hold, be shamed by my family, and go through 9 months of physical anguish by myself. Afterwards I get to be mentally distraught by giving it up for adoption after enduring those 9 months, or I can ruin my future and make nothing of myself while taking care of a screaming baby alone. Why by myself? Because the majority of college age boys are going to bail and refuse responsibility.
And that makes the woman selfish for not wanting to ruin her life? Does it really seem morally sound to allow men to be completely irresponsible for their children while also refusing women the rights to her own body?
It's not like abortion is an easy choice either. Most women would be morally conflicted if put in the position between having an abortion and ruining their lives.
Once they develop procedures to transfer a fetus into a man so he can share responsibility, I will switch to anti-choice.
And that makes the woman selfish for not wanting to ruin her life? Does it really seem morally sound to allow men to be completely irresponsible for their children while also refusing women the rights to her own body?
It's not like abortion is an easy choice either. Most women would be morally conflicted if put in the position between having an abortion and ruining their lives.
Once they develop procedures to transfer a fetus into a man so he can share responsibility, I will switch to anti-choice.
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Ok if you think I give two shits about what the Supreme Court or our Government rules as true false, legal or moral, your dead fucking wrong. So what you say in the above is pointless.
And second, your taking a little example I provided out of context, over analyzing it, and being far to politically correct. If you really think that a child deserves to die in this case, not the rapist, then there is no word in the tongue of English i could utter to describe the lack of common sense you mush have.
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akuchi said:
Just because a woman fucks up her life ( I'm leaving the rape factor out of this one ) doesn't mean her child should be fucked over.
I stopped reading after "Being a mother is the most important purpose of women".
A fetus is not a person. It is less intelligent than an animal. Calling abortion murder is just trying to win sympathy points.
Imagine the amount of "potential life" lost each time you masturbate.
I'm not ignoring that they both fuck there shit up. Two people fucked up, now deal with what happens cuz of your dumb ass mistakes.
Or go get an abortion like a piece of shit.
What ever works for you. I just think abortion is stupid, but should always be legal, no on has the authority to say it should or shouldn't be.
Or go get an abortion like a piece of shit.
What ever works for you. I just think abortion is stupid, but should always be legal, no on has the authority to say it should or shouldn't be.
For one, I'm against abortion. Jibaku pretty much summed up how I feel about it, then again, a woman being raped, and her baby inside having the blood of the person who possibly made her experience the worst day of her life, it's just a situation that I can't really go one way, she wants to have the baby because it hurts her and she loves it, or the baby is something that will remind her of what happened, the day that she got raped, and wishes to abort. On the other hand, if you were just stupid to use no condom, or no pregnancy pill and you want to abort the baby, then you are wrong and should face it how it is, because the baby does not have anything to do with your faults.
The way I feel about it
The way I feel about it
Hummm I never considered that most of those kid's end up in the door steps of churches and what not. And raising a kid to be a Christian is a hell of alot worse than aborting it.
Touché.
Still, you shouldn't discard the kid like that and I don't think its as easy as "O I'll just dump it here."
Touché.
Still, you shouldn't discard the kid like that and I don't think its as easy as "O I'll just dump it here."
The point I'm trying to make is pro-lifers really are only out to punish women - they don't give a shit what happens to the baby once it's born.
They've used the woman as a means to an end - the baby - as a human incubator; but they don't actually go out and raise the kids that they profess to care about so much themselves. As long as it's someone elses problem, hey?
They've used the woman as a means to an end - the baby - as a human incubator; but they don't actually go out and raise the kids that they profess to care about so much themselves. As long as it's someone elses problem, hey?
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And a newborn leeches nutrients from the mother without giving her any benefits, while not sheltered by her body per se, one could say that, as it is deriving nutrients from the woman's body, and grows there. So it fits the definition pretty well too!
You know what? I. Really. Don't. Give. A. Shit.
Is it too fucking much to ask that you don't have sex?
No sex = no pregnancy! It's fucking SIMPLE.
I don't buy into all that crap that sex is "solely for reproduction" etc, but reproduction is a possible effect of having sex.
If you don't want to reproduce don't fucking have sex.
And if you do want to have sex, then don't bitch and moan about "you ruining your life" or "ruining your future" because you're the one who got naked with the other guy and let him fuck you. Ypu took the chance that you might have a baby, deal with it instead of killing someone because taking responsibility is too damn hard.
You do not have an inalienable right to fuck.
I have no moral objection to premarital sex or promiscuity. But having premarital sex or being promiscuous entails that you are responsible for whatever happens, that is, the child that you may end up carrying with your body.
btw the fact that the guy might run off, etc, is completely irrelevant, because we're talking about "not killing people". Of course the guy is equally responsible for the baby. That doesn't mean that you should kill the baby just because the other guy couldn't, to use an old cliche, "be a man". Just because someone else is criminally negligent does not give you the right to be a murderer.
Rape is an entirely different story, and I have two conflicting positions in regards to rape and abortion (she didn't actually choose to be impregnated v.s punishing the baby for someone else's crime) and I'm sort of leaning towards the former, but it's not cut-and-dry. Saving the mother's life is more cut-and-dry, if not aborting = mother dies, then not aborting = murder, therefore, if the mother wants to choose to save her own life over that of her child's, then I suppose that's okay.
But if you willingly lay down with a guy, and wake up pregnant, you have no fucking sympathy from me. Okay? So take all your "insenstivity" and "misogyny" bullshit somewhere else, unlike you I actually have moral prinicples (rather than "oh this isn't too convenient for me k"). It's called personal responsibility, and like typical delusional CNN watching left-wing liberal fuckwads, personal responsibility seems utterly irrelevant to you.
Also, fuck this "you're not a woman you can't say anything" well, if you're potentially killing a person, I as a human being have a right, and an obligation to say something.
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Yes, yes, better than you killing the baby. I fucking mean that. If you're pregnant seriously leave it on a doorstep, or better, take it to an emergency pregnancy center (of course a lot of those have religious affiliation but you'd rather let your baby live than worry about that...oh wait).
okay, "irrational hatred of religion much"? Everything > Death. Basic principle of the universe.
And a newborn leeches nutrients from the mother without giving her any benefits, while not sheltered by her body per se, one could say that, as it is deriving nutrients from the woman's body, and grows there. So it fits the definition pretty well too!
Raikou said:
You know what? I. Really. Don't. Give. A. Shit.
Is it too fucking much to ask that you don't have sex?
No sex = no pregnancy! It's fucking SIMPLE.
I don't buy into all that crap that sex is "solely for reproduction" etc, but reproduction is a possible effect of having sex.
If you don't want to reproduce don't fucking have sex.
And if you do want to have sex, then don't bitch and moan about "you ruining your life" or "ruining your future" because you're the one who got naked with the other guy and let him fuck you. Ypu took the chance that you might have a baby, deal with it instead of killing someone because taking responsibility is too damn hard.
You do not have an inalienable right to fuck.
I have no moral objection to premarital sex or promiscuity. But having premarital sex or being promiscuous entails that you are responsible for whatever happens, that is, the child that you may end up carrying with your body.
btw the fact that the guy might run off, etc, is completely irrelevant, because we're talking about "not killing people". Of course the guy is equally responsible for the baby. That doesn't mean that you should kill the baby just because the other guy couldn't, to use an old cliche, "be a man". Just because someone else is criminally negligent does not give you the right to be a murderer.
Rape is an entirely different story, and I have two conflicting positions in regards to rape and abortion (she didn't actually choose to be impregnated v.s punishing the baby for someone else's crime) and I'm sort of leaning towards the former, but it's not cut-and-dry. Saving the mother's life is more cut-and-dry, if not aborting = mother dies, then not aborting = murder, therefore, if the mother wants to choose to save her own life over that of her child's, then I suppose that's okay.
But if you willingly lay down with a guy, and wake up pregnant, you have no fucking sympathy from me. Okay? So take all your "insenstivity" and "misogyny" bullshit somewhere else, unlike you I actually have moral prinicples (rather than "oh this isn't too convenient for me k"). It's called personal responsibility, and like typical delusional CNN watching left-wing liberal fuckwads, personal responsibility seems utterly irrelevant to you.
Also, fuck this "you're not a woman you can't say anything" well, if you're potentially killing a person, I as a human being have a right, and an obligation to say something.
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Yes, yes, better than you killing the baby. I fucking mean that. If you're pregnant seriously leave it on a doorstep, or better, take it to an emergency pregnancy center (of course a lot of those have religious affiliation but you'd rather let your baby live than worry about that...oh wait).
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okay, "irrational hatred of religion much"? Everything > Death. Basic principle of the universe.
You really hate sex, but sex needn't have to lead to babies, even if it leads to pregnancy. You didn't even bother to make an argument, you just spewed venom about sex and "be a man" bullshit.
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